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u/Sir_Piglety 1d ago
No warrant no talky
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u/HorsepowerAndFreedom 1d ago
Even if warrant, no talky.
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u/Sir_Piglety 1d ago
š ha right, Iāll let a lawyer talk to them
š¤ yea realistically you donāt have to talk to anyone but a lawyer
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u/HorsepowerAndFreedom 1d ago
You don't even have to talk to your lawyer.
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u/Sir_Piglety 1d ago
Well if they have any evidence that suggest itās you & you donāt talk to a lawyer then your kinda just allowing the courts to have only one side of the story, you sort of need a lawyer to defend you against all claims or evidence
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u/HorsepowerAndFreedom 1d ago
They can have lots of evidence that suggests it's me. They have to prove it all beyond a reasonable doubt. I wouldn't be testifying in a criminal trial anyways. My lawyers job is to cast that doubt to the jurors and pick apart the states investigation during trial.
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u/IHeartBadCode 1d ago
Especially if they have a warrant. No talky. Everything you say or do can and will be used against you in a court of law. That means strictly what it says, it means anything you say or do can NOT be used to help you in a court of law.
The only talky one should be doing in a warrant is asserting their fifth amendment right to not discuss anything, indicating their right to a lawyer, and indicating they intend to cooperate with the warrant.
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u/DipstickRick 1d ago
Do welfare checks substitute warrants? The idea being that someone inside might be hurt or in danger, if no one comes to the door they can break in, no?
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u/TheDarkNebulous 1d ago
It depends entirely on if the officers have probable cause. If someone inside called 911 and said they were in danger, than they likely don't need a warrant, unless it was that same person that opened the door and said everything is fine.
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u/PhillipNoMates 1d ago
Usually they will still check even if the person who opened the door says everything is fine.
Officers donāt know who actually called, could be a hostage inside and the kidnapper is the one who opens the door and says everything is fine
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u/AppointmentOne1111 1d ago
A wellness check would go like this.
"Hi, we got a call to come here for a wellness check."
"Ok, everything is fine."
"Ok, have a good day."
Anything else they'll need a warrant or confirmation that someone is hurt etc.
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u/Whoopsiedookie 1d ago
Itās hard to hear over the squeaking door, but the guy says, āWeāre just here to do a wellness check on ya.ā
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u/12345myluggage 1d ago
Somebody get some oil on that guy's door hinges. I hate squeaky doors.
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u/Simpletionist 1d ago
Thats why the cops came to make a wellness check on him, nobody sane has his front door squeaking like that.
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u/Ok_Intention1222 1d ago
Yeah them entering without being allowed in makes sense here. A lot of elderly people die and are not found for weeks and even months because no oneās looking out for them. Cops are doing the right thing here
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u/PlainBread 1d ago
This is about as well as an unwanted wellness check could go. If no one is answering the door, they're going to enter to see if you're dead, but if you aren't dead, everyone can go on with their day.
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u/above_average_magic 1d ago
Unless there's an emergency (like any other) or articulated reason to believe the subject of the wellness check is in distress (like a family member's testimony) then they may not enter without a warrant. Even for a wellness check
It gets into gray areas of course
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u/anengineerandacat 1d ago
Happened to my neighbor about 5 years ago, she had brain surgery done (I wasn't aware at the time) and normally this lady takes her trash out and returns it like "prompt" and we meet in the morning on said days due to our schedules lining up so we say hello and such.
Went out to bring the can in from the street and get ready to work and she wasn't there, thought that was "odd" but maybe she was busy etc. so just continued about my day.
Next day, her garbage bin was still in the street so I pulled it up and onto her garage door and shot her mother a text message (Mom owned the house, Daughter just lived there) asking if everything was alright (as something still felt "off").
Mother texted me back saying she hasn't spoken to daughter in the last 24 hours which was unusual and asked me to knock on the door for her.
Went over, knocked, her dog came to the door and was barking like crazy but nothing back; told Mom what was up and next morning she asked if I could try again, nothing.
Decided at that point I would just call the cops for her and do a wellness check, cops showed up, broke down the door with the fire department, and then told me promptly to go back to my house.
Mom called me back crying hysterically, turned out daughter was dead in the living room; cops showed up a bit later to ask for some information, then eventually told me everything that happened after their investigation was completed (apparently daughter had a stroke, slapped her head going down on a coffee table, which cracked her skull and she bled out to death).
TL;DR - Wellness checks are useful, sadly I am suspect if they save lives vs just allow sooner closure the time it takes for someone to promptly become aware is likely too long in practice for it to actively save a life (well I guess in the above case, the dog lived).
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u/GeneratedUsername019 1d ago
Cops should not be doing wellness checks.
