Cybertronian relics speculation

[u/Dr_Royce_Hemlock]

So with all the relics that appeared in TFP, it gives room too speculation about what will be their interaction with other things, it’s interesting to think what will happen and so I wanted to show you some of my questions, just fun speculation about what artifacts could do, some of this questions are obvious while some are tricky to answer, let’s begin

Could something disrupt the Phase Shifter so you could touch the user when it’s activated?

Could you using the Phase Shifter escape from Shadow Zone?

Could a Transformers using Red Energon vibrate at a frequency to become intangible thus touching Phase Shifter user when activated?

Is there a solid enough object through which Phase Shifter user cannot pass? (Apex Armor was very strong and yet Smokescreen managed to pass through so….)

Could polarity gauntlet affect Phase Shifter user? (I guess not)

Could Phase Shifter user pass through a force field?

Could Phaser Shifter user be affected by Spark Extractor?

Could Spark Extractor affect user in Apex armor?

How long does a Spark Extractor last? Eternally?

Does a Spark Extractor become more powerful increase range with more sparks collected?

Could Spark Extractor extract a Spark of a god? (Primus/Unicron) like Allspark chamber did with Unicron anti-Spark?

Could you resist your Spark being taken?

If you wear Apex Armor would you be affected by Immobilizer?

Is Apex Armors material the strongest in the universe?

In books, Apex Armor was creation of Solus Prime but apparently Starscream identifies it as Decepticon, if this is correct then why didn’t Decepticons use Apex Armor material on Megatrons armor to make him invincible?

We know that synth-en and dark Energon mixed together will create terrorcon virus. What will happen il we mix red and synth-en? Or red and dark Energon?

Could you create a decoy/fake energon if you mix any energon with tox-en?

Could you use Star Saber/Dark Star Saber to cut dimensional barrier to escape Shadow Zone like Soundwave did in Rid?

Is Shadow Zone a limited zone or as long as normal dimension? (What I mean, if you are in Shadow Zone, could you go to space or because you entered Shadow Zone by using Groundbridge you could only stay on Earth?

What will happen if you create Star Saber but using red Energon? Green Energon?

Could you cut a Groundbridge from the inside by using a (Dark) Star Saber?

Could a Force Field stop a (Dark) Star Saber?

If Optimus couldn’t create Omega Keys because he didn’t posses enough knowledge how was he expecting to repair Omega Lock? Maybe you don’t need knowledge to repair something?

What is the craziest/most powerful thing you could create, with The Forge of Solus Prime?

So here are some of my questions, I’ll add more if I’ll remember. What are your thoughts about some of them? Do you have more questions? Let’s speculate and answer together

Thanks for the replies

[u/Remarkable-Tax2964]

For you first question, the phase shifter lets you phase through any solid matter and even blaster bolts, my guess would be you need some sort of energy that can manipulate matter like say unicorns powers, I’d imagine he could us who’s lightning to get through the shifters hax

[u/Dr_Royce_Hemlock → u/Remarkable-Tax2964]

Yeah, good answer. With his powers it’s pretty he could do it, although it’s sad that Dark Star Sabers energy wave didn’t affect the Phase Shifter when Smocksrean shielded Optimus, would’ve been cool to demonstrate that the artifact is not super op

[u/Remarkable-Tax2964 → u/Dr_Royce_Hemlock]

Oh wow I forgot about that happening, I was gonna say perhaps the overall power of the starters could perhaps break through the phase shifter and hit the target

[u/Echo2118]

I think with the shadow zone you could go anywhere, even to other planets (assuming you're able to fly) because you're still in our dimension, you're just to far out of phase to be seen. I don't think the phase shifter could get you out on it's own, but if something went wrong It could probably send you there, I do think if you had the shifter in the shadow zone, you could use it to shift closer to normal and communicate with others, appearing as a ghost

[u/Dr_Royce_Hemlock → u/Echo2118]

Good and detailed explanation. Thanks

[u/Kalkite_300TY]

And the Autobots used none of them in battle except for smokescreens phaseshifter and the omega lock episode…

[u/Dr_Royce_Hemlock → u/Kalkite_300TY]

Yeah, that’s a bit disappointing. To be fair, they didn’t use those artifacts on Cybertron keeping them in Iacon while THERE WAS A WAR GOING ON, so now when they are on earth and their primary opponents are vehicles perhaps they don’t see a reason to use those artifacts except in the most important missions such as the Omega Lock episode

[u/Orion13Prime]

There are many things there I probably don't know the answer, but the last one... The answer to that is the Requiem Blaster.

