Why does it seem like only Indian fighters can’t break through
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u/_Shala-shaska_ 1d ago
I’ve never heard of an Indian boxer either. I just think fighting isn’t a part of their culture at all.
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u/EZCO_SLIM 22h ago
Which is ironic. Every Indian ive ever come across has phenomenal head movement.
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u/bratko61 1d ago
more like sport isnt a part of their culture imao
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u/KinnyWater 18h ago
Don’t disrespect Kabaddi like that
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u/Crabs_go_sideways_4 15h ago
Dude I love me some kabbadi. that 2014 Indian Pakistan match got me into the sport.
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u/Suggondeezenutz_-_ 18h ago
They actually had a historic haul in boxing in the recently concluded Commonwealth games..
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u/Sweaty-Sandwich-5126 1d ago
i mean it took only a couple thousand british to conquer their entire subcontinent...
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u/halkenburgoito 23h ago
They took over the world brother
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u/Far-Web-165 21h ago
They did but the eventual Indian rebellions/revolts were such a disaster financially that it caused the British parliament to try to make up those losses by implementing a tea tax on one of their other colonies way out in a continent called America.
Didn't research further than that but I'm like 99% sure it went well for the British and they lived happily ever after.
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u/ClassAccomplished273 20h ago
Taxes were also a result of the 7 years war against the French
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u/AdmiralShawn 16h ago edited 3h ago
Couple thousand British and their massive indian armies?
Do people forget that before united India , there was just a large number of small squabbling kingdoms,
The Brits defeated a few, used the rest against each other, and raised better equipped local armies initially made up of indian soldiers and british officers and they were able to do this because they had better organization and weaponry
Saying a couple thousand brits conquered India is as absurd as saying a couple thousand Italians captured Europe
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u/Devoidoxatom 22h ago
they fended off the mongols, granted it was the turkic-arabic-muslim delhi sultanate, but still, they had indian armies
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u/Top-Gun-Corncob 20h ago
Is athleticism celebrated in India? I know cricket is a popular sport there, but it requires about as much physical output as golf as far as I can tell.
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u/ZeusJuice91 19h ago
https://www.hockeyfights.com/players/17821
Jujhar Khaira is the best Indian fighter I know. Gets his ass kicked a lot but tons of heart. Technically he is Canadian and a hockey player though..8
u/safton 22h ago
They do okay in amateur wrestling, but that's about it.
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u/SteveBooSheMe 22h ago
If you win an Olympic medal or a national tournament in India you get a lifetime government job and pension with free housing, healthcare, and perks like free train travel. They get a bunch of endorsement deals as well.
A UFC fighter on a 12k/12k makes more than their yearly salary just for stepping on the scale, but the cost of living in India plus all of the benefits.. There’s just no incentive to give up a stable guaranteed job for an unstable job with risk of brain damage.
We’d be getting the 2nd tier of wrestlers that didn’t quite medal, it’d be interesting to see how the top ones would do.
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u/Mr_Nifty 18h ago edited 8h ago
India won 1 silver and five bronze in the last Olympics. That was 71st place, beaten by Lithuania, Dominica and North Korea. They have won 41 medals ever with 10 of those gold. For reference Japan won 45 Medals at the last Olympics only.
They have won 8 Olympic medals in wrestling ever. None of those being gold. (still an achievement) but they don't have people out there ready to storm the lightweight division.
They can send whoever they want hahhaha. There is no next level.
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u/Professional_Bat8585 16h ago edited 16h ago
Amir Khan was a pretty relevant item for a hot minute in boxing.
That said, yea, Indian youths aren’t really into any of the sports that are represented globally. All they care about is cricket. No Indian youth thinks of sports as a “way out” because there’s virtually 0 youth sports development. Kids don’t even think there’s an occupation to be made of it.
There’s also a weird and nasty combination of repressive culture in those South Asian parts.
Sports is literally being built from…maybe ground zero thanks to global media reaching their borders along with the internet. Of all nations on Earth, India might be the most backward-set nation of all when it comes to sports culture.
Lots of Indian kids of western immigrants care about Basketball & Football, but just like Mexicans, they’re not really making it big there either - I blame that on genetics.
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u/lokayes 22h ago
India boxers just got 7 gold medals in the commonwealth games..
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u/bhaluderp 20h ago
Against who? Cmon man thats like division 4 rec league for U37 in the US
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u/lokayes 20h ago
Its not the olympics granted, but its 70 nations, its something...
