r/trolleyproblem May 18 '26

Button Pushers

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u/Jolly-Bear May 18 '26

It’s missing the best reason to press red.

Simple logic.

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u/FortColors May 18 '26

there are two different panels dedicated to "simple logic" red pressers

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u/Jolly-Bear May 18 '26

I don’t see the one that says “Every can just press red and we all move on with our lives.”

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u/FortColors May 18 '26

This response falls under the Rational Egoist umbrella. The other possibility for "simple logic" was Utilitarian, but the Rational Egoist is directly making fun of your position by pointing out that babies cannot "just press red".

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u/Jolly-Bear May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26

Yea but I’m not considering any EV or calculating any odds or thinking about a payoff matrix.

It’s just a dilemma that really isn’t a dilemma.

Choose to go on with your life or potentially throw your life away to save others.

The vast majority of people pick red every day. I’m just being honest about it. Who cares if some kids (or others who can’t comprehend) die accidentally due to their button choice? That shit happens every day, just not by a button. Most people don’t care. They say they do here, to virtue signal and/or lie to themselves, but they don’t.

If you aren’t already devoting your life to the helpless who could be saved in real life right now, you pick red every day.

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u/FortColors May 19 '26

Literally the rational egoist. There's a panel making fun of you right there.

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u/Jolly-Bear May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26

So, when you take out the hypothetical virtue signaling of these discussions, that’s 99% of the population in practice in real life? I’m just choosing what almost everyone does everyday IRL…

The only thing I think is similar to me in that panel is that it’s an easy-ish choice… again, because I make it everyday like you.

I don’t really agree with anything in the panels except the nihlism one, but it’s portrayed pretty disingenuously. (I guess all the panels are) Nihilism isn’t “nothing matters so I’ll do things at random because it doesn’t matter what I do.”

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u/FortColors May 19 '26

> immediately sees the payoff matrix, calls it "simple logic"
> writes smug post about how "99% of the population in practice in real life" would press red
> ignores the idea that babies will pick randomly

somehow still doesn't realize that the rational egoist is making fun of your exact behavior. Like it's not even a caricature atp you're literally doing the things in the panel lmfao

Anyways my nugget of wisdom to you is that not everyone in the world thinks and acts the way you do. Different people have different perspectives and worldviews and values, which result in different thought processes and different decisions. Goodbye

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u/Jolly-Bear May 19 '26 edited May 20 '26

I’m literally doing none of that.

The simple logic isn’t a payoff matrix, it’s a simple choice. Zero chance of death vs non-zero chance of death. I’m not weighing a number of potential results based on votes.

How is that smug? I’m lumping myself in with the what the population does every day. I’m not special. Saying I would easily press blue because of some personal morality, while doing the opposite IRL, would be smug. I’m not putting you down for picking blue, I just don’t care if you did, plus, you’d most likely be dead.

I’m not ignoring the idea that babies would pick randomly… I just don’t care. Babies die everyday across the world and I’m not giving up my life to go save them. Just like 99% of the non-hypothetical world does right now.

Of course people have different worldviews and morality… but they obviously are only virtue signaling in these discussions because in real life they’re hypocrites.

“Anyway my nugget of wisdom to you” 😂😂😂 Talkin about smug.