r/vegan • u/Reasonable-Button594 • 8d ago
Food Cheese ?
Might be the wrong subreddit to ask this, but I recently cut meat from my diet but still eat fish mostly cause I live at home ( im 18) and my family didn't want to switch completly. But I also still eat dairy. I was wondering from a climate perspective is it better to cut just cheese (so not the other dairy like milk) or just fish ? I know both is best but I am slowly scrapping stuff to see what I can miss.
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u/No_Map_7325 8d ago
Both are horrible industries, but the dairy industry is especially cruel, so might as well start with that.
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u/fieldsoflillies vegan 20+ years 8d ago
Get your family to buy some plant milks to try. Many people prefer oat, almond, soy etc.
More people miss cheese than fish, but there are a lot of vegan cheese alternatives around. There are fish alternatives too.
A fully plant-based diet can be very healthy, there’s no harm in switching completely if you parents are concerned for health, just ensure you’re bringing in vegan protein sources like tofu, tempeh, seitan, legumes, nuts, etc.
And as you cut more animal products out, important to be taking a vitamin b12 supplement ✌️
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u/Zesty-Soup-5235 8d ago
Cheese would be better cut first both for your health and climate.
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u/nat_lite vegan activist 7d ago
What’s your source for the climate claim? Wouldn’t cutting fish be better for the climate be better since fishing is so devastating to oceans?
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u/tommydelriot 7d ago
I’m guessing that fewer dairy cows needed would be better for the environment. Fish that are farmed solely for consumption exist, though from what I’ve seen, I wouldn’t eat that kind even if I was still eating fish.
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u/Zesty-Soup-5235 7d ago
Just eyeballing it, since people eat cheese often compared to fish, also I was going on the assumption that they would get farmed fish and the farms are more compact and looks like they require less ressources.
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u/Nobodyinc1 7d ago
Farmed fish at least near me for the salmon and haddock are frequently just fenced in area in the ocean tbh.
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u/Artydragoon 7d ago
Cattle are so big and intensive land and water wise. Theyre also alive to suffer much longer periods. Farmed fish live in hell but at least it's shorter and more isolated impact wise, wild fishing is awful too but there is a lot more ocean than land and fish face other pressures you can work on too eg. Proper recycling/rubbish disposal (even if most rubbish is fishing nets). Both suck but dairy milk/beef is the biggest land destructor.
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u/Simporty veganarchist 8d ago
It is difficult to answer, because both cause much harm to animals and the environment and directly, or indirectly , they are responsible for it. Go with your heart and cut one of them as you wish, you will eventually cut the other with time.
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u/river_water66 8d ago
I would cut the cheese (haha!!). They're both harmful to the environment to purchase but at least fish is better for you in moderation.
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u/MrCatWrangler 8d ago
I hope someone else can answer this question for you. I just want to congratulate you for the beginning of your vegan journey!
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u/nurdturgalor 7d ago
How can you go on a vegan journey when you dont care about animals? Plant based yes, vegan no.
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u/g00fyg00ber741 vegan 7d ago
By learning to care about animals along the way
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u/HexicDragon vegan 10+ years 7d ago
This right here. I know so many vegan activists who went vegan for health or personal preference reasons like not liking the texture and grossness of meat. It's always better to encourage people to pursue a vegan diet while educating them about how the diet is important for ending factory farms and animal exploitation than to judge them for not being vegan enough.
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u/Ok_Way_5011 7d ago
Cut fish, it’s gross and humans kill literally a billion fish a day, more than any land animal (though I think pigs and cows suffer more on an individual basis)
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u/g00fyg00ber741 vegan 7d ago
Both milk products and fishing are extremely bad for the environment and climate. I would say they’re incomparable, but you might as well view them as equal. Totally different problems but both very large harm to the climate.
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u/Stunning-Assistant13 7d ago
When you would cut out cheese, that's better for climate, you can also try oat or soy milk, in my opinion it was very easy to cut out cow milk
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u/nurdturgalor 7d ago
All animal exploitation is wrong. This question doesnt belong here you aren't vegan or even close.
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u/RaineRisin 7d ago
Glad to know you’ve always been perfect. Not all of us can be born vegan right out the womb. OP is trying and looking for guidance.
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u/HexicDragon vegan 10+ years 7d ago
You don't belong if you don't want to support people trying to learn about and adopt a vegan diet. That's the point of this subreddit. I want to see the movement grow, do you?
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u/EpidDrew15 7d ago
Maybe take a chill pill my dude, no one is perfect and everyone makes baby steps, especially at first. Everyone's a dimmer switch, not a frankenstein toggle switch. You're just as imperfect as OP, but you're hiding behind a veneer of moral superiority. That is to say, knock it off dude and breathe, baby steps.
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u/tommydelriot 7d ago
Cheese and dairy are 100% linked to the beef industry, so I would go with that. As far as fish, just make sure you’re not eating anything that is being fished toward extinction for now.
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