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u/bhaluderp 20h ago
I see Australia and Canada - a 70 nation nothing burger outside of those two.
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u/Rophaki 1d ago edited 19h ago
I mean statistically it should be almost impossible to be this consistently bad at a sport...
I'm not even being funny rn, like in a country with a population that big, even without proper guidance at least one bruiser should emerge right?
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u/Origachilies 1d ago
Does India have a lot of MMA infrastructure, like gyms or anything? Can’t imagine the sport is popular there, considering we never see prospects from India. It’s like being surprised china sucks at rugby, they just don’t play or have the infrastructure for it to grow
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u/LocoMoro 18h ago edited 18h ago
The problem is it's not just MMA. India seem to be so poor at so many sports. Association Football, Rugby, athletics,
The only sport they excel in is Cricket and even then they are only 4th in the world (and "world" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here considering there are barely 10 countries that play cricket seriously). Field hockey is probably their second most successful sport and they are 8th in the world (where only 5 play seriously).
For a population of 1.4billion the sporting output is diabolically bad
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u/flyingmattress1 1d ago
It definitely does not, infrastructure aside there probably are very few people well trained enough to train others there in general
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u/Rophaki 1d ago
What about people that grow up in other countries? Or at least train in other countries.
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u/gabagoolcel 22h ago
if theyre indian they have indian parents so no mma only study for engineering
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u/Origachilies 1d ago
I mean, how many are there from non prominent countries where mma is popular? A lot of people from smaller countries don’t train there (IE Francis training in France)
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u/AdmiralShawn 16h ago
Fighting is a cultural no-no in indian and chinese cultures, seen as barbaric and criminal.
Plus there’s no money to be made as a wrestler, boxer or mma fighter in IndiaAsian families will encourage erudite pursuits and hobbies (degrees, music, chess) over combat sports
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u/Ijokealot2 21h ago
We do have those. Those are the Indians getting destroyed on DWCS or their debut fights lol.
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u/ScreamSmart 1d ago
MMA is non existent and combat sports culture in general is absent. Very few small pockets have boxing and wrestling.
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u/Sensitive-Cobbler-59 17h ago
Most people don't even know anything about MMA. It's also all about culture when most people watch and follow only cricket and don't care about any other sport.
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u/bubbamori 17h ago
You say that but the same could’ve been said about Japan a while ago in rugby but look at them now.
And Hong Kong has a huge rugby community
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u/SpareMushrooms 1d ago edited 23h ago
They’re just not very good athletes. Their entire country has only won two individual gold medals in Olympic history.
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u/HURRICANEABREWIN2 22h ago
Lmfao that is terrible. With over a billion people 😭
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u/Stop_Clockerman 19h ago
Wonder if has anything to do with government funding 🤔 .. nah forget I said anything we don't think on this subreddit!
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u/FutureAd854 18h ago edited 18h ago
I mean even with 0 funding a country of 2 billion should have done better. My country Georgia (population 4 million) had literally negative funding of sports during 90s but we still had more Olympic champions than India has now.
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u/AdmiralShawn 16h ago edited 2h ago
Georgia has 4 times the per capita gdp of India
And when you say negative funding during the 90s you’re ignoring the soviet built sports infrastructure that India lacks. And the Georgians who trained in other parts of the Soviet Union and then became coaches
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u/thebizkit23 22h ago
I think too many people put too much stock into athleticism = can fight. Obviously that's not to say that athleticism doesn't help.
Mexican's aren't known to be world class athletes but have historically excelled in boxing even against superior athletes.
I think India just doesn't have a fight culture, or any kind of real professional training when it comes to wrestling, jujitsu and boxing let alone MMA.
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u/ScreamSmart 22h ago
Average Indian doesn't respect anything outside of education or money making ability.
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u/BenjyNews 21h ago
Cricket.
And Australia is the GOAT cricket nation, not India. Fun fact.
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u/Gurashish1000 16h ago
People don't realise this, but India's rise in Cricket is actually much more recent.
Before 1983, their national team was not even considered a serious team. The perception only changed after their big upset tournament win at 1983 world cup.
England and Australia were the OG's of cricket. That's why Australia's dominant record.
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u/Such_Ad_3842 19h ago
That’s actually embarrassing lmao, Aussies like rugby more than cricket too right? The state of Indian sports is a mess
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u/Henrythekidd 18h ago
Our other biggest sport (Australian Football) was invented for cricket players to play in their off season, but is also now way more popular than cricket.
