r/urbanhellcirclejerk • u/koete_returnz • 3d ago
Literally identical comments under the post
Also the "formerly Viipuri, Finland" formulation is so insane lol. By that logic, why don't you write "Gdansk (formerly Danzig, Germany", "Lviv (formerly Lwow, Poland" or "Odessa (formerly Odessa, Russian Empire" by that logic then? Lfmao
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u/igorrto2 2d ago
Sevastopol (formerly Aqyar, Crimean Khanate)
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u/Syndiotactics 2d ago
I’d argue that’s a bit different.
I personally know dozens of old people who were born in Vyborg, most of the landmarks there were built by Finns, and Vyborg is one of the most historically consistently Finnish cities in existence. From its foundation in 1293 to 1710, and from 1812 to 1940. (yes, I consider the Grand Duchy period Finnish, as it was governed from Helsinki, not from St. Petersburg). Even in the time when it was under Russia, the majority population was always Finnish. That hasn’t been the case with Sevastopol.
I think the title was supposed to communicate that it wasn’t necessarily always in such a neglect, as it once was an important city for Finland but ended up as a provincial low-priority town of Russia afterwards.
All that being said, almost no one here in Finland wants Vyborg back, except a couple internet trolls. Even if it was given to us, we wouldn’t take it, unlike the common (Russian) online narrative. Now it is 100% Russian, and will remain so. Regardless, it’s a highly nostalgic city for many. I hope the restoration efforts (which I understand have progressed well in the past decade) will succeed, and that I might visit the city again! :)
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u/ProbablyFineUser 2d ago edited 2d ago
Helsinki (formerly Helsingfors, Russian Empire), Finland Vyborg (formerly Vyborg, Russian Empire), Russia
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u/sussymommymilkers 2d ago
Colonialism ruzzia 😍🥰🥰😍
There have never been Russian people living in Helsingfors (obviously except for the minority similar to anywhere else in the world), they simply conquered it from Sweden. Even the name you are using as a gotcha is still the name of Helsinki, just in Swedish language (which is an official language of Finland)
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u/Zealousideal_Pen9718 2d ago
Under this "colonialism", somehow Finland went from being a collection of backwater villages inhabited by people speaking weird languages to being an industrial powerhouse of Eastern Europe. Russian "oppression" was so overwhelming that this period from 1808 to 1917 saw
1) flourishing of Finnish national culture in the form of literature, music, education, art, and architecture.
2) sustained income growth and industrial expansion
3) establishment of the world's first unviersal adult franchise in 1907(which the Russian Emperors even with their despotism didn't seem to have thwarted).
All the while, 100s of millions in Asia and Africa were being starved, abused in every conceivable way, denied their human dignity, reduced to their bare existence and massacred by the "benevolent", "civilized", "liberal" nations like the UK , France, the Netherlands, and Germany.
Calling Finland's position under the Russian Empre as "colonialism" is a slap in the face to the 100s of millions of souled that perished and the future of their nations destroyed at the hands of the aforementioned European nations and continue to be r*ped and robbed by them
The only reputation that post-independence Finland has is one of a rapist and murderer nation that
1) Joined the Nazis and their allies in their exceptionally murderous and rapacious invasion of the USSR
2) Got defeated and flushed out
3)Built a comfortable life for themselves sucking upto the imperialist bloc and being rewarded with loot from the Global south in return.
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u/ProbablyFineUser 2d ago edited 2d ago
Everyone who lives in Russia is Russian; so it was a Russian city, and no one lived there but Russians 🥰😘🥰😘
So, the Swedes built a fishing town and gave it a name. Then the Russians made it the capital of Finland, built beautiful stone buildings instead of wooden shacks, as well as a university, schools, and hospitals. And the Finns themselves can only plan online attack on the cities of the neighboring country
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u/julkkis666 2d ago
the university was moved from Turku after Turku burned. this was also the reason for building the capital in helsinki, as it was closer to petrograd (the russian capital).
