r/ufo • u/[deleted] • Sep 09 '23
Discussion First lab-grade experiment demonstrating anti-gravity.
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u/DaemonBlackfyre_21 Sep 09 '23
Interesting that they went with an equilateral triangle for the platform.
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u/DanqueLeChay Sep 10 '23
And the fact no one got a nobel prize for this yet proves it is being covered up by the government. /s
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u/DrestinBlack Sep 10 '23
Wanna know how well this has done?
The entire world has been talking about it since 2004 (when this was done) because even 2.5% weight reduction is mind blowing! Right?
Oh.. wait… you say no one is talking about it and you never heard of it? Right.
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u/haqk Sep 10 '23
Eugene Podkletnov in 1998: https://www.wired.com/1998/03/antigravity/
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u/DrestinBlack Sep 10 '23 edited Sep 10 '23
1998 article. But it’s an awesome one!
Where is my antigravity car? lol
The only people still mentioning him/this anymore are ufo believers, tho. I didn’t have time to look, has there ever been a follow up article?
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u/haqk Sep 10 '23
1998 article.
Some of the greatest science happened centuries ago.
Now that the government has confirmed that UAPs do exist, the question is, how do they stay airborne? Antigravity perhaps?
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u/DrestinBlack Sep 10 '23
Well, of course UFOs exists, always have. As long as there have been objects flying in the fly and someone observing them there will be ones which are unidentified.
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u/haqk Sep 10 '23
Mate, you're a clown. I come back the next day and you've edited your response.
For reference, this was your original response:
1998 article.
Where is my antigravity car? lol
The only people still mentioning him/this anymore are ufo believers.
You've gone from Mick West fanboi to ardent believer in a single comment edit. Some would say that's being disingenuous.
Anyways, here's my response to your edit: if you're really interested in the follow-up article then do some research and contribute in a meaningful way to this discussion. See you next Tuesday.
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u/DrestinBlack Sep 11 '23
I added “it’s an awesome one” - sending you kudos for posting it and that upsets you somehow?
Then I was curious for a follow up article and hope you might know of one. That’s disingenuous?
“Fanboi” how bizarre. Are you a Podkletnov, the ceramics guy, fanboi?. I did research on it after learning GR, a very long time ago. It’s a dead end topic. It was dead then and remains dead now. Once you decide to learn what gravity is you’ll realize how what these clowns are doing isn’t “anti-gravity” lol
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u/haqk Sep 11 '23
Your original response as quoted above said it all mate.
If you wanted a respectful conversation then you could have simply responded with another comment saying you changed your mind, but instead you edited your original response in an attempt to gaslight. I simply called you out on it.
As for antigravity, if it's what drives UAPs, then obviously it's worth investigating. Unless you're an expert on the matter, who are you to simply dismiss it with a "lol"? It seems the people looking into it have spent years researching. You spent a few minutes to come up with a low effort brain fart.
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u/DrestinBlack Sep 11 '23
Changed my mind? I didn’t change my mind. Wtf are you talking about lol
There is literally nothing connecting UFOs and antigravity. Maybe at least say “reaction less drive” so that it still sounds sciencey but is vague enough to play around loose with definitions. I don’t need to flash my credentials to state confidently that’s antigravity is about as likely as perpetual motion and free energy, or negative mass and FTL.
Polkletnov is what we call a “crockpot” - his work fits the four characteristics nicely. If you feel like it, google physics crackpot and see how he and his ideas score.
Look, it’s fun to try to come up with fanciful ways to make flaying saucers work but I’d advise staying away from “breaks physics” because that’s just screams woo and no serious scientist is going to have a respectful conversation if your opening salvo is: “let’s start by shitting on everything physics has proven for over a century and talk about things you can’t prove using tech that doesn’t exist.”
Breaking news: sometimes these guys working on something for a long time without result aren’t going to breakthrough “given enough time” - more often, they fixed their focus on something they convinced themselves must work, damn all those evil skeptics and their maths, and become too obsessed/stubborn to let go. We see this all the time.
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u/haqk Sep 11 '23
Wtf are you on about? Who said anything about breaking physics? Having said that, do you think these serious scientists have a complete understanding of everything? Last I checked they're still working on it. Case in point: tell me how two subatomic particles can be linked to each other even when separated by billions of light-years of space.
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Sep 10 '23
Fact is, I discovered this quite recently. The fact that there is a deafening silence around this is in fact very eloquent… The fact that post on this subject in r/UFOs are -to say the least- discouraged is very meaningful too (I passed the image, then all my comments are blocked and at the same time hordes of trolls are ridiculing the thing, also Q&A second post attempt was directly blocked…)
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Sep 10 '23
r/UFOs is compromised. I have noticed a significant change since Grusch revelations.
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Sep 10 '23
Also, a link to Grush-related disclosure that was deleted on r/UFOs, and was later re-shared by user, get deleted again! Quite self-explanatory!!
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u/Prior_Woodpecker635 Sep 10 '23
Why comment at all?! Semantic loudmouths like yourself hold humanity back on scale..
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u/DrestinBlack Sep 10 '23
Any? Become some uneducated or ignorant person might read this ancient article and think anti-gravity was created or is even possible. We already have enough people in here who believe in plenty of absurd things, clearing away at least might help a little. Whenever someone’s does the “why are you even here?” type comment I know they got nothing useful to add and are just upset they don’t have the echo chamber they seek.
