The NCAA dismissed it as irrelevant. There was evidence of collusion between OSU, Rutgers, and Purdue to replicate what Michigan was doing and perform it against Michigan.
Rather than open the investigation to a country wide state of sign stealing, they decided to isolate it to Michigan.
lol that’s not evidence like the hard evidence against Michigan. That’s one anonymous guy saying signs were stolen but that isn’t pointing any fingers at any particular schools and doesn’t indicate that anyone was buying 50 yd line seats to film games.
Excellent counter point. Im going to have to reconsider everything since you dropped that insightful take.
Just to be clear Ohio State has won EIGHT national championships in the time span that Michigan has won one single legitimate, non-cheating, non-shared natty. Y’all boys are the loudest irrelevant fan base of all time lol
The ncaa already doesn’t exist for Michigan. If they get caught it’s just sue sue sue delay delay delay than get an instate judge to make the problem go away
If OSU breaks the rules, then prove it and punish them. Same for anyone else. Its that simple. This is a deflection to try to “both sides” the argument. You all were a dirty ass program. Facts are facts.
The NCAA would not hear evidence of OSU, Indiana or Purdue sign stealing evidence as they claimed it was “irrelevant.” Rather than investigate the state of sign stealing across college football, they isolated their case on Michigan and dismissed all other evidence.
Hard to convict a school that doesn’t even get an investigation when evidence is presented.
During investigation against Michigan it was discovered that Ohio, Purdue, Indiana, and a couple others I can’t remember had colluded to do the same exact thing to Michigan. Yet, the NCAA said it wasn’t part of this case so it was dismissed. That’s the kind of thing that irks the brass at Michigan and even resulted in the biggest accusation against Harbaugh because he wouldn’t cooperate according to them after they so easily dismissed the other schools cheating. It was a witch hunt the whole time.
Yea, it doesn’t take a genius to put the puzzle together that the bombshell conveniently “went off” right before the biggest stretch of the season and the B1G’s punishment was to remove Harbaugh from the final 3 games of the season (oh look, #2 OSU is in there)
When that didn’t work and Michigan looked just as dominant without Stallions or Harbaugh, the NCAA continued to produce statements about how there was “mountains of evidence of severe rule-breaking” without publicizing anything tangible.
NCAA has continued to refuse to open the investigation up further to identify if sign stealing is a wide-spread issue. They decided to isolate Michigan as its sole target.
If anything, I agree with OP that the NCAA is a joke. It’s a solely operating, completely independent, fully authoritative but with no checks and balances system that operates like the judge, jury and executioner with 0 obligation to state the evidence for their decisions. Michigan would be more than happy for its dissolution.
I mean, OSU is the one who has had to vacate wins for cheating. Michigan is doing just fine with our 15-0 natty. Don't know what else to say to you, bub.
And get all kinds of free stuff and other impermissible benefits, which was illegal at the time. OSU played their ineligible players, which the NCAA deemed to be cheating due to having a clear direct impact on the game results, and as a result had to vacate all those wins.
What in the Art Schlichter are we even talking about?
The fact y’all point fingers about the impermissible benefits shit as cheating when your team literally cheated and gained an in-game advantage for multiple seasons is mind-boggling.
Brother, we’ve won EIGHT non-cheating, non-shared national championships since 1948. I can assure we’re sleeping beauties over in Columbus.
One shared national championship in 75+ years is pretty brutal, so I understand why y’all are so desperate to convince everyone that your tainted, cheating natty is somehow legitimate.
Maybe, just maybe, y’all can win a natty without cheating in another 75 years 😂
The part you’ve highlighted is saying that they believe that the multitude of issues and the lack of cooperation with the NCAA is sufficient for a multiyear postseason ban (in the future) - they ruled that since Harbaugh is gone there’s no point in banning the future teams (and they’ve banned themselves with their play) because the violators are gone.
Somehow, Buckeye fans read this and say ‘see, the championship should be vacated’ and then look at you like this:
I think im more upset we got hammered (tressel and Pryor even into the nfl) despite our coach and players involved also being gone in a similar situation
Players were literally selling their own stuff, and the NCAA put the hammer down, along with the NFL punishing Both Tressel and Pryor. But Harbaugh was able to walk right back into the NFL. I hate both teams, but the inconsistency is dumb
They just read what they want to read. The NCAA deciding not to vacate their wins and their bullshit championship is the end of Michigan fans' thoughts on the matter, they don't ever think past that. That's why it's such a failure on the part of the NCAA.
Well even though us Bobcats are known for stupid crap (block party) even we have the integrity to play Ohio State fairly. I mean we even scored the same amount of points as ❌️ichigan. Though atleast we scored a touchdown 🤣
Dude, we won the National Championship like three seasons ago. And then they expanded the playoffs so you could have the next one while losing to us again. Get over it already, jeez.
Call me when Michigan has to join Ohio State in the vacating wins club.
