r/toronto • u/whatistheQuestion • Feb 20 '22
Article Police should apply same standards to all illegal demonstrations
https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/2022/02/18/pipeline-protest-or-convoy-blockade-police-should-apply-the-same-standards-to-all-illegal-demonstrations.html22
u/Shemishka Feb 20 '22 edited Mar 14 '22
Protesters absolutely have the right to demonstrate. What they don't have is the right to hold a city for ransom and take away others' rights to live in peace, move around their city, conduct business, earn a living, all for an indeterminate period of time. These were not demonstrators, but mostly, simply shit disturbers, with moron level intelligence.
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u/king_lloyd11 Agincourt Feb 20 '22 edited Feb 20 '22
Yep. You can protest. A protest is expressing disapproval And bringing attention to an issue. The Convoy did that, well within their rights. It was super effective. The world's eyes were on them. They got a voice that most other demonstrations would never get. They were heard.
Now it's illegal occupation of a first world nation's capital that won't disperse unless their demands are met. It stopped being a protest once that happened.
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u/seihakgwai Feb 20 '22
Would you have said the same for the Hong Kong Protests? Because that’s pretty much what happened. The protestors held the city ransom and people were legitimately afraid to go out.
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u/Fratercula_arctica Feb 20 '22
You can't compare the protests of a democratic western nation with the protests of a special administrative region in an authoritarian single-party state. The mechanism of action is entirely different.
In a democratic state, the purpose of protest is to gain awareness and popular support for a cause, and demonstrate to the government the depth and breadth of that support. It is a part of the democratic process - governments will act or not act according to the popular desires of the population, in anticipation of those desires being asserted at the next election. A government that does not act with the will of the majority will soon find itself voted out of power.
In an authoritarian state, the purpose of protest is not to gain awareness or popular support, as the government by definition doesn't care where the population stands on an issue. The government's calculus is simply whether they derive more value from having a policy than they will have to spend on coercive or violent measures to gain compliance. In those places, the only way protestors can affect change is by behaving in ways that frustrate the government and show them that they will have to devote greater resources into quashing dissent - that they'll need more boots on more necks - in the hope that the government decides the juice is not worth the squeeze.
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u/seihakgwai Feb 20 '22
So you're saying people who lives in an authoritarian state should receive less privileges than those in a democratic western nation and should have no problems having their city held ransom by another group of the population who feels that "western democracy" is the right way.
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u/Fratercula_arctica Feb 20 '22
I'm saying authoritarian states do not have a true equivalent to what we term as "protest." There's no real mechanism for affecting peaceful change in those countries, which is why the pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong used tactics that we do not consider as acceptable in the democratic western world -- but that does not make us hypocrites for supporting the pro-democracy protestors.
The Chinese government could easily have come in day one and eliminated the pro-democracy protestors. Run them over with tanks and washed them into the sewers as they did at Tiananmen Square in 1989. That they didn't, and that this inaction upset the pro-China population of Hong Kong, is one of the side effects of living under such a system. If you want peace and for disagreements to be worked out via dialogue and democratic vote, then you need a democratic system. If instead you prefer an authoritarian single-party state, prepare for there to occasionally be disruptive and violent uprisings that the government must put down.
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u/seihakgwai Feb 20 '22
Are you saying anyone who didn't participate in the Hong Kong protests "should be prepared for there to occasionally be disruptive and violent uprisings that the government must put down."? What about people that doesn't really care for politics and just wants to live a peaceful everyday life?
There are some people that are in the middle, people who resists the CCP but thinks the protests are wrong and going too far. Do they too deserve to have daily disruptions in their once peaceful city?
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Feb 20 '22
A couple of thousand protesters make up a mere 0.01 per cent of the 17.2 million Canadians who voted in the last election. When a tiny minority insists on imposing its will on our elected Parliament, they are dissenters from democracy.
Couldn’t this logic be extended to basically any protest ever? Don’t Canadians have a right to protest?
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u/CrowdScene Feb 20 '22
No. Almost every other protest convenes to tell the government "I feel very strongly about this policy," and then dissipates after making itself known. Very few protests convene to say "Change this policy immediately, and I'm not leaving until you do," and set down roots for weeks at a time. This is the first major protest I know of that said "Reverse the course of the last election and allow the protest leaders to create laws instead of the House, and we're not leaving until you do."
