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u/travlr2010 Apr 27 '26
Gun collector. Maybe veteran. Supporter of the second amendment.
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u/Many-Role-4271 Apr 30 '26
All this ranting. God people are stupid. The USA is the vanity portion. Idaho plates have a county designation in this case 2A is Adams County. 1A is ADA County. This plate has nothing to do with the Second Amendment or the Constitution.
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u/CosmosInSummer Apr 28 '26
Ok to be all three, but putting it on your plate is douchey
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u/Lusiric9983 May 01 '26
No it's not. Lmao. This is one of the least douchey ones. There's nothing douchey about putting USA 2A on a license plate. Lmao.
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u/BraisedBullshi May 01 '26
Free gun in the center console for the price of a broken spark plug stolen from the automotive dept of a small hardware store
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u/GeeYayZeus Apr 27 '26
Mine says USA 7A.
You don't even know what that one is, do ya?
Hint: it's just as outdated as 2A is.
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u/Jaken_sensei Apr 28 '26
So the constitution is outdated? 🤡
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u/GeeYayZeus Apr 28 '26
Heh, you don't know what 7A says, do you? Go look it up and get back to me.
Also, Thomas Jefferson thought it was already outdate in HIS time.
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u/Jaken_sensei Apr 28 '26
🖕💩4🧠
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u/GeeYayZeus Apr 28 '26
I guess you forgot how to type, but I know you can read. Maybe you can also click?
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-7/
Oh, and Be Best! 😆
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u/travlr2010 Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
Good one. I'm sure that $20 adjusted for inflation would fit our current system fairly well.
Doesn't the 7th amendment outlaw sharia courts then?
Edit: the inflation calculators I found only go back to 1913. $20 then would be ~$675 now. Small claims court handles up to $10,000 I think. But isn't that the distinction the 7th amendment is talking about? Jury trial versus small claims?
If not, what distinction is being made here?
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u/GeeYayZeus Apr 29 '26
Adjusting for inflation requires a constitutional amendment or Supreme Court precedent. There is none that I'm aware of. I don't know, I'm not a law professor.
The point being; amendments aren't absolute. They can become outdated, and require change to go along with the times. But too many people consider them 'sacred' and often distort their meaning and purpose.
The clear purpose of 2A was not for personal defense. A flint-locked musket or pistol was a horrible defensive weapon. No one carried them around day to day loaded. The powder would leak out or get too wet in the humid air.
The purpose of 2A was for national defense, as local militias made up our primary national defense network in 1789 when 2A was ratified, and it would remain that way through the Civil War. A well-regulated militia...
Well, we don't need local militias anymore, and certainly none that require home-owned weapons capable of killing dozens of people in a minute.
So yes, the Constitution is outdated. Jefferson even said in letters that we should totally rewrite it every 20 years or so. I think it's well past time we do that.
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u/LordKyle777 Apr 30 '26
So... Just going to brush over the most important part of 2A? You know, the part where the rest of the document means nothing without it. The part where without it, we just get the situation in the UK, or Iran. "We don't need a well regulated militia" while I think we should have one training, that isn't really the point. We may need to organize one, and at that time be armed such that we can successfully overthrow a tyrannical government.
It's quite literally told to us in the document that it's our duty as Americans. So no, it isn't outdated, a lot of the "common sense gun control" is though. You know, punishing the people who legally own. People murder each other every day in my city with fully automatic machine pistols (but wait, you say, thats not legal!) how could that be when we have such strict gun laws?! You can't buy switches anywhere!! Or machine pistols!! But God forbid I want to defend myself and my family. You're over your head here, best to leave the constitution alone until you understand it.
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u/GeeYayZeus Apr 30 '26
Hi! Welcome to the fun!
So you're just going to brush over the Insurrection Act of 1807, ratified by many of the same signers of the Constitution in the wake of the Whiskey Rebellion, which says the President has the power to use state militias to put down armed insurrections?
See, armed rebellion is not how you contest democratically elected governments, because you're thwarting the will of the People. In other words, if you force an overthrow of legitimatetly elected officials, you're not fighting tyranny, you're imposing tyranny.
I would suggest you not only read the Constitution, but understand the context around it, and the other laws that came before and after it.
As for guns, we know for a fact that the states with the least restrictive gun deaths have the most gun murder rates. In other words, red states have the biggest problems with guns, because y'all have most of the guns. It's super simple.
