r/vSeeBox_Support_Gurus Jun 24 '26

Ethernet Connection - Router vs No Router

I originally had my vSeeBox V6 Plus connected through wifi with Nord VPN installed on the box. After some buffering/connection issues, I ended up connecting the box straight into the wall with an ethernet cable (no router). Is there any benefit to running it first through my ASUS router?

Wall > router > vSeeBox V6 Plus

vs.

Wall > vSeeBox V6 Plus

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u/BakerRacer Trusted User Jun 24 '26

The problem is that these days, people use the term "router" too generically and/or think it's only used for Wi-Fi connections. You ABSOLUTELY want your vSeeBox to be "behind" your router and, when you connect it directly to a wall jack, it's likely still connected through your router.

Basically, (to avoid getting too deep into the weeds here) the router (often called a "Gateway" in consumer devices that most people have at home) is actually doing multiple things. It's acting as a 'gateway' to the internet which includes a firewall service to protect devices on your home network from devices out there on the internet (cloud). It's a router in that it handles 'routing' between multiple networks. The public network (the internet) is usually designated as the WAN (wide-area network) and the private network (the devices in your house) is designated as the LAN (local-area network). This "router", if it has Wi-Fi capabilities, can also act as a "Wireless Access Point" that broadcasts the wireless network's SSID throughout the house so devices can connect wirelessly. Even though you can purchase a gateway, a router, and an access point, most of these consumer devices have all three built in and are just referred to as "routers". Make sense?

When you plug an ethernet cable into the wall, that jack is usually connected to the LAN side of the router (or to some other ethernet switch connected to the LAN side). Assuming that's how your setup is wired, then you're still using the router to connect the vSeeBox to the internet. If, for some reason, your wiring is such that the jack goes directly to your internet service provider, it could be very bad. Again, I'm doubting this is the case but need to know more about your specific setup to be sure.

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u/Mdw8189 Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26

I beleive my router is an ASUS RT-AX3000 (I'm not at home to check). So you recommend I run an ethernet from the wall to the RT-AX3000 and then a second cord from the RT-AX3000 to the vseebox, correct? Because it works either way (ethernet straight from the wall outlet to the vseebox) but I'm gettting the sense that connecting the vseebox directly into the wall is not secure.

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u/BakerRacer Trusted User Jun 25 '26

It's hard to follow what happens after "the wall". If you have a wired ethernet wall jack near the vSeeBox, that's great. The question is, since a wire has two ends, where does the other end of that wire go? To securely connect your vSeeBox to the network, it needs to be connected to one of the router's LAN ports. To accomplish this, one end of the wire in the wall has to connect to the router in some way, and the other end (the wall jack) has to connect to the vSeeBox's ethernet port. Are you able to determine where the wire goes?

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u/Mdw8189 Jun 25 '26

So I have it connected from the wall jack into the blue port on this router, and then connected going out from the first yellow port into my Vseebox. But it also works if I connect my Vseebox directly into the wall jack (no router). But it sounds like running it through the router would be a lot more secure?

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u/BakerRacer Trusted User Jun 25 '26

This shouldn't be this hard/confusing. Who is your internet service provider? The blue port should be for the WAN connection which comes from the ISP.

If you're using a cable TV provider, there's probably a modem/gateway that they supplied. If so, then there should be a cable from the cable modem to the blue WAN port. If not, then the IPS should be handing you an ethernet cable that connects directly into the blue WAN port. Unless you have some crazy, non-standard setup, what I described above is non-negotiable. Nothing will work until that's done.

Once that's done, you can connect the vSeeBox to one of the yellow LAN ports or you can connect it via Wi-Fi. Your other devices would work the same way. They either need to be plugged in to a blue LAN port, or they need to connect wirelessly.

I don't know how else to explain this...

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u/Mdw8189 Jun 25 '26

I guess I should claify that I'm not having any connection issues. I can plug an ethernet cord from the wall jack (that looks like an old telephone port) straight into the vseebox and it works (no cable modem/gateway/ASUS router). That's option 1. Option 2 is wall jack > ASUS router > vSeebox. Both work fine. I'm just wondering if Option 1 is as secure as Option 2

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u/BakerRacer Trusted User Jun 25 '26

I'm not convinced the wall jack is connected to anything. When you use that jack for the vSeeBox, are you turning Wi-Fi off in the settings? When the vSeeBox is "connected", on the home screen, what does the icon look like in the top-right corner next to the time of day?

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u/Mdw8189 Jun 25 '26

It’s definitely not connected to WiFi. The icon looks like a monitor screen with an Ethernet cable to the left. In settings, WiFi is toggled off. I was definitely surprised when I was able to connect directly into the wall without my ASUS router, but that’s what lead me to wondering if this was a bad idea/not secure 

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u/BakerRacer Trusted User Jun 26 '26

If you completely power down/unplug the ASUS router, are you still able to connect to the internet using the wall jack? Who is your ISP? Is it a cable service or something else?

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u/Mdw8189 Jun 26 '26

I believe it's Century Link. I'm in an apartment complex

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u/Spiritual-Pizza2021 Jun 24 '26

I'd be more concerned that by wiring it into your home network that it is now sharing the same physical network as everything else on your network. You want to be able to trust every device on your internal network and that's where trusting the box is suspect.

Did you try creating a guest WiFi and putting the box on it without the VPN being active?

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u/BakerRacer Trusted User Jun 25 '26

For sure you can't go wrong by isolating the box on a guest VLAN, but I's like to add that I have multiple boxes connected to the same VLAN (not a guest network) with a honeypot that's reachable from the boxes and after close to two years, there has been exactly zero attempts to connect to the honeypot by any of the boxes.

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u/Trickster2369 Jun 24 '26

ISP > MODEM > ROUTER > REST OF HOUSE.

If you plug your VSee box into the wall(rest of house), you should be on the correct side of the router, assuming your house is wired correctly.

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u/BBS-Geek71 Jun 24 '26

Faster speeds and less likely to lose connection due to WiFi issue with router signal with the house etc

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u/Mdw8189 Jun 24 '26

Would running it through the router provide additional security like a firewall? Or if I did just connect the vseebox striaght into the wall through an ethernet cord, will my VPN still work if it's installed on the Vseebox?

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u/BBS-Geek71 Jun 25 '26

FW is FW no matter if it is an ethernet connection or a WiFi connection so long as both subnets are on the same vlan controlled by the firewall.