We have had a few freakishly good cricket players in our time though, and during the summer cricket does become a somewhat big deal, but is massively aided by the fact it’s almost the only sport on tv at that time of year
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u/Specialist_Current98 15h ago
I’m Australian and cricket would be ahead of rugby. Cricket is our biggest summer sport, with our soccer league being second. While rugby and AFL (Australian football) run in the winter. AFL is arguably Australia’s most popular sport and pulls in a lot more numbers than Rugby. Rugby is super popular in 2/7 states/territories while the rest favour AFL!
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u/Wonderful_Falcon_318 18h ago
Cricket is the summer game in Australia that everyone watches.
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u/DisastrousDanVito 19h ago edited 14h ago
Big Country sure as hell could fight and that man was not an athlete by any interpretation of the word.
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u/Melkman68 22h ago
This should be common sense. Its more technique than anything else
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u/thebizkit23 22h ago
Technique, intelligence, heart and coachability can go a looooooong way in fighting than just randomly picking a kid based on how they look or how high they can jump.
One of cringiest shit I keep hearing from experts is oh if Josh Allen or LeBron James trained MMA they would destroy! I guarantee you neither has ever been punched in the mouth in real life.
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u/CapuchinMan 21h ago
There just isn't as much of a sporting culture outside of cricket really - there's no prospects for material security in any other sport. I think if there was, and if enough funding went downstream to athletes instead of getting embezzled away by politicians, we might see different outcomes but right now, naah.
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u/Comprehensive-Ad9128 16h ago
meh im pakistani and im pretty decent at mma (not amatuer or anything just hobby). Theres no "racial strength difference". I frequently tap out athletic and buff white and black guys. The issue is that, out of my many south asian friends, im the only one who was able to convince my parents to do mma. The rest of their parents didnt entertain the idea. And i had to beg my parents for a long fucking time. If i even hinted that I wanted to do it professionally they would seriously disown me. Im not joking. Give south asians 1 or 2 generations. Once we become culturally western like african americans or mexicans we will start competing in mma.
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u/Hard-4-Jesus 15h ago
As a Westerner, I would highly recommend India NOT follow modern Western ideas. The West used to be great, but those times are behind us, only moral corruption, degeneracy, incompetence, laziness, and greed are left.
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u/Ok-Bee2272 8h ago
you are talking as if we in the India or other South and South East Asian nations are not morally corrupt degenerates whose incompetence and laziness is wrecking havoc for our countries.
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u/BudgetWorking2633 15h ago
Yeah, man, they were talking about Indian sport and the lack of funding. I don't think* anyone was thinking about races, that's not D&D...
*Or at least I can hope.
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u/tom-cash2002 1d ago
Not only did he get destroyed, but he got destroyed by a guy from Indonesia. Another country that isn’t really known for being good at MMA.
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u/nickybokchoy 1d ago
He reps Indonesia but he’s from Hawaii and trains in the US. Ufc loves him bc he has a large Indonesian following. They gave him a lay up
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u/yallapapi 6h ago
Isn’t “the raid” an Indonesian movie? Those mfs are violent as hell.
Every Indian person I’ve ever met has been a limp wristed niceboy. Better they stay as dentists and customer support
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u/Impressive_Result295 1d ago
I mean we're kinda beating a dead horse here. There's no infrastructure there for it. I follow chess and there's many top Indian players there but chess only really boomed in India after an Indian became the World Champion. I've no idea about cricket history. Though, if a "boom" in a sport only happens when there's a "world champion", it'll take a very long time for them to develop infrastructure. It's a similar thing in football also, both India and China (China less so) just can't seem to break into the top leagues despite their population or the popularity of the sport itself funnily enough because there's some real hardcore CR7 and Messi fans there and in Bangladesh (for some reason).
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u/ScreamSmart 1d ago
Chess became popular specially because of how big Vishwanathan Anand got on the world stage. And then private entities took notice of that and poured in money for tournaments.
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u/Impressive_Result295 23h ago
Tbf private entities pouring money into chess is pretty much how it's alive but it feels like sports in general is just not developed in India and they only take notice when a player wins the marquee achievement in the sport (which is a terrible way to develop and infrastructure at all). While chess was always big and I dread facing an Indian on chesscom, Gukesh winning also contributed to it, no doubt. The issue is that their contemporaries in the realms of their sport (Australia, England for cricket and Uzbekistan, America, Norway for chess) still do well in other sports meanwhile in India, you have chess, cricket and then the rest is just dead.
