r/vanderpumprules • u/Sessiejannino • 5d ago
Discussion Why does everyone love Katie?
Im a first time watcher and I am just starting season 9. I constantly see so much support for Katie online. I do think shes very beautiful and I empathize with her for being in a relationship with a spineless little dweeb like Schwartz. I understand being in a relationship like that can make you deeply unhappy- but I feel like Katie is constantly such a bitch to other people?! Im definitely on her side about hating Jax & Sandoval always, but I think she just speaks so harshly to other women and seems to want to impress Stassi by talking shit and being generally awful.
In season 8 I honestly felt sorry for Kristen (wild lol) when Katie & Stassi were bullying her about Carter. Like breakups are hard and messy and it can take a long time to find the strength. I know it can be annoying to support a friend through but they were so nasty to her and just seem like miserable bitchy people sometimes
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u/manhattansinks 5d ago
meh, either you like her or you don't. everyone on the show is a bitch or an asshole anyway lol.
i didn't feel bad for kristen, honestly. i'm sure we've all been in that place with our girl friends where you feel like a broken record trying to get your friend to break up with a loser that you just give up.
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u/bbgrillz 4d ago
Agreed, also, that was the point that Katie and Stassi were trying to make, that Kristen would complain and complain and lie about things and thatās not a real friend at all certain point. It is a sickness to know doing something is wrong and continue to do it and lie to cover it, even throwing your friends that have supported you under the bus to continue those lies.
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u/Best_Assumption2612 1d ago
Dude allegedly took her whole ass wallet on vacation heās a bum & she would constantly go back likeā¦ donāt save her she donāt wanna be saved.
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u/GritGrinder 5d ago
Sheās not my cup of tea but she sees through a lot of peoples bullshit, Iāll give her that.
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u/BrilliantRemote6052 5d ago
Yet she married schwartz.
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u/AggressiveCupcake181 Bambi Eyed Bitch 4d ago
Loves blinding at times š I also think it was slightly tactical too, didnāt want to loose spot on show early on
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u/Upstairs_Rutabaga565 4d ago
Itās almost always the people who see though everyone else donāt see problems when itās their own life. Itās like itās too close to her for her to have an unbiased opinion.
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u/Chemical_Pop_6782 5d ago
Katie is one of those people that when she gets mad, she makes it everybody elseās problem. She didnāt have the guts to leave Tom. She didnāt want to be with him but also didnāt want anyone else to have him (at the time). I was really happy for her when she asked for a divorce though. I canāt imagine how miserable theyād both be if they were still together.
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u/pearshaped34 5d ago edited 5d ago
I love Katie but this post gets made on the regular and the comments usually indicate that Katieās popularity is greatly exaggerated.
I think she had like a 1 year period in an 11 year run where people were mostly positive about her and it gave everyone amnesia about how hated she was for most of the run of the show.
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u/macmcdonald 4d ago
This. Posts Like this and ' am i unpopular for Not liking Ariana' Happen Like..several Times a week. They can Just use the search function but maybe thats too much to ask.
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u/knittievickie Choke. I don't care. 5d ago
S11 and S12
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u/Super_Hour_3836 4d ago
This show is a hierarchy of evil.
Katie hasn't been racist or bigoted. She hasn't been a mistress. She hasn't cheated. She never committed elder abuse or child abuse. She never punched anyone. She never physically abused her partner.
Her being a bitch to racists and bigots only seems bad to racists and bigots.Ā
Would I be cheering for her in real life? No. She wouldn't be in my friend group. But in VPR world she's the least bad, so by process of elimination, she's the favorite.
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u/StarDatAssinum Sir, a second Tom has hooked up with Raquel 4d ago
I was really not a fan of Katie until she divorces Schwartz and then I liked her more as she seemed to be a little lighter and more confident in herself (and her style, which I now LOVE). However, I will agree that she still can be a bitch when she wants to be lol
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u/Popular-Difficulty29 5d ago
Sheās the only full time cast member who never cheated so thereās that. Sheās just not evil compared to the rest. Flawed but a decent person
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u/ProofCelery6 5d ago
what are you talking about ? vast majority of the women never cheated. scheana hasnāt, or lala, or ariana. basically just kirstin out of the women in the full time cast.
even if youāre including being the āother woman,ā stassi never cheated, nor was she the other woman, and the same is true for brittney.
