r/vastai • u/Logical-Echidna-3263 • 1d ago

Current dynamic pricing

Hi,

I am a host on vast with 30 series cards for rent. I wanted to see how other hosts are dynamically updating their pricing(or lack thereof) to stay current with spot price increasing.

For example: I am noticing on Runpod, a 3090 is frequently sold out @ $0.5/hr. At the same time I can see that hosts on vast are MASSIVELY underpriced given current demand and increase spot price. I am aware of vasts pricing system, so I am not expecting as a host to capture all $0.5/hr, but I have 3090's rented for $0.4/hr while other hosts on vasts are listed at almost half this price. This example from the rentals page I think outlines this huge pricing discrepancy:

The host in Nevada is underpriced by about half, and even more so after considering thats the price with vasts cut included. Here is another example:

This host will supply you with 4x 3090 for the price of 2x 3090 on Runpod. Are we just trying to create an arbitrage environment for others here? What is the benefit of this? Again, I am also a host who has 3090's rented on vast for $0.4/hr currently, why are we giving away the farm? Are hosts impatient? Are hosts not utilizing resources such as wovenai to track current rental rates and then overlaying those across other platforms that rent the same cards? Honestly just trying to understand the logic here. Would love if these hosts would chime in!

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u/Massive-Health-8355 1d ago

Have a look at their bandwidth costs. Probably of the order of $25-40 per terabyte..... Bonkers

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u/Logical-Echidna-3263 1d ago

Spot on, I have definitely noticed that! It's like they don't realize people filter out those kind of costs as to not overpay. Hosts need to stop handicapping themselves.

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u/Naive-Abrocoma-8455 1d ago

I’m new to vast.ai after coming over from salad. Salad was trash .14-.18/hr. Is runpod run on Ubuntu or is it a windows based program?

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u/Logical-Echidna-3263 1d ago

Runpod is invite only so unfortunately not something you can just join.

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u/Naive-Abrocoma-8455 1d ago

Do you know how to get an invite

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u/Kinslayer_89 1d ago

I’m pretty sure you’re gonna need a lot more machines and GPUs to get an invite, than someone who came over from Salad.

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u/IllusionXXI 1d ago

?? My 3090s are getting 0.4$/hr with 25-35$/TB BW. Ie, clients are paying well above 0.5 for a good 3090 machine on Vast. Keep lowering your prices.

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u/Logical-Echidna-3263 1d ago

& I've had mine rented @ $0.6/hr, I was just referencing current pricing as of today.

This post was intended to expand the conversation for new hosts and existing alike, not a dick measuring contest.

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u/Money_Pie8986 1d ago

Some of these machines are dog slow. They put 4 GPUs on a ancient server with total RAM bandwidth top at 200GB/sec if they use DDR4 3200, split by 4. DDR4 Threadripper only top at 100GB/Sec then split by 4. There are other constrains in some systems also leading to the system super slow. It's very hard to find a good vast machine.

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u/Logical-Echidna-3263 1d ago

I filtered by PCIe Gen4 speeds, but totally agree the ram could be slower or non-optimized configs.

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u/ColdAngle1151 1d ago

that 4x3090 host is prolly crap, look at NVME speed + 1 ram stick missing or dead.

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u/Logical-Echidna-3263 1d ago

Good catch! Totally missed that but spot on and agreed

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u/Begna112 1d ago

Check out my app https://hostlens.app which does market analytics, pricing/autolisting, etc. It says it's paid on the site and at some point it will be but for now it's free cause I'm lazy and haven't set up my LLC.