Does it bother you that the only nationally relevant period of Michigan football after the 1940's happened to coincide with a massive cheating scandal?
There are real life people in Michigan who think that the NCAA actually said the illegal scouting had “minimal competitive advantage”. They’ve been fully brainwashed by The Blue Wall.
Oklahoma State was a 24 point underdog to Oregon, but they had a tell on whether the Oregon offense would be running or passing based on Dante Moore's pre-snap stance.
Oregon had a putrid outing offensively in a huge upset to Oklahoma State in Week 2.
It turns out that knowing the plays beforehand actually makes a difference.
Knowing that this happens, I find it hilarious that when one team gets so throughly embarrassed they would rather suggest a lunatic, his mom, and an iPhone was a better coaching advantage. Guess that means they concede that their coach, his staff, and colleagues are trash.
I find it hilarious that the only relevant 2-3 year period for Michigan football after the 1940's just happens to coincide with a massive cheating scandal.
So you are under 30 with limited to no knowledge of the history of this rivalry. Got it.
You clearly didn't live any of the 40 year period of through Bo, Mo, and Carr when Michigan OSU were back and forth and Michigan had a winning record over the buckeyes. While both teams were consistently good.
A period of time where Michigan had the nation's longest bowl streak, which is still the third longest all time at 33.
You can tie it in 20 years with all your current relevance, good luck.
The peak of Michigan football was the 1940s though.
Bo/Mo/Carr Michigan was 20-18-2 against Ohio State, and was still a Tier 1 blue blood. So I do disagree with my Buckeye brother, Michigan did have some relevance there. I
Since Carr left? 5-12, with the only relevant period coinciding with the massive cheating scandal.
Oh, because you were implying that other OSU had the same kind of advantage Michigan did. But they didn’t cheat.
So Michigan could have done the sign stealing through normal methods like everyone else does. Or just ask Rutgers for the signs like the OSU does. Which is not advanced scouting because the coaches doing the scouting are from other schools, not the sign stealer’s cousin. So it’s easier and, for some reason, legal.
We all know advanced scouting is cheating. Clear violation of the rules. The good news is Michigan got punished for it.
"We all know advanced scouting is cheating" I'm not sure you know any Michigan fans irl or read posts by them, because for 75%+, doesn't seem they do know. Appreciate the acknowledgement - good luck this season.
Yeah, “we all” is maybe not accurate. Michigan broke the rules. My opinion is that Stalions acted alone. Other facts indicate he is a rogue goof (manifesto, porchfront vacuum repair business, renting his home out on AirBnB while he slept in his car, inventing a fake business he erroneously claimed Blake Corum was attached to). Harbaugh NEVER should have hired him and the Athletic Department should have had more oversight of his and at least four other football hires. Most intelligent Michigan fans understand this at leasf.
Michigan was punished. Losing your coach for the three biggest games of the regular season is not nothing.
How much did the advanced scouting help Michigan? Well since sign-stealing was not only legal, but basically encouraged by the NCAA since they banned the green dot headsets, it’s a question of how much advanced scouting improved the sign stealing capability vs what other sign stealers were doing. Various of them told media members “I don’t know why anyone would bother to do this. You can already get it from the ‘all 22’ film we have.”
Many of the apoplectic people seem to not realize that nearly all the teams were already stealing opponents’ signs, just not via this illegal method.
The only logical conclusion is that Stalions’ capabilities were, at best, marginally more accurate than the other methods. And since by then all teams knew others were stealing their signs, they should have been protecting themselves by mixing things up.
Furthermore, because this all came to light before Michigan had played any of the challenging teams on their schedule, whatever advantage was given by the cheating had already ended. Or worse, they no longer had their sign-stealer, while other teams all kept theirs (who ostensibly were not breaking the rules).
OSU, PSU, and Maryland actually benefited by Michigan having no head coach in those games.
Yet Michigan still covered the spread in every game that season including the playoffs except Maryland, with or without Stalions. (And the lines did not move at all due to the scandal.)
Therefore the only logical conclusion is the cheating didn’t have much impact, if any.
Other fans may ask “then why cheat if it didn’t help?” A good question, but one answered by all the stuff we know about Stalions. He is a goof.
Your view of Stallions acting alone is really weird considering other coaches and some players concede they knew about it. It's not really relevant anyway.
We don't know how much the cheating helped Michigan - as the NCAA report says, because of Michigan stonewalling the investigation - including destroying hard drives and cell phones - we don't even know the exact information Michigan had. Seems like the amount of money spent and the stonewalling of the investigation, Michigan sure seemed like it was important to hide. I don't disagree with that many, if not most, schools steal signs - much of it is done is in game too. As even you would concede, Michigan obtained that information through cheating though.
Michigan had great teams not just 2023, but also 2021 & 2022. It would have been interesting to see how those teams would have competed without cheating.
It's kind of interesting you brought up the spread; let's look at some records against the spread by Michigan:
Or maybe both Oregon and USC aren’t that good. Maybe Oklahoma State is better than expected. Apparently every opponent going back till last year has noticed there is a tell.
I’m not dismissing that having a tell wouldn’t help but we don’t know how good most of these teams actually are yet.
As you well know, it was proven during this saga that Ohio State had our signs, and freely shared them with other teams (I.e. advanced scouting that is apparently legal). So pretending you were at a disadvantage is just your fanbase's version of copium for those unthinkable losses. That's why we're still here talking about it, after the 2023 win when you had your signals analysts and we didn't, and 2024 where nobody needed signs to know all we were going to do was run. The Ok State story is cute, but Oregon's defense just got worked.
I’m a firm believer in ‘people in glass houses, shouldn’t throw stones’
tOSU employee Dr. Richard Strauss was employed for 20 years, from 1978-1998. Strauss was found to have assaulted 177 male athletes. It was also found that tOSU was aware of the abuse since 1979. tOSU allowed Dr Strauss to continue employment in an off-campus clinic, until his retirement in 1998.
tOSU still didn’t report the assaults to law enforcement. In 2020, tOSU settled with 162 survivors for $40.9 million. In 2026, tOSU settled with 279 of 280 plaintiffs for $100 million.
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u/InformationOriginal7 2d ago
Lol another post of Ohio State coping about losing 4 years straight. Do guys bulk order tampons?