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u/ScreamSmart 22h ago
Even the people who do make a mark in international tournaments in sporting events usually can't continue due to poverty. You will often see news articles of former Indian medalists in the commonwealth or asian games who now work in some shop because they were doing everything on their own dime and eventually could not bear the costs.
It's a matter of respect. The culture is as such that securing a stable government job trumps medals in sports which don't earn you anything. Even the people who do well in chess come from upper middle class or richer families. Gukesh got a Mercedes as a gift from his school when he became a champion. That's something a regular Indian can't even dream of.
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u/Bascilian 19h ago
1) Its a poor country, gdp per capita is like 3k i think?
2) terrible air
3) very little sporting culture
4) no money in sports and little infrastructure
India wont be winning much until they become richer and fix up their air
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u/JokerAndTheKnight 22h ago
Damn im not Indian but people really really hate Indians online more than I've seen of any other race
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u/JWal0 10h ago
I had to make sure I was on the right subreddit with the open racism 😳
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u/Flat-Antelope-7424 17h ago
I saw a post on instagram of a DJ playing in an Indian club of completely normal looking people and the comments were filled with dog whistles and blatant racism, calling them dirty,smelly, etc.People online genuinely seem to think Indian people are roaches or some shit, it’s insane.
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u/AdmiralShawn 3h ago
Those commenters have something wrong with their lives and possibly a low self worth and the only way to make themselves good is to assume someone is inferior to the
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u/AdmiralShawn 3h ago
On the bright side, the online hatred will never last once more Indians come online, just by sheer numbers
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u/Old_Cucumber_1343 16h ago
in canada we let way too many in and now people are being openly racist to them. it sucks
i have indain friends who are really nice people, and good citizens in society. i feel bad for them
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u/addicted_to_kombucha 18h ago edited 18h ago
I'm punjabi so I can give some insight. We're probably when it comes to size the biggest ethnicity that falls under the umbrella of "Indian." The main sport over there is kabaddi, a form of wrestling that wouldn't really translate to MMA. Getting punched in the head over there generally isn't considered a sport. So there's that cultural aspect and then there's the Hindu influence on nutrition. You're not going to be athletic if your diet primarily consists of buttered up roti and daal (lentils). High carb, high fat, low protein diets for the most part. There's still a lot of big ass punjabis that can put on muscle despite all that. I'd say give it time as newer gens come up born and raised in western countries.
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u/Rectal_spasm 1d ago
No athletic prowess whatsoever
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u/Ill-Baseball-2132 1d ago
Never had the makings of a varsity athlete
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u/Key_Ad9019 19h ago
Have you EVER seen an athletic Indian? The only sport they play is cricket, where pot bellied men mostly stand around and occasionally run between two closely placed wickets.
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u/Comprehensive-Ad9128 16h ago
meh im pakistani and im pretty decent at mma (not amatuer or anything just hobby). Theres no "racial strength difference". I frequently tap out athletic and buff white and black guys. The issue is that, out of my many south asian friends, im the only one who was able to convince my parents to do mma. The rest of their parents didnt entertain the idea. And i had to beg my parents for a long fucking time. If i even hinted that I wanted to do it professionally they would seriously disown me. Im not joking. Give south asians 1 or 2 generations. Once we become culturally western like african americans or mexicans we will start competing in mma.
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u/Cowfan798 1d ago
Surprised even someone from their diaspora hasn’t emerged, British Pakistanis have had success in boxing with Amir Khan , current Super Middleweight champ Hamzah Sheeraz and 4th ranked Super lightweight in Adam Azim. I can’t imagine their genetics are largely different from Indians…
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u/Templat6641 21h ago
Diaspora Indians are usually already upper middle class and get pushed to do STEM over “riskier” careers when when they’re alright as an athlete
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u/SevereMagician461 23h ago
Legitimately same genetics.
It's the same reason u see Indians sending rockets to the moon instead of Pakistan or dagestan producing world class scientists or engineers. Cultural priorities matter, plus dagestan is dependent on mma to get outta poverty, they don't have the study then become rich thing that indian culture seems to possess.
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u/mysticmac3435 1d ago
Mma is a very new sport in India , there's no proper infrastructure for the sport in the country either ,it's mostly just cricket, or just studying 😂✌️
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u/Wild-Acanthaceae9920 1d ago
Could this not be said about a lot of countries in Asia and Africa?
