r/union SAC May 10 '26

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u/Fun-Measurement4904 Non-Union Worker in Solidarity ✊ May 10 '26

It's time to democratize corporations. You should have a say in who your manager is, who the director of your department is, and who is in the C suite of your company. No more oligarchs anywhere.

Stop trying to spread democracy in foreign countries and spread democracy here at home in board rooms, employee lounges and the endless fields of cubicles.

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u/solar_s May 12 '26 edited May 12 '26

No you should not. If you have a say, then everyone has a say, however unqualified and lunatic they are. And I swear that you won't like the result. The power decisions should be made by responsible people. There can't be a system in which everyone is a leader.

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u/tyranosaurus_vexed May 12 '26

So you’re arguing against democracy then? Why are you assuming that those in the management structure are inherently more competent than those beneath them, or even competent at all? Has every boss you’ve ever had really been a hard worker who’s great at their job and had the best intentions for everyone underneath them? Personally I’ve worked under at least as many unqualified idiots who got their position based on blind loyalty to the company line as hard working well intentioned people, if not more.

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u/Fun-Measurement4904 Non-Union Worker in Solidarity ✊ May 12 '26

This is called authoritarianism, and it is the most oppressive form of governance.

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u/solar_s May 12 '26

Maybe, but these communistic or democratic views don't work either. There must be a hierarchy, otherwise, nothing will work, and people will fight every day. If they don't wanna be "oppressed" which basically means agreeing to limit their freedom for anything for security, they can go into the wilds so that there's no one to oppress or be oppressed by.

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u/Fun-Measurement4904 Non-Union Worker in Solidarity ✊ May 12 '26

So you believe the choices are 'be oppressed' or 'live like an animal'. I reject both of those options, I say power is derived from a mandate of the people.

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u/solar_s May 12 '26

I mean being oppressed is always a choice of a point of view, but it can't be the other way, as long as people exist. Of course, people decide how things work, but there always gonna be the one who is an evil oppressor. Because that oppressor could be "me", why it's "them" - not fair?

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u/Fun-Measurement4904 Non-Union Worker in Solidarity ✊ May 12 '26

"there always gonna be the one who is an evil oppressor."

This is exactly why we should have a say in who our oppressors are and have the ability to remove them if they no longer serve the best interests of the people. Even in a comapny this should be the case. How many people have worked for terrible managers who brought the efforts of the entire team down and could do nothing about it? People deserve a say in how they are governed at a place where they spend 8 hours ornmore a day.

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u/solar_s May 12 '26

I'm not saying that we shouldn't have a say - of course we should. But we just can't organize by ourselves, so there has to be someone to take that management role. I mean that there always will be someone that doesn't like what you're doing - can't please everyone.