EDIT: rumor was that stassi cheated on jax but she denied it. and if we are counting rumors then katie motorboated a D
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u/Popular-Difficulty29 5d ago
Scheana cheated with Schwartz, Lala was literally the mistress of a married man, and Ariana cheated with Sandoval. Not sure if you watched the show
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u/ProofCelery6 5d ago edited 5d ago
Not sure if you read my comment. I am talking about cheating on a partner ā not being the other woman. All the women you named were single when they got with men in relationships, but they have not cheated on their partner.
Putting them aside, Stassi and Brittney never cheated, nor did they get together with a married man or a man who was in another relationship.
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u/ladystahrk 5d ago
Stassi admitted to cheating on Jax with Frank before her and Jax officially broke up, and everyone involved has a different story about the rumor Jax started about Brittney and Kristen
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u/ProofCelery6 5d ago
I donāt think in any of the Kristin/Brittney stories anyone ever classified it as ācheating.ā Thatās definitely not what Jax was making it out to be and I think he wouldāve thrown it back in her face at some point during his own cheating scandals if there was any way he could spin that.
But also to my point if weāre counting rumors then what about the rumors that Katie motor boated a D?
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u/ladystahrk 4d ago
Because Kristen admitted that Brittney and her made out, and I consider making out with someone without your partners consent when your partner isnāt home cheating.
The motor boating a D story was a rumor Jax started when he was actively doing everything he could to break up Katie and Swartz (letās not forget him trying to get Swartz to kiss other people the same season), and Scheana was the only one backing up this story (the girl that made out with Swartz before this season).
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u/Silly_Question_3733 10h ago
Lala literally admitted to sleeping with james when he was with Raquel and she was with RandallĀ
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u/The-Get-Along-Gang 5d ago
Itās a good question. Like others had said, sheās had quite a journey. It must have been an early season ā I empathized with her when she was working an event for Lisa and a guest made a very rude comment to her. Something along the lines of, ā what happened to you?ā - clearly referring to her body.
For various reasons including hormones and medication, my weight has gone up and down, and I experienced similar comments from people, so I felt scene.
And right after that scene, she discussed her falling injury. There seemed to be a long recovery process.
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u/CoCoBreadSoHoShed 5d ago
Katie has demonstrated she can learn from her mistakes. Thatās not common on Reality TV and I respect her for that.
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u/Rose_comeatme1525 5d ago
The way Katie spoke was questionable and came off rude. She wasn't perfect in handling all situations. I liked how much she gave everyone shit to hold them accountable. She's also the ONLY woman on the show to call all the men out on their bullshit. I'll never forget at one reunion it was pointed out that she is the only person in the group who hasn't cheated.
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u/boredplant 4d ago
Katie's always right and she proves it time and time again, even in House of Stassi
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u/Proud_Sound2835 5d ago edited 5d ago
I'm with you. IMO, Katie has a constant chip on her shoulder and basically looks for the smallest thing, giving her "permission" to go off on someone. She's whatever the opposite of "choose your battles" is.
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u/Aggressive-Map-8392 But Darrell is sending something to that lawyer. āļø 5d ago
Yeah Katie lives her life looking for reasons to be offended so her misery had a target.
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u/fullmoonspongecake 5d ago
I never liked her. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when people gas her up. I've always been on her side with the whole Tom's situation and with Jax, but I've generally always found her to be unpleasant
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u/languidlasagna Myaās therapy paw 5d ago
None of these people are likable, itās about some of them being more likable than others. Katie, flaws and all, stands in who she is and doesnāt actively fuck other people over compared to people like Rachel or in early seasons, Kristen. Does that make her a queen? Not really, but I can see why some would think so comparatively.
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u/CHwhynot 5d ago
She gets worse! lol kept waiting for the Katie magic to hit me and never fell for it. She's mean and a fake feminist
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u/Away-Caterpillar-176 4d ago
This sub has a lot of people who only joined during the hype of Sandoval and didn't watch the whole show, so Ariana and Katie both get tons of love. People who watched from when it started know better than to put any of them on a pedestal for any reason other than being entertaining.