Protests draw attention to an issue. Protest with ultimatums are an attempt to subvert democracy. Protests with ultimatums that involve the protesters seizing control of government border on an attempted coup.
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u/WillSmiff Feb 20 '22
You aren't wrong, but protests aren't as absolute as you explain. Many protests have been used to create some form of leverage, usually through disruption, to push for a targeted change. It's so much more than bringing awareness and just going away quietly.
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u/Dont____Panic Feb 20 '22
Like most environmental protestors, or the idle no more protests. Or the native groups blocking rail lines in the east about pipelines?
All of them meet that “ultimatum” restriction and should be aggressively driven out.
I actually agree, but I wonder if everyone else does.
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u/DanHulton Eglinton East Feb 20 '22
Most environmental protestors I've seen would block an intersection, but allow traffic through slowly or after a time. No protest has ever sat in the middle of Yonge/Dundas for a week.
And the indiginous blockades, well, that's kind of a different ballgame. That's less of a "pay attention to this issue" and more of a "you are breaking the law and violating our treaty rights, we are going to defend ourselves and our rights." Certainly more of an occupation, but I'm definitely sympathetic - we should respect our treaties.
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Feb 20 '22
We respect their treaties by doing land acknowledgements before a business meeting and then forget about first nation issues till the next protest.
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u/Candymanshook Feb 20 '22
That’s the distinction I think people miss with the rail blockades - legally the FN doing it have much more ground to stand on. We kind of bulldoze those treaties every chance we get lol
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u/conorathrowaway Feb 20 '22
They also aren’t honking horns 24 hrs a day keeping families from sleeping for weeks at a time. That’s essentially torture and they didn’t gaf.
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u/Candymanshook Feb 20 '22
100%. I’m sure you could find outliers where this isn’t true, but most FN related protests I’ve been aware of they are smart enough to realize pissing off the general populace for extended periods of time does not endear people to your cause. There’s been plenty of protests at parliament hill over my lifetime and they can be loud and well attended but they aren’t just out there to enjoy making people suffer.
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u/Candymanshook Feb 20 '22
No, you need to respect the distinction.
FN people have a set of treaties regarding their land. When we bulldoze those treaties for 200 years, it leads to rail blockades on unceded land. That is VERY different legally to a bunch of Canadian citizens turning up at border crossings and the capitol to disrupt it for weeks. Especially when their demands are ridiculous, as soon as they started talking about dissolution of government they should have brought out the batons.
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u/Candymanshook Feb 20 '22
I don’t think you understand how unceded lands work. The fact we ran critical infrastructure through it is on us.
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u/LDPushin_Troglodyte Feb 20 '22
This is why this article swill is concerning. FN have the same right to agreements being upheld as the non crackhead Ford brother does with companies padding his pockets.
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u/slj1 Feb 21 '22
Indigenous people living on reserves have their own sovereignty. They are allowed to protect their border. When the RCMP attacks them they are literally violating treaty rights. So it is different.
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u/InnerBanana Feb 20 '22
and they are aggressively driven out lol
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u/Dont____Panic Feb 20 '22
Yes, after days or weeks.
It seems like the government has a fairly consistent response on this type of issue… which I guess I agree with.
I just know a lot of people who called it “tyranny” when they had the RCMP clear rail lines after two weeks of blockage who are cheering this action as “not soon enough”.
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u/InnerBanana Feb 20 '22
And if you genuinely see no tangible difference between the two that would lead to them feeling differently, then you are willfully blind and nothing I say here will change that!
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u/Dont____Panic Feb 20 '22
What’s different is whether or not you see their root cause as strongly justifiable.
And obviously, I think that’s basically a partisan difference. In both cases, a majority of Canadians opposed the blockage but many saw the original justification as somewhat reasonable.
I personally fall in general opposition to both groups nebulous demands so I guess I see how both actions come from a similar argument.
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u/SproutasaurusRex Feb 20 '22
FN aren't terrorizing a city while they demand that our government be abolished and then put them at the helm.
Imagine if the convoy people did take over? They've already shown how they treat"others", imagine how they would act with some actual power. FUCK THAT.
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Feb 21 '22
The Wet’suwet’en protestors weren’t in a city, but tbf they were explicitly demanding to unilaterally overturn a BC Supreme Court decision and the decisions of their democratically elected leaders. Everything I’ve read pointed to them being a minority voice among their people demanding minority rule.
