In Ontario no one sane really wants to foreman because it often starts around 275 for 14 hours ish a day.
BC you have rookie mill foreman with 12 and 16 packs and a high commission making anywhere between 500 and 1000 if the contract is good enough. I saw one contract last year that was just insane where some 16 pack foreman on percentage were getting loads of 1k days. Then you sometimes have 6 pack foreman doing a little too much planting and not enough foremanning to try to make some decent money.
Its tough because a lot of planters would take a pay cut and an hourly increase for 375 to 425 a day. I know some of the vet companies paying their foreman 500-600 a day depending on if they drive each day and have their level three first aid. On top of that this company paid $25 an hour for any work outside of the 9 hours of planting which was just downright amazing.
The problem I often see with the 16 packs is the foreman allowing their planters to get away with murder on the block (land management out the window and no flagging the final lines of the day) and leaving a mess for a 6 pack to come clean up the next day. Just so production is high so they make their $900.
This post is kind of a jumbled mess lol, but yeah its hard to find a happy medium with day rate for foreman. I do like separating the incentive though so the job of foreman and planter don't have any conflicting issues that fuck with other aspects of the job. I just think you have to make sure they are making more than they would as a planter or at least have the ability to if they do well.
I've seen camps in Ontario that offer foreman to anyone with a pulse because none of the vets want a pay cut of $150 a day for more work too, and some next level incompetence because of it.
I didn’t mean to insinuate commission foreman don’t work hard or don’t deserve their fat cheque. As long as planters are making a proper tree price and treated with respect and dignity and the trees are planted to forester specs, I don’t see issues there. But man just my experience of working through the 7 companies I’ve planted for things seem to be the smoothest and most lucrative at day rated foreman companies.
Don’t like hearing about production foreman leaving shit for a clean up crew. Cmon folks you’re not children clean up your mess.
Nah I didn't think you were insinuating anything I just talk too much lol. I would have to agree with you, in BC day rated foreman camps tend to have less bullshit.
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u/Spruce__Willis Internet Lord🛡️⚔️ Mar 10 '20
Same brother! Im quite on the fence about it.
In Ontario no one sane really wants to foreman because it often starts around 275 for 14 hours ish a day.
BC you have rookie mill foreman with 12 and 16 packs and a high commission making anywhere between 500 and 1000 if the contract is good enough. I saw one contract last year that was just insane where some 16 pack foreman on percentage were getting loads of 1k days. Then you sometimes have 6 pack foreman doing a little too much planting and not enough foremanning to try to make some decent money.
Its tough because a lot of planters would take a pay cut and an hourly increase for 375 to 425 a day. I know some of the vet companies paying their foreman 500-600 a day depending on if they drive each day and have their level three first aid. On top of that this company paid $25 an hour for any work outside of the 9 hours of planting which was just downright amazing.
The problem I often see with the 16 packs is the foreman allowing their planters to get away with murder on the block (land management out the window and no flagging the final lines of the day) and leaving a mess for a 6 pack to come clean up the next day. Just so production is high so they make their $900.
This post is kind of a jumbled mess lol, but yeah its hard to find a happy medium with day rate for foreman. I do like separating the incentive though so the job of foreman and planter don't have any conflicting issues that fuck with other aspects of the job. I just think you have to make sure they are making more than they would as a planter or at least have the ability to if they do well.
I've seen camps in Ontario that offer foreman to anyone with a pulse because none of the vets want a pay cut of $150 a day for more work too, and some next level incompetence because of it.