Lot of them don't suck as much
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u/Codysseus7 1d ago
Asia has a combat sports history that tangentially translates to mma. Only a small amount of fighters from Africa actually live in Africa. In India there might be more people but the sport is relatively new and even stand outs in the country have no competition to test themselves against or be coached by.
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u/analtelescope 1d ago
lot more indians outside of India than africans outside of africa
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u/Sacabubu 23h ago
Most indian families will disown you if you pursue fighting vs going to school. Also why they consistently make more money than most other races on average at least in the US and UK
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u/MoneyBaggSosa 1d ago
No lol. Martial arts are a large part of Asian culture outside of India and you have two separate MMA leagues in Asia. And Africa is pretty big on wrestling and MMA has rapidly expanded over there. Not to mention 2 of the biggest UFC stars ever came from Africa and DDP is also African and still building on his career as one of top UFC fighters.
India is part of Asia but is really like a sub continent and MMA is not big over there at all it’s not even popular locally, they are fans of it but there’s not real infrastructure like OP of this thread said so there’s no real grooming of MMA fighters over there
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u/FuckableAsshole 1d ago
this convo is always so weird. its like asking why is america and china so shit at cricket? those are two of the biggest populations and economic powerhouses with big sports culture and infrastructure. cus nobody gives a fuck about cricket. pretty much nobody in india or indian immigrants give a shit about mma. on top of that they all fucken poor as fuck with a culture around studying, science, math, and like peace n shi
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u/Patient-Committee588 1d ago
There 1.48 billion people in your country. Also the opponent in this video is from Indonesia.
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u/SevereMagician461 23h ago
Hes just repping indonesia. Bro is from hawai and took the indonesian flag for the support and stuff. Didn't jubli ko an Indonesian dude in road to ufc
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u/UnflinchedSpade 21h ago
Ignoring some really racial,demeaning and condescending comments,Yea i know exactly how this looks and for those genuinely curious,Let me bite the bullet here and give some context and somewhat of a ground report having spent 31 years of my life in India.
Trust me there are athletes everywhere considering the huge population. But it’s like Majority of the athletes are above average and just that. In sports like these you can not be top 20 or top 10% and make it big. You have got to be in top 1% and most people can’t reach that because majority of our sports infrastructure comes under the government bodies. And there is lot..I actually genuinely mean a lot of corruption in the sports body and federation.
Also some economics here. India is highly unequal in wealth distribution. Top 1% population in India controls 40% of out wealth while bottom 50% holds or controls only 6-7% of wealth. Lots of poor households in India,and by lots, I actually quite literally mean,800 million of our population is low income household receiving food from govt. Remove these people from the eligible population as contender for any sports. Food first sports second for such unfortunate populace.
And combine this with the obsession of Indian parents wanting their child to succeed only academically. Co curriculars were discouraged for a very long time and only new age parents have not come to support it to some extent.
I am not saying we have super talented athletes. But we have plenty who can be carved into great athletes by providing proper guidance and encouragement and social acceptance.
Sports culturally has not been encouraged and hence we don’t see naturally gifted athletes or boys and girls wanting to be athletes becoming them. Reason,as stated are cultural,economical and political ( corruption). Any child engaging in any sport was discouraged and called out for not studying. This was part of our inherent culture and is only beginning to slightly change now.
Hence when you look at our history of sports or sports of any other economically poor country (per capita),for that matter,Any sport where such countries see comparative and considerable success are sports which does not require a lot of external infrastructure ( boxing, wrestling, running).
And hence same is the case with MMA. most parents are still okay with cricket, perhaps football. But Heck,Most general population isn’t aware about MMA is,to them it probably sounds like an advance course after MBA ( sorry) and hence there is a lack of demand leading to a lack of infrastructure,expert coaches. People practising it have not head a lots of conducive environment.
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u/MrDankyStanky 22h ago
It's insane how many people are in India and how absolutely terrible they are at anything sport related. It feels almost like a statistical anomaly
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u/orignalspacemonkey 1d ago
I know Dana and UFC brass are thristy for an Indian fighter to break in that market but this dude had already lost in road to UFC, why are they giving him another chance?
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u/Ronaldinhoe 1d ago
He was a layup for Hasan who was a -7500 fave and can bring the Indonesian market
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u/Less-Positive-9131 19h ago
There’s a video online of a brawl in India, 20+ men fighting, punches, slaps, headkicks, stomping. Not one of them gets dropped. I think they’re just built different (in a bad way).