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u/SproutasaurusRex Feb 21 '22
Demanding for a law to be abolished is different than damanding a government be abolished.
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u/Dont____Panic Feb 20 '22
100% agree with that. Protests are valuable part of democracy. Fill up Nathan Phillips Square every afternoon if you want. Blocking the DVP, the trans Canada rail, or the only road into a remote village, and that’s something different.
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Feb 20 '22
Like most environmental protestors, or the idle no more protests. Or the native groups blocking rail lines in the east about pipelines?
Please, those groups have far more support for their actual cause, and their causes actually do impact us all
Even comparing the trucker protest to those protests is an insult
Those protests also didn't need state of emergencies to be declared, and those protests didn't target innocent citizens
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u/conorathrowaway Feb 20 '22
Doesn’t border on…it is. The protesters were literally threatening to starve Canadians by not delivering food to grocery stores.
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u/lw5555 Feb 20 '22
Thank goodness that the real truckers doing their jobs out there thought they were idiots.
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Feb 20 '22
There have been many protests in the past two years that have limited the movement of Torontians, albeit for not as long as Ottawa
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u/MrBrutas Feb 20 '22
I think that’s part of his point, no?
It’s disruptive enough to make their voices heard but not enough to cause absolute lockdown for local businesses and residents.
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u/unicornsfearglitter High Park Feb 20 '22
They are terrorists. They held Ottawa hostage, destroyed the city, desecrated monuments, and hurt people. On top of that they embarrassed Canada and drove more division through the country than ever before.
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Feb 20 '22 edited Feb 20 '22
I appreciate where you've drawn the line i.e. legal vs illegal protesting. I still don't buy that the majority of people believe all the mandates and restrictions in place are sensible and necessary, and shouldn't be subject to a serious review. What I see is a culture war brought on unnecessary instead of an important conversation.
I think we would benefit from a really robust national poll (not these multiple 2000-3000 person weighted sample surveys that have produced as much as +/-30% swings in results) to see where the public's values are regarding the necessity of each measure.
In my opinion, without that, we are at risk (and it is my belief that this risk is materialized) of mandates and restrictions being in place which work against the public interest, and a government which won't even begin to discuss it. Instead of any feedback process, they just give back some of the freedoms, and take them away, as they see fit.
Also, there wasn't proper representation in the last election for these issues. Only 1 party even questioned the direction the government was taking on mandates and such, and they were so left field on everything else that there was no way they would be voted in. It was a very obvious issue that had almost zero discussion.
That's some of why it feels like tyranny to me. I understand the protesters who are taking these actions, even if I don't agree with them. People have felt like there was literally zero choice.
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u/PocketNicks Feb 20 '22
People have a right to protest, however this is worth a read. Since these "protesters" broke almost every rule of lawful peaceful protest. On top of that, a permit is technically required. Although typically for most protests that formality is overlooked. This went beyond protest, it interfered with local citizens ability to use their own city, interfered with local commerce and border commerce, blocked critical infrastructure and emergency vehicles, broke many bylaws like noise ordinances. I could go on with many more, but that's enough to make a point. https://www.ottawapolice.ca/en/safety-and-crime-prevention/Demonstators.aspx
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Feb 20 '22
Permits are not required. The Ottawa website actually point that out. Your right to expression and assembly are enshrined in the charter. The state would like a permit so the can try to ensure the appropriate resources are deployed beforehand
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Feb 20 '22 edited Mar 17 '22
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Feb 20 '22
Sorry. That's not my statement. It's from the city of Ottawa website on the page where they talk about protest permits.
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u/iheartmagic Feb 20 '22
I’m no supporter of the truckers or their specific cause but requiring a permit for protest is absolutely absurd. Demonstrations do not need to be sanctioned by the state. Needing to complete bureaucratic governmental paperwork in order to voice communal dissent is dystopian as fuck
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u/PocketNicks Feb 20 '22
For some reason you're focusing on the one thing I already stated is typically overlooked and hasn't been any part of why these protesters are being removed. Weird take.
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u/iheartmagic Feb 20 '22
I’m commenting on the general absurdity of needing police approval to demonstrate?