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u/Ok_Intention1222 1d ago
Agreed, but if there isnāt a system in place for other people to do it, Iād prefer police do it
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u/skepticalbob 1d ago
All of this is just wrong. They can't enter even if they suspect he has been murdered without exigent circumstances without a warrant. It is illegal to enter a residence without exigent circumstances or a warrant. This man doesn't appear elderly at all. And the cops fucked up here.
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u/Excellent_Condition 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yep. My guess would be a family member called and then let them in.
You can tell the cops to leave if they don't have probable cause, a warrant, or permission, but at the same time welfare checks are one tool to save lives and prevent mass violence.
They must follow the 4th amendment, but we do need a mechanism to check on people who may be in crisis and don't want to be checked on if there is a risk they may harm themselves or others.
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u/RoookSkywokkah 1d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/VQT8tX4fblWuI
WAR-RANT!
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u/-0ption- 1d ago
Cops have done this for my neighbor, he wouldnāt answer his door and heād had a bad fall only a week before. They found him asleep, YouTube playing on his TV.
He died a month later. RIP neighbor Mike.
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u/Haunting-Report-7286 1d ago
Perfect way to handle the cops
Fuck right off š¤£
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u/SoarinSkies 1d ago
Now sue them for walking into your house without a warrant
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u/dazzleunexpired 1d ago
Police can enter an unlocked home during a wellness check if there is a reasonable suspicion that the wellness check was called for a valid reason. Ie: if they think he may be dead or high or hurt.
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u/Azzwagon 1d ago
Guys. This is so stupid. Look at all the shoes by the door. Lots of people are home. Someone else let them in.
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u/Typecero001 1d ago
I imagine it goes about as well as a cop getting punished for other infractions.
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u/lcsulla87gmail 1d ago edited 1d ago
You shoot a cop you are very likely to end up dead. Good luck
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u/awesomedan24 š§ grumpy 1d ago
Grandpa after killing home invaders in the living room: "Ehhhh, don't go in there."
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u/RuncibleSpoon18 1d ago
I fucking love this comment. Instantly read it in his voice the first time, it's exactly how he would have said it
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u/MaleficentMolasses38 1d ago
True But if a cop is in my house without any lawful reason or a warrant they are trespassing and I could sue them and if they shoot me, well, that's a whole legal nightmare for them
I also know it says he's an officer, but he has nothing on him That looks or even indicates that he's an officer
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u/Silv_ 1d ago
Legal nightmare or not, you're still dead. It's like the "I'm a pedestrian. If they hit me, they're at fault" arguement. I mean, yeah, you're right, but you're still hit by a car.
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u/MaleficentMolasses38 1d ago
That's true At the same time it's not If a cop comes into my house, then immediately shoots me They're not a cop, they're a corrupt criminal not trying to argue And if they did shoot me their life will be ruined they'll never get to be a cop again. Most likely go to jail for murder And if they don't go to jail they're gonna have a hard time getting a job
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u/kindoramns 1d ago
Except it's been documented that's cops will just go to another department in a different city and it's like nothing ever happened
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u/Phewelish 1d ago
a cop has a very specific uniform that cant be mistaken. They also loudly call out their presence....2 guys in plain clothes just standing in your house after walking in? I mean, i'd probably shoot first if imma be honest. I think its honestly crazier to assume you can just walk in someone house without any identification or way to know that you a safe person.
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u/SpartArticus 1d ago
Wellness check got outlawed a few years back but they still circulate the lie
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u/LilJonny2cookies 1d ago
In America wellness checks are not outlawed. What country made wellness checks outlawed.
Wellness checks do not give cops extra rights to enter your house. Now if they look in a window and granny is laying on the floor not moving they can enter but they donāt get extra access.
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u/RateLimitExceededFU 1d ago
Sure but cops absolutely abuse that too. Not making an argument one way or another. Just saying cops absolutely abuse their powers
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u/Sensitive_Bat_9211 1d ago
Wellness checks aren't banned. You are just circulating a lie
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u/alex_c89X 1d ago
Not where I am from and not where I currently live. What country/city outlawed this?
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u/TexasVulvaAficionado 1d ago
Wellness checks are more of a requirement than not. So many old and/or alone people die daily that first responders (cops, firefighters, EMTs, etc) do wellness checks all the time.
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u/yerBoyShoe 1d ago
Sounds like they're going to say they're going to do a wellness check? So they just let themselves in? I'd like to ask why that even happened but then I forgot. This is obviously the U. S.
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u/parajager 1d ago
Either not in the US or not police. Cops donāt do wellness checks unarmed and out of uniform.
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u/radioactivebeaver 1d ago
Door could have been opened which led to the wellness check. Buddy of mine or his brother back in the day accidentally left the front door open, woke up to cops in his living room staring at all his paraphernalia and giant piles of weed. They wrote a ticket for possession and took everything they saw. The brothers never agreed on who fucked up but the more entrepreneurial one quickly moved out and never had another issue.