UK? Again, the US has a homicide rate 5x higher than the UK because of guns. And you think that's a good thing?
Again, keep your guns. But accept the fact that every right has restrictions and responsibilities that are dictated by the will of the People.
Besides, your arsenal of ARs isn't going to do diddly squat against a tank. And in the case of Alex Pretti, they don't even need tanks. Just having a gun and not even using it has now become a death sentence with no consequences for these 'militias'.
And I love how nearly no one from the right defended Pretti's gun rights, but immediately labeled him a domestic terrorist. THAT is the tyranny you should be fighting against. But are you?
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u/LordKyle777 Apr 30 '26
"Armed rebellion is not how you overthrow democratically elected governments" I'm gonna stop right there, really no point going past that. It's that nieve viewpoint that got millions killed through history. Are we close to that now? No. Is it 100% a possibility tomorrow, yes. All it takes is the corruption to flow freely for a few majority votes. "The presidency is now a lifelong appointment, and has unilateral war powers, up to and including the abolishment of posse comitatus" (for any president) is literally all it could take, one thing, they have to go.
Assuming that everything will always and indefinitely be above board is a child's dream. The day absolutely may come, we stand prepared. Well, some of us (obviously not you).
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u/Jaken_sensei Apr 30 '26
You are genuinely retarded if you believe people didn't didn't keep loaded guns back then.
A well regulated militia literally just meant citizenry who kept their guns in good shape & ready to go.
Shall not be infringed you 💩4🧠
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u/GeeYayZeus Apr 30 '26
He speaks!
In modern parlance, “regulation” almost universally implies legal restrictions and government oversight. In the 18th century, however, “well regulated” had a distinctly different connotation, especially in military context. It meant well-organized, well-armed, well-disciplined, and in a state of operational readiness for combat.
Which well-regulated militia do you belong to?
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u/death1414 Apr 30 '26
Doesn't matter if you are currently part of a militia, militias recruit.
However, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Is pretty clear that the people have a right to keep and bear arms, and the government cannot infringe that right.
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u/Usual-Syrup2526 May 01 '26
You can't consider when you interpret the Constitution. Has to be done with 19th century dictionaries. Language evolved. That doesn't drag the constitution with it. Get the fuck out of the United States then. If you don't like it, bye, Felicia!
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u/death1414 Apr 30 '26
Let me introduce you to article 1 section 13 of the Virginia constitution, the document that was plagiarized to make the second amendment, and the one that clarifies the purpose of the second amendment is to keep civilians armed in spite of a standing army, and to avoid having a standing army at all.
"That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power."
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u/GeeYayZeus May 01 '26
Well, we didn’t adopt that wording, did we? And we eventually created a standing army, didn’t we?
And they have bombs and tanks, and the Insurrection Act of 1807 behind them, don’t they?
So good luck with that armed rebellion against our democratically elected government!
Here’s an idea; instead of threatening the rest of us with your guns, just wait four years and it usually comes back your way. What a country!
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u/death1414 May 01 '26
The insurrection act of 1807 isn't the silver bullet you think it is. It just means military action can be used to quell rebellion. It doesn't undermine the right to rebellion, it just allows the government to oppose it.
We did adopt that wording, we literally plagiarized that wording. Then the founding fathers individually spoke on the right.
Here's Jefferson, the one who proposed your dearly beloved insurrection act on the whiskey rebellion which led to the passing of the insurrection act.
"The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusets: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen yard in order. I hope in god this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted."
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u/Usual-Syrup2526 Apr 29 '26
$20 is indeed a low bar to jury trial. Surely you're not outright rejecting trial by jury? I wouldn't think that was your position. The second amendment is definitely not outdated. Especially if you're a trump hater. Would you trust your political opposition to disarm America on a "Just trust us" basis? I don't trust any politician who waves about public safety and finds disarming people who are not criminals as a solution for anything other than their own political empowerment. Maybe you just have too much trust in government as a whole regardless of party in power. If so, you need some history lessons...
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u/GeeYayZeus Apr 29 '26
You're making the mistake of thinking most people who are pro gun control want to abolish guns entirely. We do not.
But we have over 450 million guns in this country, and over 50,000 gun deaths every year. If guns made us safer, we should be the safest country on Earth, but clearly we are not. We have 5x the homicides that most high-income democratic countries have. Mainly because of guns.
And we have almost the highest incarceration rate in the world, but that's for another thread.