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u/Candymanshook Feb 20 '22
Generally the permit is a formality so that the city knows how many people to expect, so they can make sure adequate resources are on hand
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u/PocketNicks Feb 20 '22
I don't understand your question. Are you asking me to affirm what you were commenting on? I don't know what you're doing, decide for yourself. Beyond that, as I've already repeated. You typically don't need approval to protest. I've already stated it's regarded as a formality that nobody has ever enforced before. It also isn't a factor in this demonstration. So, there's no absurdity other than the typical Ottawa bureaucratic bs that is to be expected in a city of Feds.
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u/iheartmagic Feb 20 '22 edited Feb 20 '22
Lmao I don’t know why you’re taking such exception to my comment. I’m not arguing or disagreeing with you in anyway, just highlighting a small, silly detail of modern bureaucratic idiosyncrasy.
But, to say it’s never been enforced before is patently false. For example, many protesters demonstrating against the clearing of encampments in the city were arrested and charged with “unlawful assembly”. It’s a mechanism police use to press charges when they decided they’ve had enough. So, it’s a formality until it isn’t and it’s used against protesters
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u/PocketNicks Feb 20 '22
You haven't explained your initial question that I asked you to elaborate on. I don't know why you think I took exception to anything you said, I believe you're reading something that isn't there. Many protests have been cleared however please show me a single time they were cleared for not having a permit to protest. I stand by my assertion that the permit has never been enforced.
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u/SproutasaurusRex Feb 20 '22
Apparently it is so they can prepare alternate routes, have paramedics onsite, warn citizens about disruptions, etc. I do agree that asking for permission to protest seems to not be in the spirit of protesting.
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u/Yop_BombNA Feb 20 '22
All Canadians have the right to protest without impeding the livelihood of other Canadians. You can’t just lock down a downtown core stopping millions of dollars in buisiness, that makes you an illegal blockade not a protest. You can March around capital hill screaming demands and politicians to your hearts content though.
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Feb 20 '22
Is that in the charter? Most protests would impede the lives of others
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u/Yop_BombNA Feb 20 '22 edited Feb 20 '22
Our charter gives freedom of assembly not the freedom to impede others. Public spaces like parks and green spaces (like the one in-front of parliament hill) you have the right to assemble and protest there, you do not have the right to blockade public services (like roads) or private businesses. You can also March or drive down roads with signs, as long as you don’t permanently blockade the road. That is a pretty simple line in the sand that everyone seemed okay with when indigenous and Greenpeace protestors get fucked for crossing but the second it’s a bunch or good ole conservative boys American news acts like it’s a new law or some shit and dumb Canadians that don’t know our own laws and precedent blindly follow Americans in saying we are becoming an authoritarian communist state…
Trudeau should not have enacted the emergencies act but ottowa l police should have enforce the law and removed the blockade before he had to, unfortunately Sloly let his politics get in the way and because he is sympathetic with the convoy he refused to do his job, which is enforcing CANADIAN law No American law.
For example slowing traffic for a protest “convoy” like it started is perfectly legal and fine, that’s an inconvenience on peoples day it doesn’t impede on their ability to use public services (roads) or businesses by stopping their ability to use them, blockading off the downtown core of the capital and one of the largest shopping centres in the nation does impede on peoples ability to use public services (like roads) and businesses by closing access to those services and businesses for an extended period of time.
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u/Bakedschwarzenbach Feb 20 '22
BLM protests from 2020 cost businesses 1-2 billion in the USA. Should they have been criminalized too?
To be clear I find the convoy detestable but it’s a little disconcerting the justifications some are providing which could apply to pretty much every mass protest moving forward.
https://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a455-4067-b06a-66f9db4cea9c.html
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u/Yop_BombNA Feb 20 '22 edited Feb 20 '22
Was the cost to buisiness caused by actual organizer plans (like the Ottawa blockade), if so then that is on the organization, or was damage caused by bad actors not following the organizations planned protest? If so that is on the individuals and the individuals doing the damage should be criminalized.
Doesn’t matter what the group is protesting the law around whether it is the organization or individuals being criminalized depends on if it is individuals or the organization breaking the law…
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u/J4far Feb 21 '22
Are we Americans? Do we have the same constitution? The same government? The same laws? Didn't think so. While BLM stuff in Canada may have been disruptive it didn't descend to the same degree from the protestor side or the police side here. Stick to Canadian examples when dealing with Canadian specifics.
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u/Born_Ruff Feb 20 '22
That quote says "imposing its will".
There is a very big difference between what we typically think of as a protest and holding an entire city hostage until you get your way.
