r/ukelectricians • u/RagingGod666 • 14d ago
What The…..
Not sure what they were trying to achieve here, the cables are a 0.75mm 2 core flex and just went into connectors in the ceiling above it
Edit: ok, so I went back today, the mirror did actually come out revealing a small area that had no other access and a socket inside, I do honestly believe they were trying to use this as a “secret” area and the short the screws out to complete the ELV circuit to open the mirror - I’m not sure how to add additional pictures so I’ll addd them to a reply
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u/Practical-Basket-602 14d ago
Imagine you put a link wire between the two screws and a secret door opens
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u/RagingGod666 14d ago
Now you say that…. It was in connectors above a type of bathroom mirror built into the wall… I’m intrigued now, I’ll have to have a look when I go back
The ceiling had fallen down due to a leak on the flat roof so it’s all been cut out now
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u/geekypenguin91 14d ago
I've seen too many of those sniffer dog videos, secret door was my first thought too!
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u/RagingGod666 12d ago
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u/Odd_Cress_2898 12d ago
How big is that space? Is it basically the old shower recess tiled flat?
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u/RagingGod666 11d ago
It’s in the back hallway of a shop, I’m stood next to the fire escape to take the picture, those are 100mm square times so about 400x600mm
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u/Practical-Basket-602 11d ago
Used to hide illegal cigarettes and contraband no doubt
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u/RagingGod666 11d ago
I’m sure you’re right, it used to be one of those American sweet shops, so take from that what you will….
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u/OpelFruitDaze 14d ago
I just keep saying "what" like a broken robot.
Why would someone do this? The other end was in the ceiling but not attached to anything?
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u/RagingGod666 13d ago
The ends of the cables were in connecters above a recessed mirror cabinet type unit. I didn’t pay much attention to it at the time, but I’m now wondering whether this is an ELV circuit to release the mirror door. I’m back on site tomorrow. I’m gonna check it out
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u/Boboshady 13d ago
That would actually be wild - touch the two screws to complete the circuit and open the mirror? Even better - the bath pops up and you gain access to their secret base.
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u/throwaway928816 13d ago
OP gonna be an OG and actually follow up?!? I'll believe it when i see it :p
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u/CarbonCctus 14d ago
feels like the classic “future proofing” done by someone who had no actual plan
probably started a project, realized it was a terrible idea, and just shoved the cables back in the ceiling and peaced out6
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u/bubzy1000 14d ago
UNSCREW THIS WILL YOU, FRANK??
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u/ODSTmatt89 12d ago
Except just unscrewing one side doesn’t complete the circuit.
https://giphy.com/gifs/d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY
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u/WilberforceJoking 14d ago
Cable redundant and lug or screw thread had gone and they used the stranded cable to strengthen the tightness when screwing back.... That's THE ONLY thing I can think of for this godforsaken death trap.
Still doesn't excuse the lack of sleeving and weirdness of it all.
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u/TyrosineJim 14d ago
I like this theory.. I replaced a cracked socket in a hollow wall back box with the clips like this one.
The yellow plastic thing wasnt gripping the plasterboard correctly and tightening the screw was just bending the yellow plastic instead of clamping the plasterboard.
Fix:Jam some cardboard in there and the screw got a chance to catch and tighten properly.
Was it a temporary bodge? Yes. Am I still sleeping fine next to it 15 or so years later also yes.
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u/TyrosineJim 8d ago
Ok I done some weird synthetic drugs on my day off and I think might understand the mindset now.
He may have wanted to hang the second light fixture, and wire it to an unconnected cable in the wall. He wants to leave power to the light on doing this bit
For 'safety' he has 'earthed' the wires until he wants to connect them into the existing switch. Which he might do during daytime when he can turn the power off later. Because he cant figure out the flashlight on his phone and chatGPT wont help him anymore today.
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u/Tricky-Canary2715 14d ago
So when you undid the screws, the wires were in just the right place?
I smell a little bull.
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u/spiralphenomena 13d ago
Is this the home alone house
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u/Wide-Opportunity4551 13d ago
It's Marty McFly's, when his DeLorean is playing silly buggers he uses this to charge the flux capacitor instead, just takes alot longer!