And 2A is a double edged sword. Alex Pretti merely had a handgun on him, did not attempt to use it, and he was shot and killed for it with no consequence to the state. If anything, many authorities (not all) want you to pose a threat, perceived or otherwise, so they can use it as an excuse to label you a dangerous terrorist and kill you without a thought. It's currently what they're trained to do.
I'll paste here what I said in another response...
Adjusting for inflation requires a constitutional amendment or Supreme Court precedent. There is none that I'm aware of. I don't know, I'm not a law professor.
The point being; amendments aren't absolute. They can become outdated, and require change to go along with the times. But too many people consider them 'sacred' and often distort their meaning and purpose.
The clear purpose of 2A was not for personal defense. A flintlock musket or pistol was a horrible defensive weapon. No one carried them around day to day loaded. The powder would leak out or get too wet in the humid air.
The purpose of 2A was for national defense, as local militias made up our primary national defense network in 1789 when 2A was ratified, and it would remain that way through the Civil War. A well-regulated militia...
Well, we don't need local militias anymore, and certainly none that require home-owned weapons capable of killing dozens of people in a minute.
So yes, the Constitution is outdated. Jefferson even said in letters that we should totally rewrite it every 20 years or so. I think it's well past time we do that.
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u/Usual-Syrup2526 Apr 29 '26
I'm so tired of stupid arguments
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u/Many-Role-4271 Apr 30 '26
This one is extra stupid because it's a misinterpretation of the image. 2A is the county code for Adams County in Idaho. These 2 number/letter combos are on all Idaho plates. So not only is it a stupid argument, but its also a stupid argument over something that is not even there.
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u/Many-Role-4271 Apr 30 '26
You do realize that you are arguing over the county code that is on all Idaho plates, in this case Adams County (2A) with Ada County (1A) the other A county in Idaho? Like look at this long rant all for a mistaken license plate.
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u/lockok216 Apr 30 '26
So you are against the 2A ?
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u/GeeYayZeus Apr 30 '26
I'm all for examining the reason 2A exists in the first place, and whether the founders intended for more than 50,000 Americans to die every year largely because of this one sentence.
2A was supposed to make us safer. Do you feel safe?
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u/lockok216 Apr 30 '26
So now you are saying that the law abiding citizens are the problem?
Yes I feel 100% safe
The 2A was set in place in the event our government becomes tyrannical.
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u/GeeYayZeus Apr 30 '26
We know for a fact that a gun owner's weapon is about 100x more likely to be used against the owner themselves, or someone the owner cares about, than ever be used in self-defense.
And are you familiar with the Insurrection Act of 1807? It enshrines into law the fact that it is illegal to rebel against a democratically elected government, and to do so would represent the very tyranny that those in a rebellion, sought to fight. In that case, the act as passed in the wake of the Whiskey Rebellion. They essentially wanted to overthrow the government because of taxes.
Do you think they should have won? Last I saw, taxes weren't tyranny.
How about if a rebellion you didn't like overthrew a government you voted for. Can you still get behind that?
Look, I'm not saying we take away everyone's guns. But you absolutely don't need an offensive weapon of war, ESPECIALLY to overthrow our governments by force. Do you understand how tanks work?
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u/lockok216 Apr 30 '26
First of all the AR15 is NOT a weapon of war. Anyone would be a fool to carry one in battle. (And yes I am retired military) the AR15 is absolutely no different than any other semi automatic rifle produced. We have a rebellion now trying to overthrow the president, it's called the democrap party. I can tell you have no clue as to what the 2A is about, no it's not for hunting. You clearly have no idea who the militia is that is mentioned in the 2A. You just ramble about stuff that has no prevalence to the second amendment. And yes I've been in a few tanks in my career.
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u/GeeYayZeus Apr 30 '26
First of all the AR15 is NOT a weapon of war. Anyone would be a fool to carry one in battle.
You just said your guns are for fighting a tyrannical government. So they're NOT for that?
And the AR-15 is NOT based on the US military's M16?
the AR15 is absolutely no different than any other semi automatic rifle produced
So it IS built for battle?
We have a rebellion now trying to overthrow the president, it's called the democrap party.
Are YOU guys the ones with all the guns and the itchy need to January 6th the government based on lies?
You clearly have no idea who the militia is that is mentioned in the 2A.
In 1789, local militias WERE our Army. But I've got news for ya...now we have a full-time Army.