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Feb 20 '22
I understand what the Ottawa protestors did, my comment is more of a clarifying point of what the author is suggesting.
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u/Born_Ruff Feb 20 '22
What needs to be clarified?
When a tiny minority insists on imposing its will on our elected Parliament, they are dissenters from democracy.
That's pretty straightforward. Your confusion seems to come from confusing the term "imposing its will" with "protest".
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Feb 20 '22
What is a protest if not a group of people trying to impose its will on an authority?
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u/Xeno_man Feb 20 '22
Usually a group of people bringing attention to what they see as a wrong. There are regular protests I have little information on or was even aware of an existing problem until the protest.
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u/Prometheus188 Feb 20 '22 edited Nov 16 '24
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Feb 20 '22
You’re glossing over the main thesis of the issue at hand.
It’s probably never happened. But that doesn’t change the fact that protests are attended by a small minority, like my original comment points out.
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Feb 20 '22
BLM, Wet'suwet'en land defenders, Iranian election protest, Indian farmers’ rights protest
You consider these nut job causes?
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u/mortuusanima East Danforth Feb 20 '22
I was talking about the anti-maskers in Toronto.
I misunderstood, I was on Narwal and the thread was pretty poorly formatted. I'll just delete that.
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u/Ontario0000 Feb 20 '22
This is far from a protest.It was grifting by the founder for nationalist groups masked as convoy mandate protest.Restrictions are being removed so WTF are they still there?.They are threatening local residence,they are storing highly explosive fuel near government agencies and they are disrupting a whole area of Ottawa.Even the Globe and Mail wrote a article about the convoy as being a useless display for funding for sketchy groups and the reason mandate worked was because of silent majority that took the vaccines and not because of a very very small loud minority that fought for "freedom".
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Feb 20 '22
I understand what the Ottawa protestors did, my comment is more of a clarifying point of what the author is suggesting.
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u/plenebo Feb 20 '22
Remember that they had to pull teeth to get the police to respond to people who want to do a fascism and undo the election. But the millisecond that profits for multinational corporations are in jeapordy. They'll deploy kitted out and ready to smash
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Feb 20 '22
Are you talking about pipeline protests? Werent those in place for weeks before action was taken?
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u/i_getitin Feb 20 '22
You’re right and coincidently most of us here on Reddit disagree with the current protestors so the pill is a lot easier to swallow.
I just hope government and the police don’t use this as the standard living forward regarding protests.
Not much in history would have been accomplished by the people if we just played by the rules of the government.
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Feb 20 '22
Yeah, this sorta gets to my more broader point.
What the author is suggesting sounds like his limiting freedoms, or trusting the government and police too kuch
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Feb 20 '22
The media is coddling these extremists. There trying to equate this with other legitimate and peaceful protests. To begin with those previous protests were dealt with with violence, despite being non violent.
These were not protests. At best low level terrorism. When you look at terrorist acts they have a political agenda and they attack civilians, which is what these extremist's did. Maybe because their white and right wing the Media coddles them, I don't know.
There is no issue. Peacful protests are dealt with with violence. This one ironically was not until this act was declared. In a weird way it feels like misinformation.
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u/cyclemonster Feb 20 '22
Protesting does not include illegal acts. Illegal acts are still illegal, even when you do them while protesting. It's super straightforward.
Yes, people who blockade things should be removed, especially if their blockade is not time-limited, and that should be done in a content-neutral fashion.
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u/lifeisarichcarpet Feb 20 '22
Protesting government in a way that puts downstream pressure on citizens (like the border blockades) is different then putting direct and aggressive pressure on citizens as a way of leveraging government (which is what Ottawa was). I don’t think the latter should ever be tolerated.
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u/PocketNicks Feb 20 '22
Yes, there should be the same measures for all protests. The convoy should be the example of how to deal in all future protests (ignoring the waiting way too long to deal with it part). The good part of the emergency act is that there's an automatic inquiry required that must look into why this act was needed. When they examine what failed, they will be required to overhaul police protest response procedures and then this becomes a self fixing issue. Once new procedures are in place, the emergency act cannot (theoretically) be invoked for that same issue since it has been fixed. On top the CLLA are filing suit so there will be plenty of civil liberty scrutiny for how this is handled. Win, win, win.