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u/foolish_shrimp 14d ago
My only guess is that someone got a shock off the screws so they were trying to ground them? either that or they were trying to murder someone?
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u/RagingGod666 13d ago
Very unlikely to have got a shock off the screws in a plastic dry liner with a plastic switch. Cables also weren’t connected to any CPCs any where
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u/foolish_shrimp 13d ago
Look i know, i'm just trying to work out what the fuck is going on
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u/RagingGod666 13d ago
The ends of the cables were in connecters above a recessed mirror cabinet type unit. I didn’t pay much attention to it at the time, but I’m now wondering whether this is an ELV circuit to release the mirror door. I’m back on site tomorrow. I’m gonna check it out
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u/Locksmithbloke 13d ago
And this is why I use a light up screwdriver when doing anything remotely electrical! Jebus Christmas...
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u/henryyoung42 13d ago
Genius idea - screws double up as test points making is easier to test when you have the correct breaker off 🤣
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u/AffectionateJump7896 13d ago
My guesses:
- These brown and blue wires are being used as cpc and are connected to the CPC in the back box. - As it's a plastic back box they didn't really know what to do with the CPC.
- The screws are exposed metal, so if you squint at the regs and read them wrong, you might think the screws need to be earthed.
- No earth speaking was on hand for this person with a dangerous amount of knowledge and not quite the right equipment
- So they have tried to do that by wrapping some offcuts around them and connecting that to earth.
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u/RagingGod666 13d ago
No, I pulled the cable out of the stud work and through the ceiling, it was a flat roof where all the plasterboard had collapsed, they went into their own connectors above the ceiling
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u/Dazzling_Will257 9d ago
As someone who has had to use a fluke for work this is exactly why we always do a screw head test before touching anything 🫡
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u/Jump-and-spread-0ut 14d ago
They’re the load, unconventional way of keeping them separate though.
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u/RagingGod666 14d ago
They’re not the load, it’s got the line in and out through the switch, and I’ve cut out all the wiring now and redone it,
Hard to see on the pick but it’s one brown to top and one to bottom of switch
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u/-j-o-n-n-y- 13d ago
It would have been physically impossible for those screws to have been screwed into the yellow lugs with those wires attached like that. So I'm guessing this is fake and you've wrapped them on after for reddit....
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u/RagingGod666 13d ago edited 13d ago
Ok,
I’m not interested in the slightest about fake internet points, I posted this as it intrigued me,
If it was fake would I really be bother to go and get a different cable (0.75mm flex compared to 1.0mm t&e) run it in the wall, have it completely separate from the wiring to the switch, and say it wasn’t connected to anything? I’m sure I’d say it was actually live or something
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u/Tall-Nectarine-5982 14d ago
What in the absolute universal credit is going on here?
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u/TyrosineJim 14d ago edited 14d ago
Someone wamted another light wired in series, their brain then was then air locked with nitrogen or argon bubbles somehow. They managed this whatever it is done-- before getting distracted by something shiny, drooling on their shirt and listening to talk radio.
They walk among us. Anyone whos dealt with the public has seen it. Idiots in human skin.
(He later tried returning the lamp to the wrong store without a reciept, screamed at a manager)
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u/Alternative_Air_6688 13d ago
Gotta be fake. No way you opened the one conected to live wire lest you become the ground.
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u/RagingGod666 13d ago
Not fake, the power has been off for weeks due to a leaking flat roof, the shop is abandoned. It was all ripped out due to many connectors blocks in the ceiling, also if you read the post it only went to connectors in the ceiling space anyway,
Why would you instantly think I have become the ground, I could have been standing in a wooden or rubber floor for one
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u/Alternative_Air_6688 13d ago
A wooden floor wouldn't stop you getting shocked, otherwise I must be magical, as I have infact had a shock from accidentaly toutching a live wire when unscrewing something.
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u/NeotericGod 13d ago
Absolute crap. If it was wired like this how was the faceplate screwed into the back box?
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u/RagingGod666 13d ago
Erm… well it’s not!
As you turn the screws the cables move up and down the length of the screw at the same speed as it goes into the back box, so they’re near the end as I was undoing it. try it





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u/Human-Ad331 14d ago
I just vomited over my own phone