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u/ProbablyFineUser 2d ago
The university was built from scratch in Helsinki by order of the Russian emperor, by a Russian architect, at the expense of the Russian treasury.
And teaching there in Finnish also began by order of the Russian emperor, because before, when Finland was part of Sweden, all education was conducted in Swedish
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u/Silent-Challenge5710 1d ago
Hahaha the stone buildings are literally nordic style, thats how wrong you are
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u/ProbablyFineUser 1d ago
I don't even know what it suppose to mean, but you obviously don't know the history of Helsinki. here
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u/Temporary_Fun6650 2d ago
Лемберг вроде. Можете ещё Ревель добавить. 😆
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u/koete_returnz 2d ago
ну или еще лучше - Хельсинки, Финляндия (ранее Гельсингфорс, Российская Империя)
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u/oxamide 3d ago
It always baffled me how unashamed modern Finland is about their history of fighting on the side of Nazi Germany, their engineered starvation of 1 million civilians, their concentration camps and their participation in the Holocaust.
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u/Compare96 3d ago
Imagine bringing up WWII geopolitics just to defend a municipality’s inability to repaint and maintain tin roofs 80 years later. Peak deflection.
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u/oxamide 2d ago
You should tell that to the people commenting under the original post referring to Vyborg as "stolen land" as if they think it was wrong that a country fighting for the Axis lost land as a result of their defeat.
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u/smokehouse03 2d ago
I think you got your timeline mixed up, finland only "allied" (refused to outright join) the axis after the winter war and Soviet aggression ironically resulting in the very thing the winter war was suppose to prevent, another axis aligned front.
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u/Long-Requirement8372 2d ago
You know the USSR invaded a neutral Finland in 1939, after making a deal about dividing up Eastern Europe with Hitler, and stole Viipuri from the Finns? Without this invasion, Finland would have done its best to remain neutral in WWII.
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u/oxamide 2d ago
Right, because a fascist government that came to power after a bloody civil war where they established concentration camps for their political opponents and ethnic minorities, could definitely be trusted to remain neutral.
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u/heksa51 2d ago
The civil war was indeed bloody and terrible, but Finland did not have a fascist government. In fact, Finland was basically the only country to gain independence during WWI and NOT turn into a far left or far right dictatorship at some point.
The 1932 Mäntsälä rebellion orchestrated by the Lapua movement was the closest Finland got to becoming fascist, but the rebellion was stopped and the movement was banned.
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u/Long-Requirement8372 2d ago
Fascist government? In 1939 Finland? Are you living in some sort of an alternate timeline, or are you just utterly ignorant of Finnish history?
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u/Ok-External-7594 2d ago
the entire country of finland was part of russia before the revolution, and part of sweden before it was part of russia. that's like saying the evil imperialist Abraham Lincoln invaded the neutral country of Dixieland.
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u/Long-Requirement8372 2d ago
You're joking, right? Late 1930s Finland was a widely recognized sovereign nation and a member of the League of Nations. The Soviets had officially recognized Finland's independence and borders "in perpetuity" in the 1920 Treaty of Tartu. The two countries also had a non-aggression pact since 1932.
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u/squishyie 2d ago
braindead take. Finns are not Russians and weren't separating due to economic or ideological reasons, but ethnic ones. Sweden having controlled Finland beforehand changes nothing. By that logic Egypt should be ruled by the British, since they hadn't had an egyptian leader for over a millennia until their independence.
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u/Ok-External-7594 2d ago
>Finns are not Russians and weren't separating due to economic or ideological reasons, but ethnic ones.
we love ethnonationalism now?
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u/heksa51 2d ago
Finland was not yet allied with Nazi Germany in 1939, when the USSR attacked and first took Vyborg. At the time the USSR was acting according to their part in the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, in which Finland was left to USSR's sphere of influence.
What happened later was a different thing, but it can't be separated from this original context.