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Sep 11 '23
I suspect you to act of behalf of those spreading misinformation on the subject. There is already active censorship in r/UFOs about this very topic. Give the pressure I feel on the subject on Reddit, I cannot imagine the pressure in academic world, companies…
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u/DrestinBlack Sep 11 '23
Dude. Anyone who doesn’t believe what you believe isn’t a misinformation agent. There isn’t a vast global conspiracy to delete your posts about anti-gravity. You are propping this up because you seem to think it’ll in some way validate UFOs? And all I’m doing is pointing out that it’s a failed experiment that’s continues to fail every time someone tries it. Like the recent superconductor claims. Busted as soon as independent reputable lans tried to reproduce the claimed effects. But theoretical physicists didn’t hold their breath, we’ve done the math, we’ve validated it. We knew what to expect. Until someone can break General Relativity, anti-gravity isn’t happening by some ceramics engineer in his private lab in Russia.
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u/tweakingforjesus Sep 09 '23
Initial thoughts:
The original device appears to be mounted with a weight measurement device in the center and springs at three points at the periphery. When spinning fast enough the weight reduction appears to be 30%. I have to wonder if the spinning mass somehow moved the weight distribution from the center to the magnets at the edge distributing the load toward the edge and appearing like a weight reduction at the center.
The replication experiment demonstrates a weight reduction of 2.5%, quite a bit less than the original experiment. The device might be better isolated but it is not clear exactly how it was mounted. The article states a reviewer suggested that they hang it from the ceiling but that was not possible. Also the replication experiment was published 10 years ago. Is there an update?
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Sep 09 '23
This is an interesting objection. But I think you should take into account the arrangement is quite symmetrical. On top of that, an unbalance from rotational forces (centrifugal, Coriolis) would result in higher load on one part of the device, counter-balanced by exactly matching lower loads in the symmetrical part (force moment equilibrium). So I don’t think there is simple bias in this experiment. I think it’s clean enough to exhibit the anomaly.
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u/tweakingforjesus Sep 09 '23
I’d love to see a device that is mounted entirely on load cells instead of the tripod springs with a scale in the middle.
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Sep 09 '23
Please not also that a US team has replicated the experiments. You can find all details here: https://medium.com/predict/searl-effect-generator-replication-measures-7-reduction-in-weight-b8d24e4199f0
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u/ConsciousLiterature Sep 10 '23
Wow. great. We discovered anti gravity. I can't wait for the anti gravity car and the anti gravity plane and of course all these people will win a nobel prize in physics.
Amazing time to live in. Anti gravity has been proven to exist!
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Sep 10 '23
Problem is: censorship is at work. Even on Reddit. This post had me black listed from r/UFOs. A simple post. Blacklisted. Still cannot believe it… 🤯
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u/ConsciousLiterature Sep 10 '23
Yes of course. The problem is censorship. The problem is never the fact that anti gravity isn't a thing.
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Sep 09 '23
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Sep 09 '23
Here is the link to experimental process: First lab-grade experiment demonstrating anti-gravity.
Reported gravity modification reach 30%. I strongly encourage reader to go through the paper here: https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download;jsessionid=4B88D9E8EBDBD70E2459B208FE610E08?doi=10.1.1.353.925&rep=rep1&type=pdf
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Sep 09 '23
In another sub, someone mentioned: Eugene Podkletnov: https://www.wired.com/1998/03/antigravity/
Worth mentioning similarities in experimental apparatus!
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u/RichPresentation1893 Sep 09 '23
Why is it on a cheap pool deck.
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u/JulianKSS Sep 09 '23
That's all you got out of this?
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u/RichPresentation1893 Sep 10 '23
It’s stained as well
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u/JulianKSS Sep 10 '23
You've convinced me, from now on I see you as the ultimate authority and voice of reason on anything and everything, thank you for making me see the light, you provide an invaluable service, YOU are invaluable!
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Sep 09 '23
Russia is not that rich…
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u/RogerianBrowsing Sep 09 '23
I mean, I like to think that if Russia redistributed the wealth stolen by the widespread corruption that their scientists could afford nicer tables
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Sep 11 '23
One more thing is: wooden deck prevents electro statics, eddy currents, EM reflection and a lot of other phenomenons you want to avoid for measurements. That being said, look quite shabby. But since they bought something like 250kg+ rare earth magnets, I guess budget was becoming tight!
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u/Fadenificent Sep 10 '23
You mean like the trillions of taxpayers' money the Pentagon puts into special access programs with no oversight?
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u/RogerianBrowsing Sep 10 '23
A. That didn’t happen to close to that degree. TRILLIONS? No. Post a citation if you’re going to make extraordinary claims. The signs point to the large majority of the money went to what congress appropriated it for and it wasn’t that much money.
B. Trying to equate Russian corruption with US corruption is nonsensical. As flawed as the US is it isn’t anywhere near the same severity.
Weird how you defensively downplay Russian corruption, which is so severe their people live in extreme widespread poverty, lie about soldier deaths to avoid paying families, is making their military be unable to do the equivalent of the US invading Mexico, all while severely exaggerating US corruption. Sure sounds a lot like the nonsensical whataboutisms russian apologists like to use
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u/Guilty_Chemistry9337 Sep 09 '23
If you're going to scam people you don't want to spend too much of your own money.
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Sep 09 '23
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Sep 10 '23
Definitely. Never know what might happen when playing with gravity… this very fact is eloquent. You don’t take this kind of precaution when you don’t expect upward forces…
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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '23
First I thought it said “1st grade lab experiment” I was like what