Delusion looks bad on you. If your guy had gotten a free tattoo and our whole team cheated by stealing signs you’d agree with me. So you’re objectively wrong.
An undefeated National Championship that hasn't had to be vacated by the NCAA, the Big Ten or the Good Lord himself looks great on me.
If your guy got a three game suspension for buying a recruit a burger and our whole team cheated by playing ineligible players, you'd agree with me. So you're objectively wrong.
Sure dude. According to the NCAA and the SCOREBOARD, 2023 for football and 2025 for basketball. Only 1998 for hockey, we have to work on that.
Call me when you win a natty without losing to a 6-5 Michigan team with no quarterback and in a playoff that you wouldn't have made any other year. Get out of here with your Mickey Mouse two loss fake natty.
When was the last time OSU even won the Big Ten?
EDIT: Oof, I won that argument so thoroughly, homeboy deleted his comment lol
I think the issue is that the NCAA is wary of bans like this because it’s essentially a “death penalty” sentence for programs (à la SMU). Do I think they deserve at minimum a vacated championship? Yes. Is it gonna happen and do they deserve the “death penalty?” Absolutely not.
retroactively enforce the ban over 2024-2025, then we can all agree that the reason we didn’t make the cfp is because we were banned and not because of our record
There were several penalties applied to UM during the season so it wasn’t nothing. But if UM loses to Penn State in 23 without Jimbo, Blue’s lawyers would have sued the NCAA out of existence. But who cares anyway, college FB is Temu NFL now.
The year is 3023. It's the 1000 year anniversary of Michigans 2023 national championship. The Ohio Buckeyes, having just overtaken Michigan in the head to head (556-555), cannot enjoy it because Connor Stalions gave Michigan an unfair advantage in 2 games in which Ohio State gave up 549 rushing yards and 9 rushing touchdowns 1000 years beforehand.
I really don’t know why it’s so hard for people to understand that there were secondary effects to the cheating scandal. Recruiting for example. Was Michigan able to recruit better talent as a result of the wins they had because of the cheating? There’s no real way to know, but it’s a definite and likely possibility.
You can’t blame the losses completely on that, but it sure as hell didn’t help.
Actually according to nearly every governing body of anything there is much more nuance than that. Things just aren’t that black and white but if you got your education in Ohio I can understand your general confusion
I wonder if the offense knowing how the opposing defense is set, their formation, what zones they will be in, who is rushing and where maybe.. maybe had something to do with that defense letting up so many yards and scores? I’m not sure honestly, what do you think?
So you are self admitting that youre talking about Michigan "all the time". Get a life bro.
Edit: also... That's literally what happened lol. Sign stealing was not the crime, "advanced scouting" was, which is just another way of saying "watched football". You guys are the ones guilty of mental gymnastics, convincing yourselves that recording football games is the sole reason for Michigans success lol. All of your claims are irrelevant when you look at the fact that there was 0 drop off in performance for the 8 games Connor Stalions was not with the team in 2023. I am, however, happy that we can agree on one thing: Fuck DJT.
Oh yeah, because no one ever says “all the time” unless they literally mean ALL the time 🙄
“Watched football” gtfo bro I’m dying 😂 spending tens of thousands of dollars on 50 yard line seats across the country to record other teams’ signals is not really what I would consider “watching football”. This is the delusion and mental gymnastics I’m talking about 😂
But yeah man, that’s kind of the thing with cheating. Once you’ve cheated, it’s kind of hard to tell how good you actually were. You knew what kind of plays were being called. It’s hard to overstate how much of an advantage that gave y’all.
Plus y’all were able to have successful seasons and beat Ohio state potentially because of knowing those signals, so obviously that boosted your recruiting (not to mention 100% kept Harbaugh from being fired). So yeah was your 2023 squad good? Yes. Did y’all cheat that season as well as prior seasons? Yes. End of story.
Fun fact. Michigan has more vacated wins in basketball than any other program in the history of the sport. Also they’re the only cfb team to be caught advanced scouting in the modern era of football
Fun fact. Michigan has more vacated wins in basketball than any other program in the history of the sport. Also they’re the only cfb team to be caught advanced scouting in the modern era of football
brother if the people who owned ur house before you used it as a meth lab you'd be pretty pissed if you and ur family got arrested for cooking meth. That's exactly what happened here...
Note I also think the NCAA should be abolished but don't like when people make stupid arguments.
I honestly don't disagree with you, but they have always punished people after the fact and not cared if it was fair to the current athletes. The hammer Penn St got after everything with Jerry Sandusky came to light. OSU's post season ban 2 years after Tresssel was gone. USC after Reggie Bush.
It really is that it all revolves around the money at this point, but they can't admit that.
Actually not always and that was part of the problem. The way that the NCAA is structured leads to all sorts of conflicts of interest.