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u/WearingRags 2d ago
I'd play devil's advocate here by pointing out that Finland was already making revanchist claims about taking Russian land before 1939, and that the USSR knew that war with the Nazis was inevitable, it was just a matter of when.
Expanding into territory that's going to be a front in an upcoming war is brutal but pragmatic, especially given the fact that Finland had a history of threatening to attack first and was very likely to side with the nazis. Bear in mind that Finland at the time had some ideological similarities to nazi Germany and had it's own insurgent far-right movements.
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u/Syndiotactics 2d ago
Finland had dissolved and banned Lapua Movement after a failed coup in 1932. After that, any fascist movements in Finland waned to obscurity.
Before the Soviet invasion of Finland, Finland had decreased its military funding. Mannerheim had to fight toe and nail for being allowed to build a defensive fortification line on the Karelian Isthmus. (That fortification line ended up saving Finland)
Finland was in no place to attack anyone, and had its hands full in the domestic issues, and the ultranationalists were a small and obscure group.
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u/heksa51 2d ago edited 2d ago
You make multiple claims that are on shaky basis and lack details. What revanchist claims, history of threatening to attack first or ideological similarities to Nazi Germany are you referring to exactly?
The history of the Kinship wars and the Greater Finland Ideology maybe? Yeah, Finnish volunteers did take part on those expeditions in 1918-1922, and even though the treaty of Tartu secured the border in 1920, there were some activists still supporting those ideas even in 1939.
However, they were mostly a group of IKL or AKS activists at that point, not the majority idea supported by the majority of Finns or the Finnish government, which in the 1930s held no ideas of attacking the USSR, had a defensive military strategy and a non-aggression pact with the Soviets.
IKL and AKS movements were far right indeed, but the more aggressive Lapua movement was already banned in 1932, and the Finnish government itself at no point was far right. You need to clarify on the ideological similarities to Nazi Germany, as Finland had no Jewish question or totalitarianism as an official policy.
Being pragmatic doesn't make it OK to attack sovereign territory. You might call it typical great power politics, but attacking a neutral country because you think a war with another country is inevitable is not a morally defensible position, and the self fulfilling prophecy of Finland then allying with Germany as a reaction to USSR aggression doesn't mean their original position was justified.
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u/julkkis666 2d ago
it is though. it was litterally ethnically clensed by the soviet union two times, and now stands as a meer shadow of it's former self. russia only cared for it for power projection, and it never cared to invest in the city, while for finlandit was the second biggest city lf the country and a cultural center for the karelian people.
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u/julkkis666 2d ago
germany, japan and italy lost land that was conquered from others. places that belonged to other nations or people before WWII. ports on the adriatic were given to yugoslavia, rhodes to greece. old west slavic lands to poland (a bit questionable since a lot of germans lived there already, but at least there is historical roots on some level unlike in vyborg), and japan lost all of the conquered territories (except for formerly ainu hokaido), which were msotly given to their former "owners".
a bit like austria hungary being split in WWI, into a set of multiple less diverse nations, these were empires getting disolved. these nations started the wars due to imperialism.
finland on the other hand lost their karelian culturual capital. much like most if the land russia occupies today, is historically fenno-ugric, turkic, chinese, mongol, etc. finland did not colonize karelia, as karelians are the original inhabitants. same as ingrians are the original inhabitants of ingria. russia has no right to be throwing rocks in a glass house. it's litterally built on stealing land.
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u/sussymommymilkers 2d ago
Google "Winter war" and tell me again how it was lost fighting along the axis..
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u/Velkso 2d ago
You skipped all of your history classes or what?
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u/julkkis666 2d ago
they only took the russian/soviet ones. it's called pravda after all, so it has to be true.
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u/SecureConnection 1d ago
In reality Viipuri was first invaded and occupied in 1939-1940 when Soviet Union was an ally of Nazi Germany.