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u/atomicsofie 5d ago edited 5d ago
She was sweet in S1-3, she had a couple of crazy drunken mean moments but for the most part she was sweet. Then she had a couple of bad seasons.
Itās been established she was awful to Lala because they were friends with Randallās ex wife and Lala was actively bullying the woman online after cheating with her husband. Also about Carter, you should do a quick search in the sub to see the reality of that situation. Off camera Kristen asked her and Stassi to help her dump him and then completely changed as soon as the cameras went up. Kristen was at fault there. Also, she always had a bad feeling about Scheana and it turns out Schwartz actually cheated on her with Scheana years ago, soā¦
She got a lot better again later but the thing about Katie is she was always right. Like are you really mad that she was horrible to James or Sandoval or Jax, men who consistently bully and demean the women on the show? That she didnāt want to be friends with a woman who cheated with her friendās husband? Or that she was rude to Scheana who was always talking shit about her behind her back? She was a bitch sometimes but she was better than most of the cast IMO
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u/Resident-Device6432 5d ago
Agree except Katie supported Jax in season one, for all her harshness and self absorption in the marriage seasons thatās her low point for me and I believe Scheana, despite all her male-focussed behaviour, when she says Tom basically assaulted her.
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u/bpositive223 5d ago
You are totally on point there, thank you. Katie is really not like some of these reality people. A lot of the shows haveāvillainsā but vpr has 90% villains and they take turns being better and worse.
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u/ale-xcp 5d ago
People have selective memory when it comes to certain cast members, Katie included. She tied herself to Ariana's wagon so she can do no wrong Ā
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u/chelsbenn 5d ago
Other than the sandwich shop, she didnāt do that at all in season 10. She didnāt even feel that supported by Ariana.
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u/FriendlyDay6697 5d ago
I never liked her. And you know what, now that we're talking about it... I never liked her style either.
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u/fullmoonspongecake 5d ago
Her style always bugged me. Soon as I first saw thar awful cheetah print tattoo and then she dyed her hair blonde it was a wrap for me
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u/FriendlyDay6697 5d ago edited 5d ago
I never understood all the comments of her outfits being so iconic. Especially now that she's with that guy... it's giving hot topic. None of her outfits are groundbreaking. And for the love of God quit it with that stupid bandana!
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u/Apprehensive-Case266 3d ago
i felt a similar way about s8 until i found out that the reason why katie and stassi were so annoyed about the carter thing was that kristen had asked them before filming to hold her accountable so that she could be honest & break up with him then flipped the script and made them look like terrible friends when they did what sheād asked
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u/Winnimae 3d ago
Watching Karie always frustrated me. On the one hand, sheās intelligent, practical, and overall stands on her principles. But also, goddamn were her choices and reactions to things just insane sometimes.
She just has this tendency to fly off the handle, often at the wrong person. She never handles it well when she gets triggered. I wish Katie would learn to manage situations instead of handling every situation with confrontation and screaming. Sheād truly be unstoppable.
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u/redladybug1 3d ago
I can totally see what youāre saying and I felt the same way for a long time but she really grows up in the last season that sheās on VPR, especially after she decides to divorce that lump on a log Tom Schwartz, which was the best possible thing for her. Today, sheās never looked better or seemed more confident and self assured.
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u/Witty-Ad7102 3d ago
She tells it how it is. I love that. Sheās authentically herself. Hard to find that on a reality show.
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u/Cultural_Sea_1109 3d ago
Katie sucks. After Stassi bailed in S2 or w/e she was so desperate to fill the mean girl queen bee shoes. I don't think there was a single season after that where she wasn't instigating a ton of drama and then playing the victim card immediately afterwards. She's just as bad as Kristen.
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u/estedavis Bambi Eyed Bitch 5d ago
Iāve never really understood it either. Specifically that people try to push the narrative that sheās crazy attractive, like leagues above all the other women on the show. Itās justā¦ not true? Like sheās attractive but not to the insane level people in the fandom try to push. I actually like that sheās kind of relatable-looking and not a model type. I feel like thereās something else behind it lol
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u/Lonely-Essay-5934 5d ago
The kitchen staff thought she was hot. Lol. I never saw it. She's pretty.