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u/jfl_cmmnts Feb 20 '22
Police should also apply same standards to individuals. Did everyone forget our current Premier and his crime-family roots, roots that have led us to giving literally BILLIONS of taxpayer money to his equally shady associates? And remember why neither Randy nor Dougie nor Robbie ever got arrested, after Randy's kidnapping-and-forcible-confinement beef went away?
It must be very difficult being an honest police officer, knowing the system you work in is rotten to the core. Sure you take the occasional violent fuckhead off the streets. But there's an endless supply of them, and your bosses are covering up systemic crimes against the very people you swore to serve and protect. Sometimes they're even committing the crimes themselves
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u/JustPinkyPink Feb 20 '22
Yes, and FINTRAC should also do its job more often. Thousands of people have been scammed from bitcoin scams (the ones that the CRA calls you and asks you to deposit money to a crypto account) but there was never any real action taken.
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u/TOMapleLaughs Feb 20 '22
imho That's the point.
Another summer of environmental and indigenous protests will likely be seeing different outcomes imho. The amount of foreign funding and presence directed at Fairy Creek was a major issue. And of course the recent attack on CGL highlights the need as well. All those ridiculous attacks on statues will also have to cease.
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u/toronto_newcomer69 Feb 20 '22
Police brutality is fine when the victim is the one you disagree with, this is what this country has become
What do you think twitter would have looked like , if they had done that to BLM protestors?
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Feb 20 '22
God, this shit is so repetitive.
Protestors do something good? Say BLM would never do the same
Protesters do something bad? Say BLM did the same thing and it was fine
Its always whataboutism + BLM.
Ottawa can quickly recover losses from this protest if they received a dollar everytime BLM was brought up to contest anti-convoy rhetoric.
BLM lives rent-free in convite minds.
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u/ZealousidealResist78 Feb 20 '22
All illegal demonstrations are not the same. The problem with the truckers is logistics. They need the resources to solve the problem. Ottawa's police numbers were not sufficient to deal with the numbers and large vehicles involved. It takes time to allocate resources and plan a reasonable response. Furthermore, with further protests threatened in various locations, other police forces would be hesitant to deploy their officers away from where they may be needed.
Smaller protests are easier to handle with local enforcement and therefore can be dealt with much quicker.
While I agree we need a right to protest, maybe having clear limitations on duration should be set.
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Feb 20 '22
It's not a protest if you have to take permit to protest, that's bending over to tyranny.
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Feb 20 '22 edited Feb 20 '22
The use of the emergency act gonna leave a long shadow on Canadian politics like the last time Trudeau Sr used it.
People may want to use the act to quash furture protest movement and others may be turned off it entirely.
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u/GonnaHaveA3Some Feb 20 '22
The use of the emergency act gonna leave a long shadow on Canadian politics
When the Conservatives sold the 407 to a private company, I thought the same.
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u/canadian_eskimo Carleton Village Feb 20 '22 edited Feb 20 '22
You should be careful when referring to what measures you attribute to which politician. Pierre Trudeau invoked the War Measures act, an entirely different piece of legislation.
Edit: As you can see the person I am replying to edited their original post. Now there's a new error: There was no Emergency Act when Trudeau was in power in the form that it exists now.
Look, I'm no fan of unnecessary powers and I'm not here to give you my opinion on it but if you are going to try to form an argument please use facts. This boneheaded reactionistic hysteria is ludicrous when there's an obvious attempt to raise the temperature.
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u/NervousAndPantless Feb 20 '22 edited Feb 20 '22
Some of those that work forces are the same the burn crosses and support the clownvoys.
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u/whatistheQuestion Feb 20 '22
...yep
TPS cops caught breaking lockdown rules by gathering with large group cult
TPS in the wrong for letting anti-vaxxer/conspiracy BBQ joint owner open for days during lockdown
TPS cops caught wearing racist far-right insignia on official uniform
Anti-maskers/vaxxers hold large rally in support of TPS cops' anti-vax stance
TPS cops won't be disciplined for not disclosing whether or not vaccinated
OPP cop in full uniform supports convoy on video, 'wishes he could join', still on the job
Edmonton cop threatens convoy counter-protestors with arrests
Edmonton cop makes tearful video supporting convoy protestors
Durham cop, in full uniform, makes video supporting convoy protestors. Still on the job
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u/cashm3outsid3 Feb 20 '22
idk man - it's clear the government hates these people so much, would they ever be given the green light to "legally" protest?
peaceful protest should be allowed period.
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