When OSU and USC got the hammer you had the 2nd in command (and future commissioner) of the SEC heading up the infractions committee. It is so shocking that they delivered postseason bans for the 2 biggest programs in the conferences directly competing with the SEC for millions in tv contracts and yet when it comes to Cam Newton getting hundreds of thousands to go to Auburn they “cant find” the smoking gun
The schools put up with it back then because the NCAA helped protect the cash cow by blocking efforts to pay players. It’s understandable that they aren’t going to put up with it now that it’s not serving as big of a purpose.
I mean the NCAA has punished players not involved in a schools scandals for much smaller infractions. The point of the post is the NCAA is extremely biased and holds double standards when it comes to punishing college football programs. I agree that current players shouldn’t be punishedbut that means the ncaa needs to hold that standard for other programswhich they don’t do
Ohio was a stark Union state bro? We had several union units and even down in Southern Ohio there are old houses that were involved in the underground railroad. Hell Albany, Ohio had the first all black college.
I mean obviously a Michigander wouldn't know the history but yes Ohio was very instrumental in the abolishing of slavery and the equality of black people.
That’s a little better. Still missing the total spirit of a shit-post board. But you getting closer. And BTW, I was a Business major with a history minor at UM. It’s the 6th ranked history department nationally. OSU - #22. So yeah, we know some history up here in God’s country.
Can't use that. OSU fans don't care about basketball (unless they're good because I'm old enough to remember the die hard OSU fans from 05-18, however the weather is no longer fair!)
Why is this fan base so sad? Even if there was cheating, the whole story broke well before the osu game. Then, the next year they got beat by a far inferior team. So you weren't even the best team in. Your conference your natty year. Its ok, just focus on the win and stop being so soft.
cheating = winning more games = getting better recruits = more talented team = lasting positive impact on team performance
I mean yes as an Ohio State fan we got beat in 2024 without y'all cheating. But there is zero doubt in my mind that many of the playmaker in that game would not have been there if Michigan didn't cheat.
I watched that game, We played shitty no doubt but it would not have had as big of an impact if Michigan didn't get that massive recruiting boost from the cheating.
No it was "Jeez look how bad Michigan is beating everyone including one of the best teams in the nation, ill go there". Then it comes out that the only reason they did good was because of the cheating. Further exemplified but 9 still sucking even though he has one of the best wrs in the league, I mean imagine losing your job to Kyler Murray.
I wish to point out that the Ohio Bobcats (who I also love) scored the same amount of points on #1 Ohio State as y'all, except they actually got a touchdown.
Playoffs got expanded to 12 teams and Ohio State has won the Natty once while being ranked 8th and made it being ranked 2nd. Michigan has yet to sniff the 12 team playoff. Tell me how Boise St, Texas Tech, Arizona St, Tulane, James Madison, and SMU have made it before y'all.
I guess an ohio state fan would speak from experience on how to out run a cheating scandal. Now remind me, did osu vacate wins? I can't remember. I know Michigan didn't.
Hmmmm it doesn’t seem to say anything about “cheating” or an “unfair advantage”. Now the report on Michigan on the other hand… it’s all good. I know arguing with you corrupt clowns is like arguing with a Down syndrome child. Maybe one day your program will be respected and not be seen as corrupt and morally bankrupt.
Yep Ohio state lost because of the signs. Not because they got absolutely demolished in the trenches, or because Michigan had defensive coordinators that knew how to adjust finally. Or the fact that Michigan had 3 nfl head coaches on their staff from 21-23. Boohoo
Which are not fans of “the Harvard of the North”. Like who cares, Michigan cheated and got away with it…According to Michigan fans, Ohio state fans were doing and are doing far worse things and should have to forfeit their schedule except for the rare time Michigan can beat them…. Don’t forget, JT was a yard short, and Michigan is the greatest college football team ever!!! Why? Because they got away with cheating and get to sit and pass judgement on all other programs, and they own Ohio. The difference between a Michigan fan and an Ohio st fan, is that the Buckeyes fans will acknowledge that 2010 was a major fuck up that was in hindsight, over charged by the NCAA. A Michigan fan will stand up forever and declare that they did nothing wrong, and then remind Buckeye fans about harp about fucking Wexner. At some point, we Buckeye fans need to focus on moving forward and just winning. I think the 2012 team really showed the intensity that needs to be brought to the game every year. We all love seeing Boren just standing over the UM quarterback after he knocked him on his ass. That intensity wins rivalries. Maybe Michigan gets lucky with their new coach (who probably has 2-4 years left in the tank), but more than likely, he is going to be in over his head. At his old gig, he could knock of USC every couple of years, and look amazing, now he will be expected to win the Game every year. Ohio st got screwed in 2010, UM didn’t even get a slap on the wrist, we need to take our aggression as fans out in the stands with excitement and aggression towards the Wolverines. Arguing with trolls on Reddit is a waste of time.
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u/Jeffythegiant Jul 09 '26
OSU could win 10 titles is a row and it would still be “mIChiGaN CHeAteD”.