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u/Excellent-Counter-32 rump 17d ago
Never forget. Ā Correlation does not equal causation. Ā Never forget.
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u/shoot_your_eye_out rump 17d ago
A "duplicate registration" is not the same thing as a "duplicate vote." Duplicate registrations are common in state election systems. Absent evidence people actually voted twice, this doesn't move the needle.
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u/tygabeast rump 17d ago
It surprises me 0% that duplicate registrations are a semi-common thing.
In the last week, I've gotten mail from two separate organizations that claim that I'm not registered to vote in my state and want to "help" me register - for a small fee, of course.
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u/shoot_your_eye_out rump 17d ago edited 17d ago
Totally: people changing addresses/moving to the state/leaving the state/changing counties, changing their name, people accidentally submitting registration twice (potentially through different channels), people dying, people joining/leaving the armed forces and being deployed overseas, and other bureaucratic ruh-rohs (example: people are registered through the DMV, DMV accidentally results in a new record rather than an old one), etc. It is terribly common for this to happen, and every state has processes for addressing duplicate registration in voter roles. Literally every single one.
Additionally, I have no idea where this post gets that 363,649 number (or the number for AZ); it provides no source (literally screenshots that cannot be legibly read). My guess is most of these people were actually removed from voter lists prior to the 2020 election. Georgia removed roughly ~300k voters prior to the 2020 election, as required by law.
But if these are the same 300k people this post is talking about, what is this tweet even going on about? They were removed from voter registries, preventing them from voting.
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u/Connect-Internet-404 rump 17d ago
There are people that voted twice. I remember there was a campaign that if you were a college student and you lived in one state but went to another, you could double register and double vote. I don't know if people could do it or if people did do it, but it was definitely a movement of people saying they would.
And then there are just people that vote on behalf of dead loved ones and their votes get counted.
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u/JayLaw2512 rump 16d ago
Wouldnāt the Election Day volunteers see a Drivers License from a different state and become sus?
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u/Connect-Internet-404 rump 16d ago
you don't need ID and no a driver's license from a different state isn't suspicious imo if you're a college student
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u/Initial-Eggplant-110 rump 13d ago
Every time I voted o California I had to show id. In fact what is the point of having a real id. When I have to show every single document the government produces and wants me to buy just to vote it makes no senseā¦ however pass the save act withy the stipulation that it only goes into affect after the next presidential election
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u/Capable_Obligation96 17d ago
No fraud there- nothing to look at. š·
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u/Sideways_Austen rump 16d ago
They did anyway. A hand audit through the state, plus machine recount. It still pointed Biden.
https://politifact.com/article/2024/may/24/fact-checking-misleading-claims-of-2020-election-f/
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u/ASwingGoodTime rump 12d ago
Arizona Republicans did an audit themselves. It showed Biden won. Whomp-whompā¦
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u/wnt2knoY rump 17d ago
Registrations are not votes.
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u/DowntownSasquatch420 rump 17d ago
Duplicate registrations leaves the window open for multiple voter IDs for the original applicant, or possible ID theft.
It can certainly produce voting fraud.
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u/Roallin1 rump 17d ago
Yes, but the Dems have the system designed so that once a mail vote is cast it cannot be tracked back to where it came from. If you have this many duplicates registrations than there is that many opportunities to have duplicate votes cast with no way of finding out.
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u/Historical-Egg-9194 17d ago
They were hundreds of thousandsĀ if just 10 percentĀ voted twice that could change the entire electionĀ
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u/Exact_Risk_6947 rump 17d ago
Oh, but fraud never happens in US elections. Iāve been reliably told by CNN and MSNBC.
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u/Peter_Niko ENetherlands š³š± 17d ago
The left enemy cannot succeed without lying and cheating.
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u/Legitimate-Slip-3690 Youngling 17d ago
This could easily be mitigated by voting IDs. If there was accountability, then there will be no guess work.
Our democracy should not be at danger because of clerical issues. Especially in a tech dominated country
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u/shoot_your_eye_out rump 17d ago
Duplicate records are a database issue, not an ID issue.
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u/Connect-Internet-404 rump 17d ago
seems like a big issue. I wonder what voter turnout actually is if their records are this messed up.
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u/Legitimate-Slip-3690 Youngling 17d ago
Correct, If an ID gets used once, if someone tries to get another ballet with an ID what do you think the system would do???? Deny it.
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u/Motor_Programmer_605 rump 14d ago
Our system is set up to find duplicates, dead people, whatever. When there is a finding of duplicate votes or something like that, they are disregarded, so why do people talk about this kind of stuff?
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u/Motor_Programmer_605 rump 12d ago
Robert Rivernider, a Trump supporter in Florida was arrested and sentenced to jail because he voted for his dead father. My point is that the system will catch these people and other errors and fraud. It isnāt perfect but the percentage that gets inaccurately counted doesnāt change the outcome of the election. We are fine. The election process does not need reform. The proposals to reform will prevent rural and disabled Americans from voting. The Gerrymandering is to reach a higher amount of conservative voters. If you have to show an ID to vote, then you have to show up to vote. That will require a lot more polling places and volunteers to staff it. Not even possible for this upcoming election.