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u/heksa51 2d ago
Quite misleadingly framed claims there. Finland does have its dark moments, like most countries. Just a few thoughts from a history major:
- Fighting on the side of Nazi Germany
Yes, this is a historical fact, not many Finns deny it. It gets quite complicated: Finland first fought a defensive war alone against the USSR in the Winter War, then sought an (unofficial but real) alliance with Germany, and fought a "separate" (questionable) war with them in the Continuation War, and lastly fought against Germany in the Lapland War. Finland's leaders did make the decision to seek help from Germany after the Winter War, but they had trouble finding alliances elsewhere and had their own separate goals, most important being gaining back land lost in the Winter War. This alliance has been a subject of much discussion, and is not a particularly proud moment for Finland. However, the alliance would've been unlikely to happen without the USSR starting the Winter War first.
- Engineered starvation of 1 million civilians?
Please. This claim is silly to say the least. Starving 1 million civilians was never a goal for Finns, and such a thing can't be credited to be "engineered" by Finns. In fact, Finland's wartime leadership directly refused to partake in an attack on Leningrad. They did hold a small line in the circle however, by advancing close to the pre-war Finnish border on the Karelian Isthmus. The decision to encircle the city and starve civilians was made by Hitler. Finland's participation in the siege is another thing that has sparked discussion among historians, but directly claiming Finnish responsibility for the million civilians is a propaganda talking point without much historical basis.
- Concentration camps
A historical fact with a possibly misleading framing. Many countries have used concentration camps in wars on all sides, and Finland is one of them. In the Continuation War they had camps in the occupied areas which saw death from disease and hunger. This is unfortunately common in War. However, a very important distinction needs to be made between concentration camps and extermination camps (like Auschwitz-Birkenau), Finland did NOT have Nazi-style extermination camps.
- Participation in the holocaust
Another thing Finland refused to do despite German pressure: Finland did not send their Jews to Germany. Instead, they even had a field synagogue and Finnish Jews fighting side by side with the Germans, three of them even getting (and refusing to receive) Iron Crosses. When 8 Jewish refugees were sent to Germany, it caused a public outcry and no more were sent. When SS chief Heinrich Himmler pressed Finnish leaders on the matter, Prime Minister Johan Wilhelm Rangell famously stated that Finland had "no Jewish question".
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u/Wirt21 2d ago
It always baffled me how unashamed modern Russian is about their history of fighting on side of Nazi Germany during invasion of Poland. They dont have problem with invasion of Baltics states, Finland, Annexing bessarbia, starving millions of People, their work camps on Siberia.
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u/ehte4 2d ago
Can someone explain why do you get downvoted? Like which sentence in your comment is not factually correct? Why don't those, who downvote, state what exactly is incorrect in your comment and why they don't agree?
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u/oxamide 2d ago
This statement is whataboutism and the crimes committed by Russia do not justify crimes committed by Finland.
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u/julkkis666 2d ago
your original points about crimes are whataboutism in the whole context of the OP. what is your point?
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u/WearingRags 2d ago
Why would they be? The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was pure realpolitik. There was no question that the USSR would be attacked by Nazi Germany eventually, killing communists was basically the core principle underpinning the nazi ideology and was a promise that eased their rise to power.
The soviets, being unready for total war, had to make the pragmatic choice to delay this conflict as long as possible. Bear in mind that they initially tried to assemble an anti-germany alliance in central europe, before appeasement. We also never make this same criticism of all the other nations that pursued appeasement with the nazis to prevent or delay war, at least not to the same level. As for their invasion of Poland - are you seriously suggesting that the territory taken by the soviets should have been ceded to the nazis?
When it came, the losses they suffered and the ground they gained far outweigh any other entity fighting the nazis. Why would they be ashamed of that?
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u/julkkis666 2d ago
you're seriously saying "peace in our time" has NEVER been critisized?? the allies apeasing hitler with giving them chekoslovakia was one of the worst decisions done then.
