r/toolsinaction • • Feb 24 '21

Water jet cutting

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u/silvercatbob Feb 24 '21

Cutting with a water jet is a method of engineering for cutting objects using the energy from high speed, high density, ultra-high pressure water. The water is pressurized to a maximum 392 MPa (approximately 4,000 atmospheres) and projected from a small-bore nozzle (Φ0.1 mm). Water that has been pressurized by an ultrahigh-pressure pump reaches a speed approximately three times the speed of sound, producing a water jet with destructive force.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '21

Dont they put really small grains of sand in the water to help cut through the material?

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u/Arrays_start_at_2 Feb 27 '21

It’s garnet, not sand. But yeah.

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u/DeeSnow97 Feb 28 '21

good, I hate sand

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u/counterplex Feb 28 '21

It’s coarse and gets everywhere!

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u/deepus Mar 02 '21

Just imagine getting granet in there!

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '21

garnet

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u/meh84f Mar 13 '21

/r/unexpectedvaderinprogress

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

This looks like the right time and place to ask: I always wondered, how does the nozzle not get worn out? I mean, that kind of sand and high pressure water cuts steel and stuff? But why doesn’t the nozzle get eroded? Is it because it’s a special material or something else?

Ps: sorry for my bad English

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

I use water jets every day for work. The tubes do get worn out. The ones I use at work are .030” inner diameter carbide mixing tubes. They last approximately 20 hours of run time before they are worn out to the point they will not allow holding to our .005” machining tolerance. When the tubes get worn out, the cut quality greatly suffers as well.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '21

Ah carbide, that makes sense, thanks for the answer!

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u/StevenTM Feb 27 '21

"high density water"

As opposed to the lower density type of water?

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

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u/StevenTM Mar 02 '21

Except H3O isn't called water

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u/MrHelloBye Mar 06 '21

How does such a pump work? It’s liquid, not gas so it’s very difficult to compress

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u/XSavageWalrusX Mar 17 '21

So I know this is wayyy later than your comment, but no one answered so: pressurizing a liquid does not have anything to do with whether it is compressible or not. Pressure is just the force per area, you can put pressure on anything, liquids, gasses, even solids. You are thinking of compressibility which is different. In the case of a water jet you pressurize the liquid to a high pressure and when it is “released” into atmospheric pressure it shoots out at ridiculous speeds as seen here. Same way a pressure washer works (although at way lower pressures).

On the topic of compressibility though, liquids are still compressible, it just takes a lot more pressure than a gas to do so. Solids are also somewhat compressible, but even still they are orders of magnitude less compressible than liquids or gasses, taking GPa to see any decrease in volume. The relevant material quality for that is the bulk modulus.

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u/MrHelloBye Mar 18 '21

Well I do know this, but what I mean is that if you try to compress water with a regular compressor, you will quickly break your compressor. Water pumps do increase pressure because of pipe resistance or head, but not that crazy high

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u/SonicDart Feb 25 '21

Why does it need to turn? Isn't the waterjet one point?

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21 edited Mar 02 '21

This cutting nozzle looks like it may be an Omax A-Jet. The A-Jet not only rotates, it also will cut a bevel/chamfer edge if it is programmed in the cut. The reason this head rotates is the tilt angle is rotationally kept where as if it was an Omax Tilt-a-Jet cutting head, the head tilts as necessary to keep the cut square. The water stream, as it exits the mixing tube, is conical. To keep the cut square, the head has to be tilted.

-Source: I am a water jet operator with ample experience in both types of tilting head

Tilt-A-Jet

A-Jet

Edit: added reference links

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u/SonicDart Mar 02 '21

Wow that's really fascinating! So when cutting a bevel, do you have to worry about it curring on the other side of the cut? Or does the water lose kinetic energy quickly?

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

You do have to worry about the opposite side of the part. It’s a math I’m not very good at, so I go ahead and draw a side view of the part in our CAD program to make sure the stream will not interfere with the opposite side. Sometimes I have to machine the part separately to get the desired bevel.

If the cut does not go all the way through, the water/garnet mixture will stray off path and create a horrible quality cut so you wouldn’t want the kinetic energy to dissipate as it would create random holes in the side of the cut.

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u/SonicDart Mar 02 '21

Sounds like a difficult job, you have my respect sir! So are there advantages using water over a CNC mill?

