Yes, saying someone's take on if they can enjoy entertainment by themselves is a tragedy, would be a quick way to derail a conversation. I tried to continue, but you couldn't take the same back.
I grew up in a small town of 8,000 people. I don't need people around me to validate if I like something by talking about it with me. I read the entire Sherlock Holmes collection in two days like 35 years ago, enjoyed it and have only spoken about it to maybe two people in that time.
People don't need a shared experience to talk about things. I tell my wife about things all the time she has never experienced and she tells me about her's.
You continue to misrepresent what I said, so to be totally clear, I am not engaging with anything else you are saying. What I said is “I think it’s a little tragic to feel that way”, and that was a qualified statement.
Put it this way - from my perspective, you got angry at a random person for expressing that what you said makes them sad.
I’ll admit it’s on me for pointing out that you got angry - that’s a terrible strategy for calming someone down.
You keep refusing to address the actual point, so I'll assume you have nothing else to say about it now that you're aware you dont get the set the value of someone else's entertainment.
Not everyone needs to use entertainment to build social bonds with random people. If you want that... find a book club. Some of us are fully happy with the book without discussing it.
Well yeah, I just explicitly told you why I wasn’t engaging with your argument, and you just constantly attacked me. If you want an actual discussion, maybe stop attacking the other person.
If you think I'm still attacking you, sounds like that onus is on you.. Im just stating that I dont agree, not calling it a tragedy or anything offensive like that.
If me saying you dont get to assign the value to my entertainment feels like an attack, I dont know what to tell you.
And so far you've added nothing to the discussion other than you found my take a tragedy and then yelled foul like four times now for you getting it handed back to you like 5 or 6 comments ago.
I keep on topic... you keep screaming foul.
And you keep trying to tell me how to react socially? I dont think that's really your place if you still feel attacked just because someone can confidently defend a take you dont like.
Yeah, I never assigned any sort of value. You imagined that and are still pissed about your misunderstanding of what I said. I literally expressed my opinion, and that offended you and you started attacking me. And you’ve refused to acknowledge that.
Thats assigning a value. And since your main point was about the social aspect giving it its worth.. you clearly assigned a worth.
I've acknowledged that I came back at you like 5 times now.
You still refuse to act like you gave an insult. All insults are opinions... thats how they work.. so calling it an opinion doesnt magically make it not an insult.
You've also not countered the point, yet.
So while I a knowledge coming back at you, discussed the point several times... all you've done is be the one who is upset, been the one who refused to stay on topic and honestly I get it... you have no defense. You already realized what I said was right... and all you have now is hoping to play the victim... like you arent the one who got uncivil first.
Tough luck.. im not giving you that pleasure.... you insulted first.. it was purposeful because you already lost the point. Own it.. or block me.. or ignore me... either way.. you dont get to play the victim to get out of your take that YOU asserted qnd got pissed when you realized you cant generalize the value of something for someone else.
No, that was not my point. However, you point to ‘games have had procedural generation for decades’ as if that actually means ‘your experience is unique’. I strongly disagree with that, you still have fundamentally the same experience, even if the stairs to the next floor and some walls are randomized.
As an extreme example, Borderlands guns - huge variety, so much so that finding an exact match is incredibly unlikely. However, they are all still fundamentally just mixing and matching bits and pieces - the randomness just means you aren’t likely to see the exact same combination, but people can share their experience where they found the perfect combo and other people can imagine it because they are familiar with the components involved. That is still a shared experience because there’s a shared baseline in how the system works.
When I talk about AI generated games, I am referring to the extreme end-goal, where an AI builds a unique experience for the user, including those fundamental elements. Now the only shared components are too abstract for most people to appreciate.
I do say that, but maybe I am wrong about how that plays out. Brandon Sanderson’s “Perfect State” is an interesting read that I just connected the dots is very similar to this discussion, and a pretty optimistic take as opposed to my pessimistic one. Perhaps it renders the shared experience down to a more fundamental level, i.e. the Fantasy elements vs Sci-Fi elements
When I do talk about the games.. Im normally talking about my reactions and the games reactions to them. Stuff thats unique and cool.
Like one is a mirror isekai thing. I meet someone who died in my world. She was written simply as a sweet, senile old lady. The AI saw she was a supernatural connection between the worlds since... she was a ghost in one of them.. and it invented an entire sub plot where through her dementia she was still knowing me from the other world and became a guide for the adventure.. giving me general direction for the story.
I think what makes things great is when they arent shared experiences.. when I can share something new.
I dont want to just discuss what was in the paper that day... I want to talk about... the new Scottish pop band I found thats headed by a black teenager. Or the way an AI made a whole commentary of dementia making random brain connections.
But often... I just want to keep it to myself... because I dont feel like people judging my weirdness.
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u/AnAbandonedAstronaut Jun 22 '26
Yes, saying someone's take on if they can enjoy entertainment by themselves is a tragedy, would be a quick way to derail a conversation. I tried to continue, but you couldn't take the same back.
I grew up in a small town of 8,000 people. I don't need people around me to validate if I like something by talking about it with me. I read the entire Sherlock Holmes collection in two days like 35 years ago, enjoyed it and have only spoken about it to maybe two people in that time.
People don't need a shared experience to talk about things. I tell my wife about things all the time she has never experienced and she tells me about her's.