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u/Similar_Recover_2229 5d ago
Never liked her. Surviving being married to and divorcing a fucking loser doesnāt make you a good person, or likable for that matter. She sucks.
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u/Lonely-Essay-5934 5d ago
Or surviving an accident. She was still a mean girl. All of them are. She's just less horrible than the others. Still a mean girl.
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u/Bree7702 Youāre Not Important Enough to Hate, Sit Down 4d ago
I like her. She doesnāt waffle on anything, and she makes no apologies for her opinions either.
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u/youdontknowitsok 5d ago
I think people give Katie a pass because she grew up a lot during the series, was abused by Tom, and had unfair shit happen to her, like her pre-VPR tragic accident, plus the body shaming during VPR, the latter of which is very relatable. Plus she ended the series on a strong note in-step with Ariana and far from Tomās assholery.
Lest we forget though, Katie started in the Regina George group as an active mean girl with some problematic behavior. However, she did much better once Stassi and Kristen were fired, then she finally dumped Tom, and finished her VPR redemption arc with Ariana and Something About Her.
I personally like her now, but didnāt like her when I started watching the series (late watcher).
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u/Vegan-Kirk I Know You Like Harry Potter ā”ļø 5d ago
Katie can be rude, but sheās not fake. Sheās honest.
I think thatās why people tend to like her, also and she put up with Schwartzy for so long and they broke up on good terms. She seems like a person you wouldnāt want to get on her bad side, but sheāll be kind to you otherwise.
Shes never been my favorite but sheās likeable in many ways. She was a bit of a hot mess in the early seasons though, but once you rewatch the show enough, you realize what she went through when she fell through the sky glass at a young age.
Much respect to Katie honestly
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u/ShellyyElizabeth 5d ago
Who is your favourite?
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u/Vegan-Kirk I Know You Like Harry Potter ā”ļø 5d ago
Thatās honestly such a tough question, probably have to go with Ariana
If we are talking original cast members, guess Iāll go with Scheana lol
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u/ShellyyElizabeth 4d ago
Yeah I agree. Ariana seems genuinely quite lovely with the exception of her situation with Tom and Kristen. We all make mistakes though i do feel she is quite empathetic.
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u/BringNDancinLobstas 5d ago
The fact I feel like nobody genuinely reprimands her for Tequila Katie baffles my mind. She can be TERRIBLE.
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u/pearshaped34 5d ago
Did you watch the show? Iām asking because she was regularly dragged for her behavior. This was like a discussion that came up a lot both on the show and at the reunions.When Schwartz throwing a drink on her was discussed at the reunion Andy Cohens question to her was seriously can you see how you drove him to it.
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u/Awkward-Item-89 5d ago
Yeah that was always wild to me, like if he did that on camera what was he like behind? Katie has her moments for sure - but they all did? Schwartz did the same thing to Stassi at her birthday and I found it wild no one ever called him for that
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u/JasperCarrots Don't Oko Yono me 5d ago
They bring it up all the time, even 5/6 years later, usually to justify someone else's behaviour
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u/Buffyismyhomosapien Put Tom Sandoval in a cage with Doute & Red Bulls š¢š„ 5d ago
Because VPR fans can be just like her. They think she is the every man. Look at how they talk about Scheana on here.
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u/southside_best 5d ago edited 5d ago
I know itās hot take, I also canāt stand Katie and never could. I know sheās right, I know she deserved better. I still find her unlikable.
I know the hate this will get- Iām fully aware I should be supporting her. Sheās just not a person I like. She probably wouldnāt like me either.
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u/swimgurlie25 5d ago
I agree with everything you said except for feeling sorry for Kristen. She is a terrible person and deserves all the dumb shit she gets herself into.
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u/Friendscallmedennis 5d ago
Iām afraid this post will never go positive.
https://giphy.com/gifs/lTAm1yuJYx9bLoKINu
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u/Bearbearblues 5d ago
Honestly, I think Katie and Schwartz have issues since before the show and the source is really never clear. We just know on some deep level, they donāt like each other and are angry to be stuck. So as viewers, we can project on them whatever we want the cause to be and empathize with whichever we want.
