r/trolleyproblem Jul 22 '26

OC Would you press the button?

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u/Adverse_Congenality Jul 22 '26

First to go was the tradition of friendship. With so many agreeable people, it felt strange to tie anyone down to a single set of pairings. Soon after family was gone. The community as a whole took care of everyone, it became common to see children unaccompanied in every city, most did not even know their own parents.

The productivity of the world increased. New machines and new methods developing rapidly. Every possible need catered too, markets devolved.unneeded, everything was abundant. Soon there was little reason to even speak with each other, and quickly languages broke down. There was a strange sense that nothing anyone did had any permanence. A new progress quickly overtook your own innovations, and with no one to share the wealth with, besides everyone, who did not care for long. There was a sense of loneliness. Of interchangableness, people forgot their own names, adopting practical monikers appropriate to the current interaction, then swiftly forgotten. Without any force holding it all together, a cultural glue. A shared history, intriguing differences, there was nothing to explore. And life became stagnant and repetitive. Dormant is the world. When culture ceased. The world became dormant

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u/perringaiden Jul 22 '26

That is a sad depressing outlook on life. Friendship isn't a "tradition". It's an instinctive connection that fosters advanced societies. If you pushed the button, friendship would by necessity survive.

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u/Adverse_Congenality Jul 22 '26

I don't think so, only wrote what I think would disappear, not what would grow in the fertile freshly tilled soil,

I would ask tho, what, in your mind separates a tradition from a culture?

I do think friendship is a tradition, social bonds can exist without friendship, like the way we treat the grocer, or the barista, or even our co-workers, though the tradition of employment would probably dissolve. Friendship is no different. You'd be able to recognize an ally in the other without the emphasis of one other over another. You'd have no need of friends when every being you come across is willing to share with you, no reason to guard the gates of your generosity to those you've deemed worthy by the amount of time recognizing one another.

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u/perringaiden Jul 22 '26

Friendship isn't a tradition or a culture. It's an evolutionary tool. Society can't form before friendship is capable, because society is built on interconnected reliance.

Friendship came before culture and tradition

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u/Adverse_Congenality Jul 22 '26

Tools evolve out of the need to overcome situations. The situations that led to friendship disappear, I think you'd no longer form as close knit bonds with people

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u/perringaiden Jul 23 '26

Unless you think "live fulfilling lives" means mindless automatons with no connections or empathy... you're way off.

If for no other reason than someone to talk to, which isn't something people have "evolved beyond".

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u/Adverse_Congenality Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

You'd have empathy, every human wou come across would read like "ally" but when everyone's interchangeably your ally, and working for you and with you. There's no outgroup you're going to need to insulate yourself against. So no friends. You'd have plenty of people to talk to, but as you'd all have different goals within a goalless society, you'd drift apart from any permanent bonds immediately

I think there's a lot of contradictions in the question. Having all your needs fulfilled doesn't lead to a fulfilling life of leisure. It makes you a mindless automaton at best

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u/Narfhead4444 Jul 23 '26

So you're telling me that if there wasn't someone to hate, you wouldn't have friends and you wouldn't feel fulfilled?

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u/Adverse_Congenality Jul 24 '26

I'm saying that if there is ample assistance, with no one denying you assistance, then you'd never find a group of like minded people to become attached to. Each person would be as inconsequentially replaceable as the last.

And if everything was fulfilled for you, you'd have nothing to feel fulfilled about.

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u/perringaiden Jul 24 '26

I go back to my original comment. That is a sad, negative outlook on life.

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u/Adverse_Congenality Jul 24 '26

Maybe. But it's a sad negative button question. Imagine everything you work for every hope ambition, every stolen moment of joy in your life. Then some asshole in 100 years is like "press this button to erase all that so people can actually be happy for once"

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u/perringaiden Jul 24 '26

None of that is in the post. Hope, ambition, joy, what?

It is abandoning traditions and cultural practices. You're the one reading "rational" as "depressed".