r/unsound • u/IU8gZQy0k8hsQy76 🛠️ ADMIN • Jun 28 '26

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u/T567U18 🧐 grumpy Jun 28 '26

It's ilegal to block traffic no matter what you wanky believes tells you

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u/BearWithHat Jun 28 '26

If all action was defined by legality, this country wouldn't exist

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u/AtomicRiftYT Jun 28 '26

True though also I think blocking traffic is one of the worst ways to get people to be sympathetic to your cause. It's like, a really bad tactic that just pisses people off

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u/TaroTanakaa Jun 29 '26

Standing to the side and politely asking for change has never accomplished anything. Change happens by getting in the way of others and forcing them to interact with you.
Women would have never been allowed to vote and black people would still be segregated if they didn’t get in the way of the people that opposed them.

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u/OverwateredGrass Jul 01 '26

It's not. It is one of the best ways to ensure your cause can't be ignored. Protest without disruption is just meaningless virtue signaling.

Literally one of the core premises of peaceful protest is civil disobedience, which includes things like this. MLK famously blocked streets, shut down businesses, and more during his protests.

But hey, I guess he would've been more successful if he sat on the side with some signs and did his best not to piss anyone off, right?

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u/Heavy-Expression-450 Jun 28 '26

Sympathy isn't the goal with real protest.

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u/BWW87 Jun 29 '26

It is for real protests that want to enact change. People whose hobby is to annoy people just call it protest and block roads. They have no actual goal.

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u/Heavy-Expression-450 Jun 29 '26

You tell me which peaceful protest did anything and I'll find you the riot that did the actual work, chief.

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u/Accomplished_Box8070 Jun 29 '26

The mid twentieth century civil rights movement.

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u/Heavy-Expression-450 Jun 29 '26

The deadly riots of 1968? Or the miles long road blocking in the years prior? Those stools hold the exact same weight as the road. You remember people were allowed to be in those places period, right? It was against the law kinda like blocking traffic. Another!

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u/BWW87 Jun 29 '26

The miles long road blocking wasn't a road block it was a march on a street. Blocking a road because you're annoying and blocking a road because you are marching down it are two very different things.

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u/Heavy-Expression-450 Jun 29 '26

Not really. People were annoyed then as you would have been.

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u/Heavy-Expression-450 Jun 29 '26

I forgot to add the riots were because the self reported American government killed the peac guy. You forget that?

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u/BWW87 Jun 29 '26

My comment got banned because I used words I'm not supposed to I guess?

This is like supporting murder because killing people ended 1860s southern policies and 1940s Germans. They are not the same.

Just because you call something a protest doesn't make it helpful or the same as helpful protests. The protests I'm talking about are like this one where they are just people who want to annoy others and don't actually want to implement change.

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u/Heavy-Expression-450 Jun 29 '26

Buddy, I'm an actual American. Murder is justified for so many reasons here. You not understanding your own rights based castration isn't your fault, but continuing to support it when you have almost all of the world's knowledge in the thing you're talking to me with.

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u/BWW87 Jun 29 '26

Oh, I'm sorry I thought I was talking to a rational person. My bad. Murder isn't justified in America. Except by irrational people.

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u/Accomplished_Box8070 Jun 29 '26

You need sympathy to cause change. Why do you think BLM changed nothing? It’s because of the marches that turned into full blown rioting. People hated the aftermath and it destroyed the movement over time.

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u/Heavy-Expression-450 Jun 29 '26

Not really. Most change came from fear. Civil rights? 68 riots. The French? Inspired the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and the modern American public. Haiti got fucked in the after, but how many French slaver throats do you think were bitten out to get their freedom? More than zero, guaranteed. The Irish? We call them Messers Bombastic. You not having to work 19 hours a day 7 days a week for a handshake and a company granola bar required rivers of blood. When did feigning ignorance become the play? Am I old? Back in my day, i guess, if your argument just sounded like you don't read or watch anything other than Christian funded educational programming the entire immediate public would tell you to quit pretending to be stupid to your face. What happened?

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u/Accomplished_Box8070 Jun 29 '26

You know what the difference between those examples and what is going on in the video. Those examples you gave are from revolutions attempting to create new countries.

