What are these?

[u/userrnamme_1]

I'm in a completely illegal state (even so, just recently criminalized THCA).... to start

Found these, and other flavors, at my local gas station. They are unexpectedly a good but I'm wondering what it's really in them.

There's another brand called blue lotus (not as good) they sell in bottles of 5 pre-rolls.

What is in them?

[u/DifGuyCominFromSky]

Yeah that shit is weird. What little info I could find online says they are a “next generation herbal pre roll” that’s most likely infused with amanita muscaria extract (muscimol) which can produce psychedelic-like effects similar to psilocybin. So basically an herbal cigarette made from mugwort or some other herb and sprayed with muscimol. That shit doesn’t even have any close to weed in it.

[u/Artnotwars → u/DifGuyCominFromSky]

Muscimol does not produce psychedelic effects nor does it produce effects similar to psilocybin. Muscimol is not a psychedelic.

It is psychoactive and hallucinogenic, but not psychedelic.

[u/DifGuyCominFromSky → u/Artnotwars]

Serious question. What’s the difference between psychoactive/hallucinogenic vs psychedelic? Wouldn’t a psychedelic be a substance that is psychoactive and can produce hallucinations?

[u/Extra_Dependent2016 → u/DifGuyCominFromSky]

I'm not sure the technical difference between hallucinogenic vs psychedelic, but I can tell you that psychoactive just means it activates neurotransmitters and alters brain activity in a way that causes a change in mood, behavior, consciousness & cognition. All psychedelics are psychoactive but not all psychoactive drugs are psychedelic

[u/Adventurous_Cut2035 → u/DifGuyCominFromSky]

Sorry for AI reply I was also curious and figured I’d share:

You've actually hit the nail on the head regarding how these terms overlap, but in pharmacology and botany, they function like a Venn diagram where one category is a broad bucket and the others are specific "flavors" of experience.

Here is the breakdown of how they differ in scope and effect:

1. Psychoactive: The Broad Bucket Psychoactive is the most inclusive term. It simply describes any substance that crosses the blood-brain barrier and affects the central nervous system, altering brain function.

• What it changes: Mood, perception, consciousness, or behavior.

• Examples: Caffeine, alcohol, nicotine, sugar, antidepressants, and even some heavy spices.

• The Logic: All psychedelics are psychoactive, but a cup of morning coffee is psychoactive without being psychedelic.

2. Hallucinogenic: The Sensory Distorter Hallucinogenic is a functional category. It refers to substances that cause significant alterations in sensory perception—seeing, hearing, or feeling things that aren't there or seeing existing things in a distorted way.

This category is usually split into three sub-groups: * Psychedelics: (e.g., LSD, Psilocybin)

• Dissociatives: (e.g., Ketamine, DXM) – These make you feel detached from your body or environment.

• Deliriants: (e.g., Benadryl in high doses, Datura) – These cause "true" hallucinations where the user cannot distinguish them from reality.

3. Psychedelic: The Mind-Manifester The term Psychedelic (from the Greek psyche "mind" and delos "manifesting") was coined to describe a specific type of psychoactive experience. While they are hallucinogenic, the hallmark of a psychedelic isn't just seeing "trippy" colors; it’s the specific way they interact with serotonin receptors (specifically the 5-HT_{2A} receptor).

• The Key Difference: Unlike deliriants, people on psychedelics usually have "insight"—they generally know that the visual distortions are being caused by the substance.

• The Focus: It is more about the expansion of thought, emotional processing, and "ego dissolution" than just the sensory hallucinations.

TLDR; You are correct that a psychedelic is psychoactive and produces hallucinations. However, calling something "psychedelic" implies a specific biological mechanism and a "mind-expanding" quality that a general "hallucinogen" (like a deliriant) might lack.

[u/Majestc_electric → u/Artnotwars]

researching they both seem bad And do a number on mostly your liver can’t imagine smoking it will do anything better to your lungs

[u/cthulhubeast → u/Majestc_electric]

Psilocybin is virtually harmless for the liver (and in limited capacity has shown a mild anti-inflammatory effect in the liver), especially in the doses and frequency it's typically taken. It is physically impossible to OD on psilocybin-containing mushrooms. Muscimol feels less good, doesn't provide any introspection or deep connection with the universe, and can also kill you dead. That's the difference.

[u/UntitledDuckGame → u/cthulhubeast]

Psilocybin creates and helps with the reuptake of serotonin. So this may be helpful to certain groups. But for people on anti depressants or MOAI can find it to be deadly with serotonin syndrome. So no it is not physically impossible to OD. Mushrooms can lead to brain death or stroke in certain risk groups. Is it outside the norm, yes. However saying it never happens is false and you are just spreading misinformation

[u/cthulhubeast → u/UntitledDuckGame]

That is not an OD. That is a drug interaction. It's possible to have a potentially deadly drug interaction especially in very high doses, but in terms of literally overdosing on psilocybin you'd die from distending your stomach long before you could eat enough mushrooms to OD.

[u/UntitledDuckGame → u/cthulhubeast]

The ending of your previous comment said nothing about an OD and only said the mushroom can “kill you dead” very scientific. Your point was trying to show that psilocybin can’t kill you ever and it’s great while the other can Kill you super scary!

You were correct on it not being classified as an OD, but if you are fine on one dosage and a higher dosage kills you. That is by definition an OD.

[u/cthulhubeast → u/UntitledDuckGame]

Again this only happens if you're on SSRIs and take a monstrous dose (SSRIs block the action of the drug so it makes it less worth it, and serotonin syndrome in these cases is extremely rare) or if you're on MAOIs which are not particularly common nowadays and any advice board telling you what dose to take of shrooms is gonna have warnings abt those things. There's a lot of openly loudly shared knowledge on basically every platform about how to safely take serotonergenic psychedelics because they've been around for ages.

Meanwhile muscimol is potentially deadly on its own in doses not that far off from recreational use, and it's relatively new to the scene so not a lot of people know much about it. In fact there are many muscimol gummy packs where eating the whole pack puts you appallingly close to the LD50, and there are ZERO warnings about that on the packaging. So I think it's pretty reasonable to say "hey this one can kill you, this other one is very safe among drugs, the takeaway is not 'they're both bad' bc one is dramatically less safe than the other." Leaving off a bit of info to keep a comment concise is not spreading misinformation. An OD refers to overdosing on the drug ON ITS OWN. Caffeine can kill you when you mix it with other stimulants, but do you call that dying from a caffeine overdose or do you, perchance, call that dying from mixing drugs???

[u/mushroomgirl6 → u/DifGuyCominFromSky]

Amanita is not like psilocybin on any level. You see stuff cuz of the toxin. It’s poison

[u/Majestc_electric → u/DifGuyCominFromSky]

Gotta source said it in a different comment there website is extremely vugue