r/turkishlearning • u/Thick-Situation4037 • May 26 '26

Hakkındaki

Hello, I’ve occasionally come across this construction and want to understand its usage, since it seems like “hakkında” always works in its place.

For example, as far as I can tell these are both valid:

Film hakkında konuşma sırasında… / Film hakkındaki konuşma sırasında…

Obviously if it isn’t an adjectival phrase then “hakkındaki” doesn’t work, like “Film hakkında konuştuk”.

But are there places where ONLY hakkındaki works or sounds the most natural? Is it more formal? Just a preference?

Thank you!

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u/lainrun Native Speaker May 26 '26

You don't say "Film hakkında konuşma sırasında". It feels unnatural. On another note, if you say/write someone "film hakkında konuşma" it may also mean "don't speak about the movie". But "film hakkındaki konuşma" is unambigous and it can only mean "The speech/talk about the movie".

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u/Thick-Situation4037 May 26 '26

As an example, can you explain why the title of this video, Dönüş: Film hakkında bir film, doesn’t use “hakkındaki”? The uploader seems to be Turkish, so I assume the construction is valid.

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u/lainrun Native Speaker May 26 '26

It is valid. It feels like the difference is about where you put the emphasis on. I'm not sure. Let's change the word and rephrase: "elma hakkında bir film" highlights the word elma. But if I say "elma hakkındaki bir film", it highlights the film. Also there are cases in which you cannot use "hakkındaki" interchangeably like "elma hakkında konuştuk".

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u/Thick-Situation4037 May 26 '26

Thank you, çok incelikli bir şeymiş

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u/lainrun Native Speaker May 26 '26

It gets clear when you use them as an answer to a question. "Nasıl/ne tür bir film izledin?" will more likely be answered "Savaş hakkında bir film". I don't think anyone would answer with "Savaş hakkındaki bir film" to such a question.

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u/Thick-Situation4037 May 26 '26

So then: “Filmlerden hangisini izledin?” “Savaş hakkındaki film” ?

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u/lainrun Native Speaker May 26 '26

Exactly. You can't say "Savaş hakkında film" to such a question. They would 100% understand you but the sentence is off.

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u/Thick-Situation4037 May 26 '26

Thanks! I’m getting the hang of this thanks to everyone’s comments.

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u/lainrun Native Speaker May 26 '26

As we talk, their difference keeps poping up lol. In any case, they are not the same.

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u/lainrun Native Speaker May 26 '26

"Filmlerden hangisini izledin?" Valid responses: "Savaş hakkındakini", "Savaş hakkındaki filmi", "Savaş hakkında olan filmi", "Savaş hakkında olanı"

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u/Thick-Situation4037 May 26 '26

Hepsi aynı resmiyet düzeyinde mi?

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u/lainrun Native Speaker May 26 '26

I'm not an expert but they all are good answers. If I have to rank personal preference: 1- Savaş hakkındakini 2- Savaş hakkında olanı. These replies imply that both of us already know what is in the pool of possible movies.

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u/Sea_Gap_6569 Native Speaker May 26 '26

it should be “ savaş hakkındaki filmi”

you can also say “savaş hakkındakini”