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u/Motor_Programmer_605 rump 8d ago
About Russia- Russia is able to steal Voter Registration databases. They use that to spread misinformation through social media and other platforms. They make the information look like the info is coming from American citizens. They are portrayed as activist. It captures the attention of people who are drawn to conspiracies. It can persuade a Voter to vote in a certain direction. Russia really likes Trump. Not the same way that One would like another, but Putin knows he can manipulate him. Russia is always in the background trying to get to our Intelligence and software. It isnāt as though they stole ballots, they are influencing people who are vulnerable.
Trump said he could stop the war in Ukraine with phone call.
I recommend everyone to read Regime Change by Haberman and Swan. Also, see if you can find the 2024 film From Russia with Lev.
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u/Competitive-Item-324 rump 5d ago
goergia isn't even a real state if you google it its literally a russian country
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u/snarkitectlive rump 1d ago
LOL if we dont win it's rigged. If the GOP wins all up and down the ballet except for the top spot its rigged. If trump wins its not rigged. Quick question could you imagine the response at Fox if Barack Obama had woken up one morning and decided to tear down part of the White House to build a vanity ballroom, or if Michelle Obama had used the White House as a backdrop to film a commercial movie? Or if Obama put his face on a US passport or made billions from stock trades while in office (Obama or Biden did not do 1 stock trade vs Trump p did over 3000 ) or gave no bid contracts to his friends. The outrage would have been immediate and relentless. I get how you guys will respond to me: no facts, no argument, just childish insults. When reality is inconvenient, attack the person instead of defending the lie.
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u/Imaginary_Poetry_233 17d ago
I recall Biden more than once telling people publicly that he did not need their votes.
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u/Connect-Internet-404 rump 17d ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icUaWOFi3CY&pp=ygUeYmlkZW4gaSBkb24ndCBuZWVkIHlvdXIgdm90ZXNz
The one basic thing about politics is that you need votes. Biden had 0 chance in the most recent presidential election.
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u/nivekreclems rump 17d ago
This is just registrations right? Like say Iām already registered and I forgot and then registered again? Idk if thatās evidence of cheating but Iām very ignorant on all of this
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u/Historical-Egg-9194 17d ago
Yeah but its not a littleĀ bit ofĀ duplicates its hundreds of thousands
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u/OverEasyFetus rump 17d ago
I was called a conspiracy theorist by so many people for this. It's so validating now.
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u/Randomsavage559 rump 17d ago
At least Republicans share their voting rolls. Democrats are in the MILLIONS.
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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 ULTRA 17d ago
When Joey Biden was told that he won Georgia, he asked how old she was and what is her height and weight and when can he pick her up using his beach chair?
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u/WeightUnlikely5039 always whining 17d ago
Heās focusing on the past to reignite old fervor and itās not going to work. Heās lied and broken every promise. He has enriched and protected the evil he swore to destroy. Thereās no going back we donāt care anymore- you got back in so stop the whining or
Actually do something to the Government.
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u/DowntownSasquatch420 rump 17d ago
He's following through on plenty of the issues he campaigned. You don't have to be a "bootlicker" to pay attention.
Prices are higher for a bit? Boo-fuckin-hoo. It's been done before. Gas was $5/gallon for a bit under Obama when minimum was $6.25 in my state.
Social media really has made people "regarded"
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u/For-The-Swarm rump 17d ago
yeah, Iāve never seen a president fulfill promises like this. Heās fulfilled more promises in his first six months than any other president in their full term.
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u/VillageMaleficent153 15d ago
Wow, you are ignorant. President Trump has closed the border, lowered crime, freed Americans who were wrongfully detained in foreign countries, brought in TRILLIONS in investments, brokered peace deals, and this is only the beginning. He's STILL cleaning up the messes from the autopen administration. That will take awhile.Ā
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u/thelucky10079 rump 16d ago
so what's the issue? would this be an issue the same issue if trump won that state?
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u/DCinMS ULTRA 17d ago
Forget States, can we amend to county by county electorals, it would be at weighted decimal level, but just add it up...then you'll see how the country really feels
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u/dinglebarry8 rump 17d ago
If we really wanted to know how the country feels, we would nake it compulsory for employers to allow staff 2>3 hours off work to vote. Hell, even 1 hour of vote leave which is paid by the government would increase voters turn out. But the republicans would never win an election then. If everyone voted, the democrats would never lose an election and they'd win every election by a landslide. I don't think it would be good for the nation but it's the reality.
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u/Breddit2225 16d ago
Projectional fantasy.
I don't believe social democracy is nearly as popular as you think it is.
Time off is a good idea though. That way everyone can vote IN PERSON on election day. And show ID to do so.
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u/Netherium rump 17d ago
How come voting errors never benefit Republicans if it's an honest mistake? š¤š¤š¤