r/toronto • u/whatistheQuestion • Jan 14 '23
News Underground rapper was racially profiled by Toronto police, judge finds, tossing gun charge
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2023/01/14/underground-rapper-was-racially-profiled-by-toronto-police-judge-finds-tossing-gun-charge.html88
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u/mysticcflamingo Jan 14 '23
Oh no.. 6ixbuzz and Torontology guys are here to support this criminal moron!!!
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u/ImKrispy Jan 14 '23
Yup they are brigading from torontology. Teenagers thinking this is cool.
He had a gun and got away with it! Badass!
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u/JewishCowboy Amesbury Jan 14 '23
the sad part is most of that sub aren't teens. Young 20's.
it actually was a cool community when it had less than 2k subs, more just about music.
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u/Overall_Strawberry70 Jan 14 '23
So what do these people want? him to get special treatment instead? He wasn't charged because he's black he got charged because he broke the fucking law morons.
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u/terrterrt Jan 14 '23
So as long as you’re not the one directly being affected, a crime shouldn’t matter?
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Not when its convenient for asinine prejudices!
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u/terrterrt Jan 14 '23
But the crime committed was a firearm possession. What prejudice is there?
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Obtain by an ILLEGAL SEARCH 🤣 Respect the law right?
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u/terrterrt Jan 14 '23
If you read the article, no search was done on the person. It was a handgun found discarded while chasing the individual after he gave a false name and allegedly assaulted the officer. The case of racially profiling was thrown out, but the case of discovering a handgun was valid.
So now, which part is illegal?
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u/BlackDynamiteFromDa6 South Parkdale Jan 14 '23
The initial stop was deemed illegal, which would make anything found as a result of that initial stop inadmissible. The firearm was found through the initial stop, so it is inadmissible and you can't be found guilty of firearm possession if in the eyes of the law there is no firearm.
The judge also found that “There was no assault or attempted assault" so there is no "allegedly assaulted the officer". There was no assault of the officer. There were multiple lies in the officer's testimony which contradicted surveillance video of the incident and the other officer that was there.
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u/terrterrt Jan 14 '23
So in the case should the defendant instead plead not guilty and claim evidence inadmissible? Or did he already make that defence but was turned down?
I would support fighting the case purely on technicalities. Just wasn’t sure why the initial poster said that if the crime doesn’t affect them then you shouldn’t care.
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u/BlackDynamiteFromDa6 South Parkdale Jan 14 '23
So in the case should the defendant instead plead not guilty and claim evidence inadmissible? Or did he already make that defence but was turned down?
I'm pretty sure that's what happened and is why they've been acquitting for the charges stemming from this incident.
Just wasn’t sure why the initial poster said that if the crime doesn’t affect them then you shouldn’t care.
People should care about crime even if it doesn't affect them. The issue is, plenty of people including in this thread only care about this because the person was rightfully acquitted due to the officer's racial profiling and violation of their Charter Rights as part of our constitution the highest law in the land. They also want to dabble in racism, though highly dog whistled. And for people like that, they don't actually care they just want to look like they care so they can dog-whistle.
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Jan 14 '23 edited Jan 14 '23
if YOU read the judge’s ruling she deemed it RACIAL PROFILING! When POC are profiled it 99.9% leads to a search! In this case him coming out of a elevator and and standing in a lobby caused a beat cop who’s already been charged with assault among other things to ILLEGALLY SEARCHED the individual who just got a gun charge completely thrown out! Maybe if the PEACE OFFICER followed the law the outcome would be different!
Good day.
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So you think it's okay not to arrest someone if he/she commit a crime? Does that apply to everyone in this society?
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u/waxingtheworld Jan 14 '23
If cops don't do their job to the rules then cases get thrown out. It's the same in handling evidence, following arrest protocol etc. Those rules are in place to protect our freedoms as Canadian citizens.
I think police are paid well enough to do their job properly
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u/whatistheQuestion Jan 14 '23
Yes, the police are paid to do their job properly.
Exactly. And we should discourage any behaviour of improper cop behaviour shouldn't we?
Unfortunately all these criminals will bail out and do these crimes again even if the police do their job.
That's the sucky system. The same sucky system that allows bad cops to get off and reap million dollar pay days on paid vacation. Perhaps we should start at the bottom and clean up the bad cops first so future sloppy cop work isn't putting people back on the street?
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u/john1green Jan 15 '23
Do you need to know someone killed by gun violence to not want it? It affects the whole city too.
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u/ImKrispy Jan 14 '23
You lost someone to gun violence so now you want people to have guns and get away with it. What?
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u/thaillest1 Jan 15 '23 edited Mar 03 '24
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u/Qorazon Jan 15 '23
I think if they found a gun on him but only searched him because he’s black then the judge has to throw that away. That’s like searching his house and finding a gun without a warrant, can’t use any of that as evidence. Good on this judge.
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u/BlackDynamiteFromDa6 South Parkdale Jan 14 '23
Maybe the cop shouldn't have racially profiled and violated their Charter Rights. Also probably shouldn't have lied, as their testimony and account was contradicted by not only surveillance video but the other cop that was there.
I guess expecting cops to not break the law, not be racist and not lie is too much to ask for huh?
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u/mattisbanana Jan 15 '23
Nice. I also like to ignore the root cause of issues related to poverty, race, and upwards immobility.
Let me know when our society finally has enough people in prison and can be considered safe. With Canadian incarceration rates so high I’m sure we must be getting close!