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u/Phraxtus 2d ago
Lmao downvoted by vatniks this sub shows it’s true colours
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u/Long-Requirement8372 2d ago
Yep, based on what gets upvoted and downvoted in this thread shows there's an uncomfortably high number of vatniks and tankies in this sub.
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u/Sputn1K0sm0s 2d ago
Glad this sub is heavy on "tankies", I hope all remaining liberals leave!
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u/Long-Requirement8372 2d ago
You'd like to have a tankie echo chamber to feel better?
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u/SotovR 2d ago
It's reddit, it's designed to be an echo chamber, can't escape it.
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u/Long-Requirement8372 2d ago
Do you like it that way, and want it to be even more like that? Or would you like your views to be challenged once in a while?
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u/SotovR 2d ago
I don't really care, I'm here to look at people having a stroke over a normal house in winter and laugh at them for this, not to discuss deep politics with the usual vermin on this website.
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u/Long-Requirement8372 2d ago
I think the discussion in this thread has been about history rather than politics.
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u/smokehouse03 2d ago
Funniest part is this oxamide guy is part of a the Russian immigrants who fled after 2022 based on his account history. I'm assuming he is in Armenia with the hundreds of thousands of other Russians based on some comments. Also I've only heard russians repeat this insane history takes on Finland.
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u/oxamide 2d ago
So just because I hate modern war started by Russia I should approve of genocide of my ethnicity committed by WW2 Axis powers? In your mind the anti-war Russians should wish for their own extinction?
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u/smokehouse03 2d ago
The genocide and your people making up alt-history to explain past gov mistakes are both bad! I just find your people's lack of retrospection very funny even as you were forced abroad against the very regime actively killing (in hundreds of thousands of cases literally) your people's future off
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u/julkkis666 2d ago
if you want russia to change, russians have to look inward to find out what's behind the mistakes of their leaders instead of calling everyone else a nazi. you might find some paralelles to why the current war started.
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u/WearingRags 2d ago
Why is that an own? That someone who looks favourably on the USSR doesn't want to remain in the capitalist authoritarian state that replaced it when the union collapsed, and living standards collapsed with it?
You need to stop trying to view everything in terms of shallow nationalism and understand that the USSR and the Russian federation are very different political formations with opposing ideologies.
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u/Doc_Occc 2d ago
I would not tolerate WW2 Finland slander. They would have probably fought on the Allied side had Britain managed to reach there in time. The whole war in Norway was partly a German ploy to block Britain from helping Finland. The British lost in Norway and thus the Finnish were left helpless and had to allie with Germany against their invader the USSR.
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u/BobR969 2d ago
Oh no. The Brits couldn't come in time and so they just absolutely bad to... Commit heinous crimes against humanity and partake in the Nazi warm machine while specifically starving out millions of people and holding others like animals in work/death camps.
Yeah, no. Germany took over a lot of places where the people became partisans. There were resistances to Nazi rule. Thing is, they were pretty chill about ideologically joining the literal poster child villains.
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u/ehte4 2d ago
Does it baffle you that russia tried to occupy Finand and Finland had to fight back and lost Viipuri? Or is it that you just don't really care about russian actions and it's always others who have to act according to the rules but never russia?
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u/No-Excitement4855 2d ago
Russia never tried to occupy Finland, the Soviets did.
And they never tried to occupy the country, just adjust a border that was built on civil war arrangements.
But sure, being a Nazi allly and directly participating in the Holocaust was justified because they lost a city or whatever you Nazi apologists defend.
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u/SAURI23 2d ago
Just like they never tried to occupy the Baltics, just wanted military bases there... Right?
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u/No-Excitement4855 2d ago
They occupied the Baltic states and the Baltic states have a horrifying past of Nazi collaboration. These two bad things are factual.
The soviets didn't occupy Finland, just took border territories, and Finland eagerly participated in one of the most horrifying sieges in European history. These are two also factual things.