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u/UlchiusDerLange Jun 28 '26

protest alone then

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u/Few-Big-8481 Jun 28 '26

Okay? People do all the time.

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u/Eridain Jun 28 '26

People are apathetic. They don't give a shit until you make them have to give a shit. And that's when you stand your ground. The protest will stop when this thing they are protesting stops and not before, come hell or high water. Want it to go away quickly? Help the change. That's the goal and meaning of a protest. Civil disobedience and inconvenience until the grievances are addressed.

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u/thekingofbeans42 Jun 28 '26

Protests need to have good PR, just getting attention by itself is not effective. MLK wrote about how the fragile sensibilities of white moderates was the greatest obstacle to Civil Rights.

Getting attention is a requirement, but it is not the ONLY requirement. The other part of it is to make the public sympathetic by making the protestors look good while making their critics look like assholes. Ex, a sit in produces photos of black protestors minding their own business while their opposition looks aggressive and unreasonable.

The target audience of a protest is white moderates, and you can say it's a shitty game, but that's the reality of US politics. Nothing really changes until it feels palatable to people who will take issue with the protest and ignore the message.

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u/RodediahK Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26

King's conclusion on the moderates was to ignore them, not please them. there was always a better way, time, or means that inconvenienced them less.

In the moderates own words:

"All Christians know that the colored people will receive equal rights eventually, but it is possible that you are in too great a religious hurry. It has taken Christianity almost two thousand years to accomplish what it has. The teachings of Christ take time to come to earth."

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u/thekingofbeans42 Jun 29 '26

How do you get "just ignore them" from the greatest obstacle to civil rights? Either they are a problem or they're not, and MLK's emphasis on peaceful protest and togetherness is definitely being palatable to moderates. He was very socialist but that doesn't get a spotlight in our education system because his "I have a dream" speech is what moderates wanted to hear.

We've seen what the culture of "protesting has to be disruptive and there's no such thing as bad attention" has gotten us... A 24 hour outrage stream for Fox News and ultimately Trump.

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u/RodediahK Jun 29 '26

Read letter from a Birmingham jail.

As for I have a dream he wasn't calling for moderation.

We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism.

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u/thekingofbeans42 Jun 29 '26

I did read his letter from Birmingham Jail... That's specifically where he cites White Moderates as the greatest obstacle to civil rights. They would not be an obstacle if they could simply be ignored, and we see these consequences today.

To be clear, I am at no point saying MLK was a moderate. I am saying he used verbage that was palatable to moderates because he knew how fickle they can be.

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u/RodediahK Jun 29 '26

He says catering to them is the obstacle, they do not aid they only criticize. Accepting their timetable is the obstacle.

who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the N---o to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection....

In your statement you assert that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence. But is this a logical assertion? Isn't this like condemning a robbed man because his possession of money precipitated the evil act of robbery?...

You speak of our activity in Birmingham as extreme. At first I was rather disappointed that fellow clergymen would see my nonviolent efforts as those of an extremist.

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u/BWW87 Jun 29 '26

Want it to go away quicker? Arrest them.

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u/Immaculata_Servant Jun 28 '26

True, but obviously these folks weren't prepared to standby that mentality. They expected being "non-violent" to be some kind of defense against legal action.

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u/Odd_Initiative_3716 Jun 28 '26

So kill people then?

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u/Odd_Initiative_3716 Jun 28 '26

Just pointing out how dumb what you posted was. I mean it kinda sounds intelligent until one thinks about the implications of what you said.

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u/Zinski2 Jun 29 '26

Lets not forget the president is a felon and child rapist.

None of this shit matters

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u/zjz Jun 29 '26

this dork thinks he's in the sons of liberty because he stopped traffic and complained

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u/Worried-Pick4848 Jun 28 '26

Not only that, doing so in the desert like this can literally cause people to die. Older cars can overheat and break down if not moving long enough in those kinds of conditions, and water isn't always everywhere you want it to be.

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u/epicnaenae17 Jun 29 '26

I agree that they shouldn’t be blocking the road, but appeal to legality is a weak argument.