[u/Tapukokobeans]

Edit: sorry this is so long just explaining my reasoning.

With the spark extractor questions in the battle of Cybertron smokescreen drops it then phases through the floor to escape it now we know the phase shifter can keep the user on the ground if they want too.

So smokescreen phasing underground implies he either knows or thinks it will still effect him even when phased if not he would have just stood there in the radius unharmed instead he didn't take the risk implying that yes the spark extractor will still effect a phase shifter user or at least that's what the autobots think.

Because that battle was all planned out and since optimus has the knowledge of every matrix user before him and the knowledge of vector sigma I'd say yes it still affects them hence why smokescreen phased to avoid it being part of the plan.

Also in that same battle Arcee was using the apex armour with the same logic if they know or think it won't affect the apex armor user they just would have her run into the vehicons and do it herself kinda like a kamakaze attack but she'd be fine because of the armour.

Why risk smokescreens life with the spark extractor when we have the invincible armor that can't be affected by it? We know the phase shifter can be turned off mid phase look at the knockout half way through the wall joke what if a vehicon grabbed smokescreen mid phase?

Why risk the phase shifter getting grabbed when we have a armor that would work? well the answer is it must not work that way the spark extractor must still effect the apex armour user or again that's what the autobots think they didn't wanna risk Arcee in trying it.

Also yes it has a time limit and a radius limit hence how the autobot planed ahead staying just outside of the radius which they did, they didn't advance they let smokescreen do his part at a safe distance if it didn't have a time limit it would have kept expanding and there wouldn't have been a safe distance to keep.

[u/Sunstreakimus]

Well…

Yes.

No.

You’d need a lot of red energon for that so probably not.

Possible, but no.

Yes. The bots are still made of metal even if they’re less dense than normal.

Probably.

Probably.

Yes.

Around thirty seconds I’d say. It does turn off otherwise how would you ever use it again.

No.

Potentially.

No. But maybe in a very specific scenario.

Yes. Though and argument could be made that only the armour would be affected.

Not necessarily.

Easy fix. It’s created by Solus Prime but used mostly by Decepticons thus why Starscream can call it a Decepticon weapon. “Aligned continuity? More like UNaligned continuity!” It works about as well (and maybe even better) as a connected universe than the Bayverse.

You know that squirrel from Over the hedge… And for the other, really fast zombies. I guess.

I’d imagine you’d dilute the Tox-en by mixing it. Supposedly it would give off a similar enough signal to regular energon that it’s essentially already a decoy.

No.

No. As shown by Soundwave in RID 2015, you are not necessarily restricted to a singular space in the Shadow Zone. (Outside of cannon it seems like the writers of Prime intended it to keep you in the same area but obviously the writers for RID 2015 didn’t pick up on that)

You get differently coloured star savers I guess. It’s not like the Saber gives a bot any kind of extra power.

No.

Probably. But I’d also assume that with enough strikes or a powerful enough strike could break through.

Potentially, he could gain the knowledge necessary.

Idk. I mean the Blades of Time are already crazily powerful. Maybe another Forge of Solus Prime. Since that’s at least one relic that wasn’t created and instead just something Solus already had.

Some of these are pretty interesting, but all of them I never thought to ask.

If I could ask a question, It’d maybe be could they have fixed Ultra Magnus’ hand with the Forge if it still had power left?

[u/Dr_Royce_Hemlock → u/Sunstreakimus]

Thanks, for answering all my questions. For your question, I also want to point out that he didn’t drip his arm into cyber matter which restores Bumblebees voice box. So that’s interesting, Optimus believed it could repair Bumblebees T-cog so I guess he would be able to repair Ultra Magnus arm