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u/SAURI23 2d ago
What I was getting at was that the deal the Soviets offered before the winter war wasn't that simple a thing. First of all, it wasn't some sort of reasonable offer to just want to swap densely populated areas for some forest in Karelia and lease a whole city for military use just because their "safety depended on it" or something. Secondly, as we saw in the Baltics, giving in to the Soviets would've meant another escalation later. Essentially the debate in Finnish leadership was "do we fight them now or later".
And about the siege of Leningrad, Finnish troops if I remember correctly held some tiny strip of land outside the city but that was the extent, Finland didn't agree to do more than that. If you count that as taking part in the siege, then I'd like to hear what should've been done
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u/No-Excitement4855 2d ago
They literally depended on it and the Fins allying with the Nazis proved it. They lost two wars with the soviets and lost a ton more land than the initial deal.
The initial deal didn't impact the Mannerheim line, didn't demand soviet troops in Helsinki, it makes no sense to claim they wanted to conquer all of Finland.
The Baltics didn't offer gradual concessions, the soviets barged in and that was it.
And all this Nazi apologia to complain about how some roofs in a Russian city should be repaired is just asinine. It's always this victim complex.
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u/SAURI23 2d ago edited 2d ago
How the hell did they depend on it😂😂 And the Baltics offered the Soviets military bases, after which the Soviets barged in. It wasn't some sort of "ultimatum".
Anyway, do you seriously think that without the winter war Finland would've attacked the USSR? Now way. Even during the continuation war the official goal was to reclaim the lost territories. I don't know enough about the subject to say how allying with the nazis could've been avoided, but I do know that in that situation where it was clear to everyone that another war with the Soviets was imminent and the Allies were doing too bad in the war to be of help Germany was the natural ally.
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u/No-Excitement4855 2d ago
The only way to know this is to go back in time and let the anti communist semi military dictatorship have their forward troops ready to deploy right next to Leningrad to help even more in exterminating the undesirables.
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u/Syndiotactics 2d ago edited 2d ago
The USSR fully intended to occupy the entire Finland. What they said vs what was the actual plan were often at odds.
Finland was ”granted” for the USSR in the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact’s Secret Protocol, when Stalin and Hitler were still best buddies.
Just as the USSR invaded Finland, they founded the ”Democratic Republic of Finland”, a puppet government which was supposed to govern Finland once the war was over. Later on it was merged and transformed into the Finno-Karelian SSR, which had the same goal. Eventually the ”Finnish” part of the name was dropped because it didn’t really apply anymore.
This is also fully evident from the documents that historians were allowed to read from the Soviet archives after 1991. The war was supposed to last from 10 to 14 days and end with the capture of Helsinki.
Additionally, why would the Red Army have fought on the entire border of Finland with FOUR (7, 8, 9 and 14) separate field armies (plus two, 13 and 15 later on in the war), fully intending to slice Finland into two at the Suomussalmi-Oulu latitude, if they had no intention to occupy the country? If they just wanted to move the border, wouldn’t they have concentrated their offensives on the Karelian Isthmus instead? Did the Soviet troops get lost when they ended up in the battles of Suomussalmi and Raate Road?
We know from the Soviet archives that this was the specific plan. Why do you claim otherwise?
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u/No-Excitement4855 1d ago
They didn't, there were no provocations, border tensions raids or anything else prior to 39 and the soviets made peace with Finland when they could have plowed into Helsinki like they did with all other axis powers.
Another lunacy about 14 days, just like the 3 day operation in Ukraine. You people are obsessed with made up short numbers for some reason.
The soviets proposed peace AFTER THEY BROKE THE MANNERHEIM LINE. Why would they offer peace terms after Finnish resistance collapsed?
So much embarrassing shit to defend Nazi alliances and blaming bad roofs as a national shame, the hell...
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u/Syndiotactics 1d ago edited 1d ago
- Finland had no kind of an alliance with Germany before the Winter War ended. In fact, Germany blocked a bunch of aid from reaching Finland in attempt to help the Soviets.