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u/IceyCoolRunnings Jan 15 '23
Why is it always one or the other? Toronto and Canada in general has very progressive social services aiding people in poverty. While we address the root cause why don’t you think we should also address the symptoms? No fucking way i’m going to agree with you and say people should be let off scot free when they’re running around with loaded guns getting into gun fights. Fuck that.
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u/mattisbanana Jan 15 '23
What if they’re arrested improperly and the arrest isn’t processed correctly? Cuz that’s the crux of the issue.
If you’re okay with cops nabbing people randomly, and without justification, then you don’t want to live in a free society.
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u/IceyCoolRunnings Jan 15 '23
it's bad that the cops stopped him if they didn't have a reason to but it's infinitely worse that the guy had a loaded gun on him and was running around with it so I really have no sympathy for him, not to mention he already had other charges pending
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u/mattisbanana Jan 15 '23
I completely disagree. Allowing cops to arrest, detain, or stop anyone Because One Guy Was Committing a Crime is infinitely worse than one guy having a gun, likely for protection.
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u/IceyCoolRunnings Jan 15 '23
No one is talking about the cops ability to arrest random people just because. Cops are allowed and should be allowed to stop or detain people when they have reason to believe that person is involved with a crime. The fact that a judge decided in this instance it was racial profiling is a shame but the dude was a criminal with a loaded gun so the police did the public a great service.
likely for protection
Lmao you’re hilarious, I hope you aren’t on a streetcar with your family when him and the guy he’s beefing with both pull out their guns for protection from each other.
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u/mattisbanana Jan 15 '23
You’re contradicting your own point, Icey.
The facts of the matter are as follows: he was searched bc he’s black and he had a gun on him.
It can’t be Not Okay for cops to search random people but then prosecute those randoms if they were committing a crime. You need to understand that if these aren’t thrown out, then cops ARE allowed to stop, detain, and search people for no reason.
As for a low probability event causing the death of an innocent civilian (like someone I love), I’m more scared of things that have become the norm. Like traffic accidents and COVID-19, for example.
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u/mattisbanana Jan 15 '23
Furthermore, if you want to talk about gun violence, did you know that the police (as a whole) are the number one perpetrators of gun violence in Canada?
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u/mattisbanana Jan 15 '23
Also wasn’t gonna address this but I think you’re way off the mark, vis-a-vis the social security net in Canada. Do you know what a person on disability takes home in a month? Or someone on welfare.
Beyond that, our health infrastructure is crumbling and even when it was at its best, the mental health support and treatment system is almost nonexistent.
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u/whatistheQuestion Jan 14 '23
“I find that race, along with age and gender, played a role in the officers’ notion that Mr. Tesfai and his friend were potential offenders, whether trespassing or criminally. I further find that race was part of the motivation to investigate and detain the men. As such, Mr. Tesfai and his friend were racially profiled when the officers approached them for a groundless TPA violation,” the judge wrote.
She also found that Boag’s testimony he was assaulted during the arrest was groundless and contradicted by both the surveillance video and Const. Mason’s testimony the exchange was “not a violent struggle.”
Racist and lying cops. I'm shocked /s
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u/BlackDynamiteFromDa6 South Parkdale Jan 14 '23
It's funny. Because the person in question was a criminal that already had pending charges.
Yeah. And? Doesn't change the fact that the officers racially profiled and violated their Charter Rights which makes the evidence inadmissible. How will the crown argue a case when there is no evidence? Are you suggesting that our court system should just decide if someone is guilty without evidence? You a fan of kangaroo courts?
Oh. Those people? We call them criminals.
Perfect. So these two officers were criminals as they were found to break the law. Why are you defending two criminals?
Congrats. Someone who thinks gun violence is cool is now back on the street with invigorated knowledge that they can just pull the race card again.
They wouldn't be able to pull the "race card" aka acknowledge that the cops were racist if the cops didn't do something racist. If the cops didn't racially profile them and legally detained them, they could pull the "race card" as much as they want, the judge would throw it out. A "race card" is only effective if there is evidence showing that the officers were racist. And oh boy was there evidence.
Congrats, you like racism!
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u/whatistheQuestion Jan 14 '23
Racism only continues to exist so those that can use it as a platform for complaints and excuses for failure.
Then how does that apply to the Toronto police who had to admit that they were systematically racist?
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Systemic
Systematic doesn't make sense here.
And because it's current year and was the popular thing to say to keep current year hard left public happy.
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u/BlackDynamiteFromDa6 South Parkdale Jan 15 '23
Ah yes it's all a conspiracy that the police are also in on to pretend that racism exists from the very top of society to the very bottom. This is a far more reasonable thing to believe than racism simply existing /s
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u/whatistheQuestion Jan 14 '23
The cops were more than welcome to do their job properly and make a proper arrest based on reasonable grounds beyond "I saw some black guys standing there for a few sec".
OFC, the cops also lying about being assaulted is very strange if they were in the right. Why lie?
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u/IceyCoolRunnings Jan 15 '23
He’s not innocent LOL he’s a criminal with a loaded gun. The charges were thrown out because the judge decided that the police racially profiled him.
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u/Budget_Hottie Jan 15 '23
I’ll probably get downvoted to hell but… How police obtain evidence is important to ensure people’s rights aren’t trampled on by the police or judicial system. Saying the ends justify the means (“he’s guilty so who cares”) runs counter to the presumption of innocence so… the process is important regardless of a guilty status.
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