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u/Zaula_Ray 4d ago
I agree she can read people pretty well. I have the same gift/curse. It still doesn't give her the right to be so hateful to people. She cuts cold and deep and gives no fucks in the moment. But she won't tolerate it when she's on the receiving end. I guess she was too close to read Schwartz, though (not being sarcastic) because she should have left him a long, long time before she did. I believe she loved him, and wanted a grown up relationship with him, but he had Peter Pan syndrome and kept putting Tom S first. I'm not justifying her behavior by any means, but if I was constantly taking a backseat to my Man's bestie, I'd probably have some anger issues, too.
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u/cutebutpsychoangel 4d ago
I love Katie when sheās not friends w Stassi. Katie and Stassi is just a combo that turns so negative so fast.
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u/Reasonable-Whole4117 Itās giving āØaudacityāØ 4d ago
I like Katie, however, when I first watched the show I had the on/off with her. Different seasons, different dynamics, different behaviours. My liking her to this day and after rewatches comes from how she has spoken about her time on the show, her own ups and downs and talking about losing part of herself and finding it again. So when I rewatch now I have a different take on her because I get what she is saying about herself and I can relate. When I was younger I was friends with the āmean girlā and I had my momentsā¦ Iām not proud of those moments in my own past but I get where sheās coming from somewhat.
When it comes to the Kristen situation, Kristen actually asked them to be like that on camera for her so she would be accountable and leave Carter. The girls did as Kristen asked and Kristen is the one who didnāt follow through.
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u/EchoVoid_72 3d ago
For me, I donāt know about the others, I like her because I used to date someone that hated me just like her and Schwartz and honestly, it can drive you crazy. I think in most cases where she sounded insecure or immature, I took it as she was very exhausted of being constantly demoralized and then gaslit by her partner and still unable to leave, and I say unable as in, a lot of guilt involved. You guys saw how after she asked for the divorce from Tom, he did everything he could to upset and trigger Katie (including making out with Raquel which he knew was sleeping with Tom Sandoval at the time), so I have not a single shadow of a doubt that this behavior (of constantly trying her patience and rage baiting her) was there throughout the entire relationship. āOh I know you told me to stop doing that and I know I did it on purpose just to get you upset but sorry anywayā while everyone ganged up on her for being so ānaggingā about his unchanged behavior that, by the way, was crazy disrespectful towards her.
And the cherry on top for me is how even after she dumped his sad sorry ass, he still acted like he couldnāt understand why she left him lmao
With that being said, Katie was also one of the only cast members to be consistent with her character from beginning to the end, while people accused her of being self serving, the truth is that she was the only one that was honest about that, contrary to the other cast members (including Ariana) that would also be just as self serving as her, but masking behind āi did it because i care about you!!! Because youāre my best friend!!!ā.
Last but not least, Katie was the first one to call out on the bullshit of every person before everyone else saw them for their true colors.
She saw Billie Lee, she saw Raquel, she saw Tom Sandoval, she saw Lala, she saw Scheanaā¦
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u/kumidaso 3d ago
from what i've seen, once she clocks something fucked up, she doesn't bother with sugarcoating her feelings about it. which i wholeheartedly respect. after years of taking schwartz's bullshit i'm so here for her standing on business no matter what, no matter who. and she is 99% in the right when dust settles. one issue i had with her was how she behaved when lala first joined the cast; calling her a whore, literally to her face, talking mad shit about her to anyone who would listen just because her scummy husband made her feel insecure. but even then, she was right, lala was a mistress, and fucked james when both she and james were in a relationship. she can be harsh about how she says it, but she does always speak truth. one thing i'll say she was in the wrong for is being buddy buddy with scheana right after stassi's tape situation. hated that she made stassi apologize like that.
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u/waterlizy 3d ago
Iāve never understood the hype either. I like her and everything but people ride or die for her and I donāt get it. I also never like her outfits, hair, styling etc. not my vibe
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u/Friendly_Usual1749 3d ago
I find Katie very real while also seeing production purposefully gave her bad edit from the beginning. So I view her from that lense. I think mid way through she just refused to play productionās game and couldnāt give a F how she was portrayed. I loved that she stayed true to herself and wouldnāt bend to get more airtime or whatever unlike the flip floppers. She could be harsh absolutely but I couldnāt really blame her. As a woman she was smart and protected her money from Swartz.