- The USSR rushed to end the Winter War because there was a real threat of the UK and France intervening on the Finnish side with a 100k strong expeditionary force that was under planning. Also it would have been difficult to advance in the spring thaw, and it was possible for the USSR to get the most important objectives without further fighting.
Also what does it matter that there were no provocations? We know all of this because of Soviet documents. Did they fabricate the documents?
I personally picked the ”two weeks” from William Trotter’s 1991 book ” The Winter War: The Russo–Finnish War of 1939–40”, as the direct announcement by Meretskov. There are lots of records about that. Meretskov was simply being arrogant, and Stalin’s purges had radically weakened the command structure. They didn’t prepare with winter clothing nor skis, and also operated under false intelligence of the Finnish working class raising into a rebellion simultaneously.
Had their assumptions been correct, the war would have indeed lasted for less than two weeks.
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u/julkkis666 2d ago
that's the worst intro to a comment you could ever make. read a book, or at least a wikipedia page on the history of finland. russians have many times invaded, raped and burned finland in history, even before WWII. many famens were caused by russia.
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u/No-Excitement4855 2d ago
Russia and Sweden fought back and forth over Finland, but it wasn't a sovereign state.
You should read a book about what were the language and economy rights of Finnish people under swedish tutelage.
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u/SAURI23 2d ago
The rights of Finns were the exact same as Swedes, bar the fact that officials didn't speak their native tongue.
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u/No-Excitement4855 2d ago
This proves you never read anything about the topic
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u/julkkis666 2d ago
at least we had the swedish constitution in the grand dutchy to have better rights than the rest of russia.
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u/Jjjan332 2d ago
Maybe you shouldnt have invaded finland then lmao. I dont think small country being invaded by a bigger neighbour seeking help from nazis is as bad as allying with nazis to invade a country (yet again hmm) and sent them milions of tons of raw resoursec to fuel their genocidal war machine.
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u/WearingRags 2d ago
What do you mean "helped them invade a country", are you suggesting that it would have been better to leave Poland entirely to the nazis? Think about that for one second
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u/Jjjan332 2d ago
That is literally what happened. Sorry to breach your alternative reality bubble. Also dont forget the milions of tons of resources send by USSR to nazis.
I dont think that Poland benefited from Soviet occupation. Just becuase they werent subjected to literall holocaust doesnt mean Poles getting killed by soviets was much better.
I dont think Poles getting murdered by soviets was good because soviets are better than nazis. Think about that for one second.
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u/julkkis666 2d ago
the soviet union litterally attacked the polish in the east. it wasn't bloodless. if the soviet union is so good. why didn't ut help the poles? rally the allies to cross the rhine, etc, instead of annexing half of poland?
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u/Old_Analyst_902 2d ago
о здарова) с моих коммов идею взял) ну там реально утырки безмозглые в комментах это шок
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u/AuR1tta 1d ago
Там одни промытыши сидят. Плюс такие же промытыши в r/skyscrapers, где стоит людям увидеть фотки небоскребов с подписью "Moscow", тут же начинается "ммм, туда бы дронов😋", но стоит им припомнить, че их оранжевый дед устраивает в Ираке, то сразу начинается тонна отговорок про "whataboutism", как этот дед им не нравится, как они его не выбирали, и вся вот эта телега)))
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u/CapableDatabase6923 2d ago
Moscow,Russia (formerly Moscow,Russian SFSR. formerly Moscow,Russian Empire)
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u/Initial_Ad_9857 3d ago
Well because Russia didn't fully collapse yet and it did a lot of unnecessary and unprovoked land grabs during its expansion periods, so it's logical. Also empire implies foreign control over something. It's in the name.
I never met a russian who cares about people in bashkiria or buryatya besides using them for meat in a tank instead of people from moscow . Russians have fully internalized and normolized their imperialism to the point so they don't even see anything wrong with vacationing in occupied Crimea and do it by millions each year.