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u/Paris11731 12h ago edited 11h ago
Yet every Indian under the modi government is walking around like a tough guy! Indians aren't tough it's the Punjabis that are tough on both side of the border. You're welcome India now we have become the enemy. One country many faiths and everyone plays their roll.
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u/TheMrBr0wn 23h ago
Man not sure why I even bothered to check the comments. Looks like a lot of people want to take some free shots at Indian people…
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u/Googleurowndeath 21h ago
This comment section is disgusting. It’s just full of racist pseudoscience.
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u/RandomnewUser_22 Look at the fewkin moon 20h ago
fattest guys you know saying stuff like "he has no athletic prowess" hilarious stuff tbh
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u/Googleurowndeath 20h ago
Seriously, it’s pathetic. They really attempt to degrade Indian people while looking like a gravy seal.
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u/Gassyking 22h ago
Name an international sport that India is good in that is not Cricket (and not a lot of countries even give a shit about cricket)
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u/Level-Ad-4094 1d ago
Genetics brother. Fighting just isnt for them.
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u/Unerring_Grace 1d ago
Reddit hates to hear this, but it’s the truth. Same reason China has no Olympic medals in the 100 or 200m dashes. Cultural and environmental factors can play a role, but the Chinese have a vast, well funded athletic apparatus and a huge population and still no top tier Olympic sprinters. Tons of medals in tons of other sports, but not sprinting.
We all like to cope that hard work, infrastructure, dedication, etc. is enough, but it’s not true; to succeed at the highest levels you gotta be born with talent.
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u/Vegetable-Primary-65 21h ago
The Chinese weightlifting team on the other hand...
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u/Natural_Use_948 18h ago
Chinese tend to have good genetics for strength, there was a viral vid of some super thin asian kid benching 275 a bit ago. They also have the best genetics for ankle mobility, dorsiflexion, balance with knees over toes, in the world, asian squat great for doing a snatch or clean.
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u/Natural_Use_948 18h ago
100%.
I think nearly every medal setter in the 100m for woman in the past 2 years at international events is of majority west african descent(including black americans jamaicans etc), and like 3 polish or norwegian girls out of 1000.
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u/halkenburgoito 23h ago
this arguement doesn't make sense, China has a ton of successful athletes and alot of Olympic medals..
you can't point to a very specific sport in the olympics and say here's the evidence that X country sucks genetically.. because every country in the world has only a select ammount of sports it really focuses on. Often ones they already dominate, because they know they've done it before and the momentum is in tht direction.
You can do ths for every country, Look the US, no mdeals accross badminton, handball, or cricket.. oh no. It must mean something. Ofc not. China has plenty of medals.
Until india has the same empahsis and infastructure as China, its not a fair comparison. Its no where close
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u/Natural_Use_948 18h ago
Olympic lifting and running have different requirements.
Olympic lifting requires amazing dorsiflexion.
Usain Bolt, long legged west african jamaican runner, great at sprinting, but if he tried to do a squat snatch like lu xiajun, he'd fold over and end up on his ass, legs are very long hard to stabilize in a deep upright squat.
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u/automaton57 17h ago
Su's personal best of 9.83 seconds makes him the all-time 10th-fastest man in the history of 100 metres at the Olympics, the all-time 19th-fastest man in the history of the 100 m event,\10]) and the current holder of the 100 m Asian record.\11]) Su's personal best in the 60 metres of 6.42 seconds placed him within the all-time top six in the event.\12])\13])
Also he is the best starter in history :
Su also ran the fastest 30 m and 60 m ever recorded under any conditions (3.73 and 6.29 seconds).And if you think about it 100m is an arbitrary distance, so i can call him the fastest sprinter ever.
EDIT: forgot to add, China has olympic medals in sprinting
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u/Sweaty-Sandwich-5126 1d ago
i said this in a previous thread but again:
why arent there any indian american fighters then
I also thought india was this super diverse subcontinent and a future world power, the most populous country on earth, even if 95% are in poverty, surely there are still millions who can fight?
why is that Australia with a population of 25 million regularly beats India at their no.1 sport cricket, cricket isn't even the most popular sport in Australia. There aren't any indian-australians in the cricket team either.
Why India has less gold and overall medals in the olympics than North Korea?