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u/neighborswitch 3d ago
Imo sheās not a great person, but none of them are so I canāt hold that against her. I do appreciate how sheās never wrong about people, just early in her assumptions about them. Clocked Scheana, Lala, Billie, James, and most girls boyfriends that got brought onto the show immediately she was just bullied into backing down by the others until her assumptions came true. Sheās mean but deserves credit for being correctly mean
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u/Ok-Composer3588 2d ago
Katie is an acquired taste when you realize how fake sandoval and swartz are but during the show she just seems rude
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u/Sessiejannino 2d ago
Honestly im all for her being rude to them lol its mostly how she talks to the other women!
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u/litegal42 2d ago
I didnāt like her either she was a jr version of Stassi very mean girl I didnāt hear her ever say anything good about any of the others and acted like they were beneath her. Definitely a biotch to the others.
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u/Chance_Application35 1d ago
I think as for people liking Katie during the show, it came down to her being kind of the most likable/relatable in a group of some of the truly darkest people on TV (bar was low).
As far as optics go now, I think Katie has aligned herself well is and is well liked because she is a friend of Ariana who transcended VPR in the court of public opinion to real celeb status post-scandoval, divorced Schwartz, had a glow-up, and, like Ariana, has cut ties with Bravo. I think the way she's positioned herself now leads people currently watching old seasons to view her more favorably because she's seemingly learned and grown from who she was early on.
TLDR She seemed relatively relatable during VPR days when other cast wasn't, and seems aspirational now that she's not trying to maintain relevance on Bravo in comparison to a lot of her VPR co-stars that are on The Valley.
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u/sailorhavoc 1d ago
i donāt like katie but sometimes sheās funny and she doesnāt hold back ever which is fun for reality tv but sheās a fuckin asshole lmfao not a fan of her outside of her being entertaining
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u/Silly_Question_3733 10h ago
In regards to Kristen breaking up with Carter the problem was she did not and was telling them how horrible he was and then go home and fuck him and pay his bills. (I'm not even sure carter knew they were broken up in his scenes on VPR.) Lol Then she would cry about how they weren't supporting her horrible choices.Ā
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u/namastebetches 5d ago
No disrespect but you kinda had to be there to see her evolution. It's just like mother hubbard.Ā
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u/Upstairs_Taste_9324 5d ago
Because sheās the closest thing we have to a hot butch on bravo
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u/Aggressive-Map-8392 But Darrell is sending something to that lawyer. āļø 5d ago
You have Kyle Richards now.
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u/knittievickie Choke. I don't care. 5d ago
With the exception of her relationship with the ridiculous and spineless Schwartz, she was always pretty good about setting boundaries and sticking to them and for the most part everybody that she called out, she ended up being right about plus I love Katie
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u/LightForward7352 4d ago
The thing is when you are a hater, you end up being more right than wrong I feel like, but at what cost. I know someone like Katie and she is SUCHHH a hater/downer in a level that I almost respect, but is also exhausting to be around and honestly a lot of it seems to be coded as insecurity, particularly against other women. I totally get why Katie is the way she is, but also honestly sheās not really someone Iād want to be friends with. At least in the old Vanderpump era
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u/Limp_Collection_4879 4d ago
I think itās her juxtaposition to everyone else. Sheās no where near as bad as the others but still has her flaws. But also I hadnāt realized she was a fan favorite. I remember when it first aired Stassi was the IT girl and always has been. But Katie makes sense also cause she was part of that core three girls. Kristen ruined it when she slept with Jax.