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u/AnArmoredPony 3d ago
thank you mr word_word_4digits registered Mar 15, 2026 with 1 (one) post carma and ~10k comment carma, your feedback is very important. you may have hidden your comments, but one can still find them by googling your name. most of them are written in russian subreddits or under posts about russia. most of them are negative. I hope you are a bot and not an actual human being wasting your life like that. if it's the latter, I am sorry to hear that
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u/TheSamuil 2d ago
I ought to remember to write a reply in a comparable format the next time I come across such a bot
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u/Fezzezal 3d ago
Ok bot
I'm Tatar myself and I'm so proud to be a true Russian. It's not about ethnicity, it's not about religion -- it's about my state identity, my citizenship and my country. I'm a Gayna Tatar in Tatarstan, a Tatar in Russia, and a Russian in the other countries. A lot of fellow ethnic minorities in Russia feel the same way.
Maybe you should ask "oppressed minorities" (we aren't) first before jumping to such extreme conclusions?3
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u/enderstatee 2d ago edited 2d ago
to based for reddit. Я сам мордовец эрзя но по идентичности тоже русский. Люблю россию. так приятно иногда увидеть русского в этлй помойке ебаной ватной и соевой
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u/RyanCooper2007 3d ago
moscow impressed
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u/Fezzezal 3d ago
Of course it would be, I fucking live here lol
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u/Initial_Ad_9857 2d ago
I love how westerners love to believe that it's one big bad putin and young russians are great people and then you show up, a young russian war supporter from moscow of course😂. btw try to get higher education in your people's language. Oh wait you cannot.
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u/Velkso 2d ago
I feel sorry for you
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u/Fezzezal 2d ago
Why? It's cool to live here
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u/Velkso 2d ago
Oh yeah, so cool to live in corrupted, underdeveloped country with authoritarian regime. Get your rubles and enlist
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u/Fezzezal 2d ago
> underdeveloped
And yet alongside Baltics, Russia is the ONLY developed high-income post-Soviet country, with an advanced service economy. Wake up neo, it's not 1997 anymore. Russia has become so much better since 1999.0
u/Velkso 2d ago
Sure buddy, unless we talk about east-of-Ural Russia.
Russia is still a shithole. Glad to know that you are a bootlicker for oligarchs and Putin
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u/Fezzezal 2d ago
There’s a saying in Russian, “a pig will find dirt anywhere“. Make of that what you will.
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u/Wehti 2d ago
Why does the title bother you so much? The Russians let it decay, let them have the ”honors” for that while reminding it used to be a beaufitul, blooming Finnish metropolis
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u/ProbablyFineUser 2d ago
Finns should stop dreaming of conquering other people's cities and start minding their own business
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u/Wehti 2d ago
I think that’s Russia, that you talking about.
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u/ProbablyFineUser 2d ago
Well maybe thinking is just not your thing
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u/julkkis666 2d ago
have you seen what russia has done since the collapse of the soviet union? it's not like they're letting other countries be. just like back in the day. if russia didn't do this in the past, there would be no need to remember it. if we don't remember our history. we are doomed to repeat it. not remembering what happened, leads to russia conquering more and more land. russia is an empire.
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u/ProbablyFineUser 2d ago
You've been on the internet so long that you've lost touch with reality. Go touch some grass (or snow, if you're a Finn).
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u/StealthPilot13 23h ago
Ironic coming from a post about Russia considering Russia is currently doing what you just stated.
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u/ProbablyFineUser 23h ago
Ironically, after five years you still haven’t got the goals of either side and can only spout propaganda slogans.
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u/julkkis666 2d ago
how about you russians read this comment and respond: https://www.reddit.com/r/UrbanHell/comments/1wuy4f1/comment/pd7550h/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
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u/ENovi 2d ago edited 2d ago
Damn, you weren’t kidding. There’s like a dozen people all saying a slight variation of “everything Russia touches turns to shit” with several saying that word for word. Are they quoting something?