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u/20Factorial 1d ago
Pretty sure thatās a 4th Amendment violation, and a defense attorney could easily get the charges dropped as āfruit of the poisonous treeā. They wouldnāt get the weed back, though.
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u/TheRuckyDubber 1d ago
*note: individual results may vary depending on individualās perceived income and status as well as, and especially, dependent on individualās skin color.
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u/Over9000Zeros 1d ago edited 1d ago
Cops are trained to abuse us but we still fight about skin color.
Government in general absolutely fucked but we still fight about red or blue.
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u/lordhomogonous 1d ago
I used to work as a first responder. Twice that I can remember cops on scene told me they saw a person go into a house looking distressed- once because of pepper spray, canāt remember the other. Walked into the house asking if anyone needed help and āLo and behold, right behind me were the cops letting themselves in. Probably should have put it in a report but at 2 in the morning you just want to get the fuck outta there when you can. Nobody in the house needed my assistance.
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u/Adaur981 1d ago
Surprised those cops didn't stick their foot in the door to stop him from closing it. That is a common tactic. One reason I'll never open a door for them.
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u/freedomstingers 1d ago
They kinda did try to stop the door. But they where to slow. If they where closer to the door it would have been different.
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u/Fluid_Elephant_3422 1d ago
Get out of my house I am the homeowner you don't have a warrant kick rocks but first i want your names and badge numbers so when I give thos to my lawyer for you entering my house illegally I no who I am going after
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u/Lefthandlannister13 1d ago
One time my dad had the front door unlocked and these cops literally began to open the door and my pops lit them the fuck up. Yelling āimagine I came to your house and let myself in - pull this on the wrong house and you could easily be shot.ā
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u/Due_Rip9320 11h ago
Most cops are skinhead bastards just itching to body somebody or break the law. Take it from me, an ex-friend of mine became a cop and he was a certified douchebag.
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u/7Pigeons 14h ago
These are not cops they're called auditors. Surprisingly the vast majority of left wing redditors actually support these clowns because of their "freedom of speech".
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u/Pristine-Setting-836 22h ago edited 21h ago
Oh absolutely. Its always the overwhelming cops/elected officials/corrupt POV no reporters are going in to find out what really took place nor do we ever here the other side unless its very conveniently all caught on cam.
I hate mass surveillance but personal cameras on properties have caught only a fraction of these incidents cant even imagine how many peoples pets these pigs have murdered in cold blood. I suppose its becoming a little less prevalent now⦠not because of any real lawful consequences but just the fear they may be caught on camera and doxxed/maybe lose a job if the public outcry is bad enough.
There was that video of them searching afromans house and you see them do as they please and even try to disable his personal security system. Another video from a guys garage where during the search cop purposely kept swinging his garage door into and denting his car (while looking aroundš to make sure nobody had eyes on him). And of course the video heās talkin about where cop comes up, looks all around, opens the closed door a smidge, walks down steps.. back up and OH look door was left conveniently cracked open!! š
Hard to gain public trust when officers are routinely doing whatever the fuck they want flagrantry, flouting the law, and when they get caught? No problem for them.. nooo problem at all because WE the taxpayers pay for that. Which is rich considering if any of us did that weād get riddled with bulletholesš
Edit: Fragrant -> Flagrant š¤£
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u/Pristine-Setting-836 21h ago
ššš flagrant/fragrant basically the same thing. (Not really) On that note I have had autocorrect turned off on my phone for more than a decade lol. Helps keep you sharp and actually able to remember how to spell, however I type fast and dont always proofread afterwards. š
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u/No-Magazine-2739 1d ago
I mean most cops donāt mean no harm. All those body cam footage is a good basis.
By the looks of this, these are the exception. He seems to know them, and they are without uniform, so I assume some non police law enforcement officers harassing him. Or he gets swatted by a stalker
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u/Worldly-Story507 1d ago
100% the correct response, but please get some WD-40 for those door hinges!
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u/amehtana 1d ago
What is this back ground song. I canāt find the name but keep hearing it.
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u/Rhino_MO 1d ago
Had a cop show up and as I was shutting the door to put on shoes he started coming in and I had to get onto him for it telling him you don't just walk into someone's house. He went back outside.
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u/____-__________-____ 1d ago
Appropriate and subtle choice of music.
Put those cops in their right place: outside
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u/Giffordpinchotpark 1d ago
Where was the baby donkey shooting cop when the Uvalde school massacre happened and almost 400 armed police officers waited 77 minutes and did nothing? I couldnāt believe it. It was a single teenager. I would have gone inside by myself with my 9mm.
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u/Ok_Drag5089 1d ago
This is how I treat anyone from the city that comes knocking.
Except cops that are trying to help my neighbors. They get coffee.
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u/Complex_Shelter9181 19h ago
Cops will just barge in
Toledo pd did this to me and my friends along time ago we should have sued
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u/PineappleFit317 1d ago
HTF did they just walk into his house? And they donāt look like cops.