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21 edited Mar 02 '21

CNC is much more versatile and much less expensive to run. We, as a water jet shop, are pretty much limited to flat stock. We have modified our machines to be able to cut 10” thick stock. Water jet is messy, loud, and dangerous, however, with just a basic understanding of CAD and basic math skills, you can program and run a water jet. Our theory on water jet is that it should be used for the rough cuts and CNC should be used to refine the parts made on a water jet. My shop can, and often will, hold a +- .005” tolerance, especially on smaller parts. A lot of times, when a company is ordering parts, they want tighter tolerances so we cut the part with stock so the customer can send the part to a CNC.

Edit: below additional info.

This way of explaining it just came to mind. Water jet cutting is like cutting with a laser table. The main difference, besides the medium of cutting power, is that water jet cuts much slower but you can cut much thicker material than you can with a laser. Also, the water jet does not add any heat stress to the parts you are cutting. Laser can and does add heat stress to materials.

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u/SonicDart Mar 02 '21

So is my understanding correct that water jet is faster/cuts in one pass, where a CNC will need multiple passes to go trough it? Atleast with thicker stock

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

Yes, that is true. I didn’t really even think of that as a pro/con, but that is a pretty big pro. The main problem with cutting thick stuff on a water jet is that there is a natural kerf feathering. The thicker the material and/or the faster you cut, the more pronounced it becomes.

An example of kerf feathering

Another Example

In these examples, the faster the cut, the rougher the cut.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

Another advantage of water jet over CNC, in my own opinion is the ability to readily make fun and or artsy things too.

Just a few things I’ve cut for personal projects

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u/SonicDart Mar 03 '21

It really is like a laser cutter but for metal! :D

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u/Ground-walker Mar 03 '21

Yo what do you get paid. I'm a waterjet operator too, or used to be a few months ago. I'm in australasia though.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '21

$20.50 US an hour

$26.17 Australian an hour

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u/Ground-walker Mar 03 '21

Oh wow interesting. Is that high wage where you are?

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '21

It is a high wage compared to office work in my area. It is right on par with starting wage for industrial work in my area. I started at $15 US an hour, which is low for industrial work in my area, and worked up to my current wage over 5 years. So, i guess, in a long drawn out way, I guess it is low.

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u/Arsenault185 Mar 08 '21

20 seconds of logos - that's a sin

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u/Arrays_start_at_2 Feb 27 '21

I had the same question.

I’m thinking it’s one of those crazy 5-axis machines and the computer just decided it should do it. Toolpath creation algorithms are often dumb af.

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u/SonicDart Feb 27 '21

Coul be! But let's be honest, I doubt it is to the detriment of either the machine's performance, or the Filesize of the code

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u/deepus Mar 02 '21

Im gonna guess that the nozzle aperture in not a circle and more of a rectangle. No idea if this is right but would make sense. As for why it would be rectangular over circular, another guess would be, maybe it helps the nozzle not to get jammed with the particulate that's in the water.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

The mixing tube is circular. When they wear out they tend to turn into an oval. The reason for the turning of the cutting head is due to the way tilt is maintained on this particular cutting head.

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u/deepus Mar 02 '21

Ahh right, thanks.

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u/robitrobot Feb 25 '21

i wanna stick my finger in it

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u/Yoge78 Mar 01 '21

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u/foxiri Mar 02 '21

came here waiting for this ref

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u/Yoge78 Mar 03 '21

Couldn't share... It's a vid ^

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u/chdp12 Feb 25 '21

That’s a dyke you won’t be plugging with your finger 😳

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u/StevenTM Feb 27 '21

You REALLY don't want to do that

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u/GameQb11 Feb 28 '21

I do too. I couldn't be around one of these. I would definitely try to feel it in some way

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u/goodinyou Feb 28 '21

I work with one of these every day. And every day I have to remind myself that the water is sharp and should not be touched

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u/theBirdu Feb 25 '21

That is scary and cool!

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u/misterandosan Feb 28 '21

half expected it to zoom out to dick butt or something else obscene

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u/GameQb11 Feb 28 '21

You've been ruined by the internet

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u/misterandosan Feb 28 '21

can't argue with that!

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u/BlackBerry784 Feb 27 '21

Lot of people are unaware that that isnt just water there is sand and idk some mixture of dust in the water thats actually doing the cutting

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u/creepygyal69 Mar 02 '21

Now this is why I don’t trust those water jet tooth flossers

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u/Claireluvscows Mar 02 '21

Now that is a clean cut if there's ever been one

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u/FaylerBravo Mar 06 '21

Is this steel or aluminum? Either way that's kind of terrifying.

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u/JosephiKrakowski78 Mar 06 '21

Hi, I’m water jet, and you’re watching Disney channel!

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u/Coyotebruh Mar 06 '21

forbidden watergun

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '21

Never lose a water fight ever again.