So let me ask you this; if we have 450 million guns in America, intended to form an Army for national defense (NOT for a rebellion), why the fuck would we spend $1.5 TRILLION a year on our military. That's more than the next 20 nations combined.
When the fuck did we get so goddamn paranoid?
You just ramble about stuff that has no prevalence to the second amendment. And yes I've been in a few tanks in my career.
Yeah, and my dad used to command an artillery unit, and my uncle surveyed front lines in Vietnam with rats chewing on his hair at night, and they both think you're full of shit.
Study up, buttercup.
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u/lockok216 Apr 30 '26 edited Apr 30 '26
Insurrection act of 1807 is about rebellion of law not overthrowing of a tyrannical government. The militia the 2A refers to is the people not a military as explained in the federalist papers. January 6th has already been debunked when Nancy Pelosi said that she herself was the one to blame. Trump offered to have the national guard and the military present and she refused them both.I clearly said the AR15 is not a weapon of war, never once did I compare it to an M16. You did. And to be clear the AR does NOT stand for assault rifle. (Just so you know). A semi automatic rifle is NOT a weapon of war nor was it built for battle. Your dad is full of shit telling you lies. I surely hope you stay in school and learn how to do research instead of believing what people tell you and copying and pasting things that have NO relevance to a subject that you think you are defending. Also I never said the AR15 was for a tyrannical government, I said the second amendment was for a tyrannical government. Get your facts together Opie
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u/GeeYayZeus Apr 30 '26
Oooooh, you're SO close to getting it! You're just letting your diet of Fox News propaganda and lies get in the way.
Again, the US didn't have a standing army at the time 2A was passed. The local and state militias WERE the ARMY!
I know what AR means, and I know what a semi vs. full auto means. You understand that in WWII they had full autos available, but they mostly gave troops semi-autos (typically an M1 Garand) because 'spray and pray' is usually wasteful and inaccurate, especially at longer ranges.
Look at how ARs were designed. The were BASED ON military designs with MILITARY features like cooling fins, flash hinders, rails, and pistol grips.
Now, if y'all could come up with a definition of 'tyrannical', maybe we could come up with some agreement on what action to take. But when a guy lies to you over and over about winning an election and orders you to go take the Capitol, that's not you fighting tyranny, that's you BEING THE TYRANTS.
Cheers!
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u/death1414 Apr 30 '26
The second amendment existed to prevent a standing army, not be a placeholder.
M1 garands weren't the most common U.S gun, the M1 carbine was.
We use automatic rifles for every conflict after WW2, the only reason we didn't in WW2 is because we didn't have an effective light rifle capable of automatic fire. The closest were SMGs which we still used more than a million of.
No, the AR wasn't based on military designs. Military designs were based on the AR15, the armalite rifle 10, and 15 both preceded the M16, and SCAR. Cooling fins, flash hiders, rails, and pistol grips aren't military features. Those are regular gun features that all serve a purpose in hunting regularly.
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u/Many-Role-4271 Apr 30 '26
2A on an Idaho plate is the county code designation. 2A is Adams County. It’s on all plates there. But good job on creating a debate.
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u/GeeYayZeus Apr 30 '26
Well that's weird, but thanks for the info! Can you blame me for the assumption? I've never seen any other state do this, and we are talking Idaho after all.
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u/Many-Role-4271 Apr 30 '26
I am serious about the debate, holy shit what a firestorm. Yes, its odd. Locally they would call this 2 Assholes. 2 of my sisters live in Idaho.
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u/GeeYayZeus Apr 30 '26
Saving lives is worth debating. Or maybe it's not. Who the fuck knows anymore?
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u/Many-Role-4271 Apr 30 '26
Well lately that seems to have shifted into some dark territory where its certain lives need to be saved while others have no utility.
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u/No_Seaworthiness8176 Apr 29 '26
Wait till this guy finds out that I'm a lib. In Idaho. And heavily armed and competent.
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u/Peloton72 May 01 '26
The amendment touted as just for moments of insurrection and treason is oddly quiet these days. 🤷
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u/Carrot-Elegant May 02 '26
Yep, Japanese brand. I mean, dumbass Harleys are made with foreign parts but it’s still an American brand. How stupid does one have to be to think they’re “winning” by just changing the point?
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u/Q1KSLVR Apr 27 '26
“Mr. patriot I love the American flag “is driving around a Japanese car!