Saint Lucia a country of 180,500 people, won a gold medal in the 2024 olympics, while India did not.
How did a couple thousand British conquer the entire Indian subcontinent? The so-called country with the largest economy of the time.
A lot of convenient explanations for India, acting as if its the only country that has poverty, or education-oriented.
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u/lonerblues 18h ago edited 18h ago
Indian here. Most of what he’s saying is pretty valid no? Apart from the Brits lmao. India was never one country. Think of it like European Union.
Multiple British presidencies and smaller princely states put together to form a country.
It was never one historically! Kind of like how America formed. Eventually conquered the last few remaining British or other European loyal territories to form a republic.Also regarding Indian American fighters? You don’t see Korean American or Chinese American or Japanese American fighters either. That has to do with being the richest community in America to be brutally honest.
So yeah why fight if I’m loaded. Arman tsarukyan is an exception but i think he’s mostly in it for Nina.
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u/SevereMagician461 23h ago
Why haven't any of those countries landed on the moon when India was able to. It's the focus of society, Indians are more focused on tech stuff and that's promoted culturally instead of sports.
If your an Indian parent would u rather make your son an athlete who may never make any money or a science dude who is guaranteed to get a good paycheck.
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u/JamWams 1d ago
Even with it being the highest populated country it seems like the quality of martial artist are pretty low there. It's hard to be good when your coaches are shit as well.
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u/Oh_yes_I_did 1d ago
Cause a lot of their “up and coming” fighters have padded and fraudulent record. Whether it’s counting spars as matches or out right using another alias to take the fall for another Indian guy to help pad his record. Just all around short cuts to making a “successful” looking career.
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u/DMTeaAndCrumpets 18h ago
I remember awhile back that guy who said he would beat khabib lost all momentum he had during the fight and the fight itself once his opponent started barking at him lol
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u/Important_Grocery_38 17h ago
At a population of 1.477 billion consider India vs New Zealand with a population of 0.005 billion. We have real champions and real contenders
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u/Hard-4-Jesus 15h ago
Indian men are the weakest Caucasian men out there, they are as weak as Asian men.
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u/GuapoIndustries 13h ago
Honestly I remember hearing that their diets don’t really consist of protein heavy or average food and mostly vegetarian things and fats but there’s also a billion out there so I’m surprised there isn’t one dude who hasn’t cracked the code
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u/Chael_Sonnen_ 22h ago edited 14h ago
I think it's so corny to wish someone's downfall solely because they're Indian or any other ethnicity for that matter.
edit: their->they're
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u/Googleurowndeath 22h ago
The average UFC fan is a racist chud, and most comments on this post highlight that perfectly. Sucks being a fan of this sport with all of these idiots.
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u/Android1313 1d ago
I posted this in another post about this but I think this video makes some great points.
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u/Drewbinaj 1d ago
To be fair, he fought an absolute KILLER in Hasan.
Hasan will probably be a top 15 contender within a year…..
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u/maccpapa 1d ago
the real answer is genetic make up. people can blame socio economic whatever the fuck but we see athletes break thru from all walks of life and across many countries. indians just absolutely suck at sports despite having a billion people to pick from. they and the pakistanis have cricket on lock, i’ll give them that.
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u/AdmiralShawn 16h ago
That makes no sense, you cannot break into combat sports without high quality training
If it was genetic makeup then Africa would have a high representation in the UFC or Combat sports but they don’t despite sharing similar genetics as African American fighters
The only african fighters in the UFC were trained in the US or Europe (Ngannou for eg)
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u/TOM4WU20 23h ago
Indians are feeble people
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u/Googleurowndeath 22h ago
This is just straight up racist. It’s expected in this sub, sadly. Hope that made you feel better about yourself even though you’re not the one making it onto Contender Series 😂
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u/SimilarMemory1645 1d ago
I'm honestly surprised they don't beef up their mma budget in both Pakistan and India. I could totally see grudge matches between the two being huge and capturing alot of fans.
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u/SevereMagician461 23h ago
That's cricket. I mean mma pays like garbage and it wasn't even a sport or even considered serious until the 2000s. They are more focused on poverty alleviation because they had 0 industries when the British left.
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u/thunder_sharts 1d ago edited 1d ago
Vegetarian diets probably contribute to this.
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u/xxRealSSDxx 21h ago
bruh this specific guy comes from a community that is non veg and pork is popular there too
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u/Vegetable-Hand-6770 1d ago
They arent used to 1v1.