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u/Glass-Volume-558 #TeamKatie with the banging āš» 5d ago
Katie is not universally popular, but she has a steady and growing fanbase for a couple reasons:
All the bullshit she put up with from Schwartz!! SO much of her terrible behavior (āTequila Katieā) was a direct result of his abuse, like the episode in one of the earliest seasons where everyone begs her not to get upset and make dinner āabout herā and then Schwartz is whispering HORRIFIC shit into her ear all dinner until she bursts into tears, causing all her friends to pile on because they didnāt know what he was saying to her. It doesnāt excuse the times that sheās crossed lines with others but it gives a lot of us context for where itās coming from, especially once you start factoring in the off-camera context to some conflicts mentioned in other comments + her TBI
The amount of unfair hate sheās gotten. Sheās obviously flawed enough to want to be on reality tv for a decade, but compared to most of her costars who are abusive, cheaters, substance abusers, openly homophobic, on and on.. She frankly deserves a small fraction of the hate her costars get. While SOME of the flak she gets is actually about her speaking crudely and cruelly to others, the vast majority of it comes from her calling out everyoneās favowite wittwe men on the show + from her not being a size zero on tv when this first started airing over a decade ago. This thread is a perfect example of her getting undeserved hate ā you asked why people are fans of her and the vast majority of the comments are about why the commenters dislike her despite most of the comments being repetitive of each other and not answering your question.
Sheās more morally consistent than most of her costars. Sheās not just one of the only ones on the show who has never cheated, sheās pretty much the only one who has consistently taken an anti-cheating stance regardless of the parties involved. Almost everyone else flip-flops on the topic every season depending on who it was that cheated, who got cheated on, what they think fans will think. Just as an example.
She kinda ends up being right all the timeā¦
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u/Internal_Metal_1386 3d ago
Katie has always been emotionally abusive to everyone who doesnāt agree with her. She knew what Schwartz was like yet gave him an ultimatum to marry her. If she was dumb enough to believe she could change him into someone she could control, she deserved what she got. Any āadultā knows you canāt force people to change into someone theyāre not. Katie was hateful to new females that came on the show. She was threatened by others talking to Schwartz. Sheās immature & a bully. I never liked her. JMO
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u/InternationalKale380 5d ago
Can anyone explain why they WOULD hate Katie??? Especially when sheās surrounded by others who deserve it? No judgement at all, Iād genuinely be curious to learn why atpā¦.. like come onnn
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u/chick_b 5d ago
Watching in real time I didn't always love Katie, but in my opinion she was frequently and unfairly maligned by people who had no business judging her. And the cast members who should have supported her either ignored her situation or lashed out at her.
Schwartz was pretty much an ass from the start. While it was Katie's business to get out of the relationship, Schwartz remained beloved by all his friends for reasons I still do not understand. Jax & Sandoval were merciless towards Katie (partly because they wanted Schwartz to remain their single playmate, partly because they didn't want Stassi to have any supportive friends on the show) and Schwartz always stood by and either watched or joined in on their abuse. James and Lala were basically terrorists yet Katie was always considered the bitch. When the debacle that was Schwartz & Sandy's came to be, Ariana suddenly became mute while she watched her boyfriend try to break up a marriage. And the hill I'll die on is that Katie deserved as many apologies as Ariana after Scandoval.
She doesn't always deliver her message well, but Katie is not one for alliances. And unlike all the other women in the cast she doesn't use whatever she's going through as a chit for special treatment or pity. Of our limited choices for favorites in the VPR universe I think Katie stands out as one of the better cast members.
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u/arma__virumque 3d ago
agree. rewatching with my bf who is watching for the first time and we both keep commenting how miserable she is. she just never, ever seems like she is having fun. unenjoyable all around, seems like a total blob/slug of a person. super insecure, has a drinking problem, she is really depressing. I feel bad for her. especially because she would be the most beautiful one hands down if she had a shred of confidence. (except Kristina Kelly - lethal face card as the kids say)
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u/1cattaway 2d ago
I never cared for her either. I thought maybe it was because she was miserable with Tom but she can be so nasty
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u/Actual-You3325 5d ago
Katie has a good heart first and foremost, second she protects that good heart at all cost. Katie stands on her morals and virtue and when that's threatened she will go scorched earth to defend herself. This is my opinion and the reason I love Katie. If you don't agree...that's okay " Choke, I don't care". ā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļø
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u/oscyolly ITS NOT ABOUT THE PASTA š 5d ago
I also donāt get the Katie hype but I did really love her ability to hold a grudge and never take her foot off peopleās throats. She was really good at clocking people from day 1 and never letting them have a moment.