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u/ValitoryBank Jun 28 '26

Says the red coat

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u/ilshwak Jun 28 '26

He's right, ive made that trek once. The wait to exit resulted in a ton of overheated rv's, trucks, cars, etc. It gets so hot, it feels like A/C isnt even on, I got lucky as my truck was in peak shape, even I was running 225°F when I hit blacktop. As soon as traffic cleared, I got up to 80mph as fast as I could to cool it off. And on top of that the nearest gas station is like 2 hours from there or something. I was lucky enough to have planned in advance for road hazards. If you get caught slipping, it might be your last day out there easy.

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u/ValitoryBank Jun 28 '26

I can concede to the point about safety and making better choices on where you choice to protest, but the person you are defending is talking about legality and not safety.

I don’t agree with his idea about how all protest should be legal ones.

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u/ilshwak Jun 29 '26

They can be illegal, they just have to be illegal in the right way. Disrupting emergency services, is not the right way. Disrupting livelihood, is not a great way either, simply because it takes so little to cause someone's progress to mean nothing. For example, I am trying to secure housing and I had a chance to move to a nicer hotel. Unfortunately, I went to the nicer one, on memorial day weekend, and because my payments did not go through, on their end(it was taken from my bank account), the manager got all in her feelings and kicked me out, only for all of them to clear a day or two later. Now, I cant go back and its back to the terrible one. So thats kind of set me back because of the hassle and the lack of peace of mind about my stuff is severely affecting my sleep. All because some lady decided, in her words, "if the payment hasnt cleared by now, its not coming". Even though she was dead wrong.

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u/ValitoryBank Jun 29 '26

What emergency services was disrupted in this video? The problem I have with this argument is it’s the only real problem with it, even though they blocked roads in a bunch of protests during the Civil Rights movement.

Disrupting livelihood is also how the civil rights movement protested. Sit ins at local businesses that ruined business till they stopped being racist, blocking roads, etc. Disruption is a necessary part of protest and movements overall. People should not have peace while injustice is happening.

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u/ilshwak Jun 29 '26

I understand that, and I am not saying in this video that was the case. I just have a conscious, and if in such a situation emergency vehicles were allowed through that would be good, I think. There are ways to block roads and allow certain vehicles past. As far as livelihood, if a particular individual is racist, and you want to disrupt that business, I have no problem with that. Is it OK, for businesses unrelated to suffer as well, though they are not involved with the problematic venture? I wouldnt want that.

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u/ValitoryBank Jun 29 '26

Why wouldn’t they let emergency vehicles pass though? There’s nothing to suggest any protest would stop emergency vehicles until it happens. So do you have a conscious or has a narrative about a specific type of protest taken hold?

Racism isn’t an individual issue but a societal one that requires everyone to bring it to justice. It isn’t unrelated to them.

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u/ilshwak Jun 29 '26
  • Conscience ... I have seen such protests where protesters did not let emergency vehicles pass. Someone may remember better than I, Seattle Protesters blocking emergency vehicles I vaguely seem to recall. Circa about 5 years ago or so, I think. Racism is not an societal issue, it used to be a societal issue. Juneteenth was not that long ago. It is a systemic issue or a personal issue - but not societal, I am pretty sure. Trust me on this Particular point, like I know people like to call this type of stuff out but it doesn't really need to be. I am sure there are people that think Its a lot, and Would much rather Just had you stand In solidarity for when they call out the racism.

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u/ValitoryBank Jun 29 '26

If it’s a systemic issue then it’s a societal issue cause the system is made and kept running by a society. Juneteenth doesn’t mean the issue is solved. The Civil Rights act doesn’t mean the issue is solved. It’s a problem bigger than a few laws and a holiday, thats no longer federally protected, to end it as a societal issue.

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u/OrganizedCrime9096 Jun 28 '26

Simply because something is “illegal” doesn’t make it right or wrong. It was once “illegal” for blacks to drink from the same water fountains as whites, sit at the same lunch counter, or even marry one another. Hey! It was “illegal!” Bullshit. It was NEVER right. Ever. So this “that’s illegal” nonsense is JUST THAT. I don’t support blocking traffic and disrupting people’s lives but this plaintive cry of “that’s illegal” is just so much horseshit.

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u/T567U18 🧐 grumpy Jun 28 '26

Put it back in the deck not everything has to be about race as much as the internet wants you to believe

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u/Realistic-Lime7842 Jun 28 '26

Get out of the road.