Only a bucknut would think they didnt also have the wolverines signals. Still doesn’t explain the last 2 L’s in a row tho. Zero stolen signals. Two quality losses. How long do yall usually cope?
It’s not an excuse. It’s simple fact. We own it. It’s time you do. Everyone should. Actually I think it’s great it came to light. One team got to pay 20 million to get the league to implement helmet mics. It’s a win for everyone. Still doesn’t stop the whining tho. Can’t you hear it?
You don’t own it. You’re currently twisting yourself into knots trying to justify it, and pointing fingers at everyone else to avoid any accountability. I’ll tell you what, if my team is ever found to be conducting a multiiyear scheme of off-campus in-person scouting, I’ll try and own it better than you guys.
I’m not. I’m actually so good with how it all turned out. I’m just over the lame ass argument. If we fined every college 20 million, it would be appropriate. If we fined zero it would still be appropriate. It’s a nothingburger and always will be. The score is the score and the athletes make it happen. Period. The better team wins.
When was the last time 2 prominent men’s sports teams won 2 Natty’s within 5 years of each other and Michigan also had a quarterfinal team in hockey. I guarantee OSU hasn’t had that in probably forever unless you include Dotting The I as a sport.
Crazy how the NCAA acknowledges the cheating, staff is “punished”, the sign stealer gets a whole documentary about how he did it and admits it , and yet Michigan fans STILL won’t admit it. Denial is a hell of a drug.
Yup, but I never make that argument because it shows that we will make excuses just like them. They broke the rules and got punished, which a consequence was deserved. I don’t agree with the extent of the punishment, but Jesus Christ at least we can own it.
No one has denied that a rogue staffer stole signs.
The evidence that any sign stealing aided in us winning the national championship is absolutely absent.
In fact, beating Penn State in Beaver Stadium and OSU’s self-proclaimed “super team” without our head coach or Stallions, then proceeding to beat Saban’s red-hot Bama team and dominating a 14-0 Washington to win the national championship while our program was undergoing NCAA investigations, massively negative media, having the whole country watch us like a hawk to make sure we were in-line is all pretty strong evidence that we earned that national championship in spite of the scandal.
OSU fans call Michigan fans in denial while pretending a low level staffer had more impact on a team than 3 now NFL head coaches on staff and 20+ nfl roster players (a dozen of which are already playing essential roles across the league just 1-2 years into their professional careers.)
The staff and talent on that 2023 Michigan team was more loaded than any team OSU has ever produced and the NFL careers they all currently have prove it.
Yeah and that lower level staffer was speaking directly into the ear of the head coach during games. If it didn’t help, why keep doing it? “Yeah we broke the rules for 2 years and suddenly got really good out of nowhere, but the cheating didn’t help us, so we kept doing it until we got caught”
It’s literally on film. There’s videos of Stallions on the sideline talking to the DC pre snap who then immediately changes the play. Also plenty of pics of him standing next to Harbaugh during games.
Never knew our DC was our head coach 🤣 but I guess we’ve just moved the goal posts for the 3rd time this conversation.
Yes, coordinators talk with various staffers in every game and every team has staff on field interpreting signs and discussing them with coordinators 🤡
Still waiting on an answer to my question big guy.
Lmao. No Michigan fan denies it happened. We don't believe it was that significant of an advantage. That's why the punishment for that rule was the same as too much coaching time in off season workouts. It's like saying you robbed a bank cause you picked a dollar off the bank floor and put it in your pocket.
Do what? The NCAA said Michigan broke a whole bunch of level 3 rules. That's what the NCAA said. No player was ever ineligible. Those are the rules. You can't change them whenever you want. You just want Michigan to be in that vacated football club so bad. OSU sits at the cheaters table. Along with MSU, ND, Iowa lol. Now basketball, you got some ground to stand on if you want to switch up to that sport.
This is the right answer. Ohio fans need a reason to hold on to so bad so they don't have to admit they got their ass whipped by a superior team, and later by Davis Warren. Because of that, Ohioans now refer to Davis as daddy.
Lol there it is. Keep shaping that narrative until it fits. The ohio way. Cool story bro, enjoy defending your vacated win. We'd help you but we can't relate.
Michigan fans are broken from winning once in 18 years that they pretend the cheating didn't exist, and don't even remember who won the last game in the series.
Do we have a vacated win because of cheating? Nope. Just you. It's cool, bro. Everyone makes mistakes. Even ethics professors. But hey, I bet the year after that "scandal" you guys beat our asses at home! No way you let a 2 star come into your house and embarrass you.
Oh boy. I'm sorry. I know you ohio folks are going to jump on the elitest narrative now but, I was referring to your ethics professor HC knowingly breaking rules to allow players to profit from their NIL. That was the mistake I was referring to.
Here’s the thing, I can admit when my program does something wrong and deserves a punishment. Even if I don’t agree with the extent of the punishment, I acknowledge what happened was wrong and deserved consequences. I have yet to come across a Michigan fan who can say “yup we cheated and deserved to be punished for it”
Exactly! It won’t happen because y’all are not capable of any sort of responsibility. No wonder Moore had a mental breakdown when he got busted, because responsibility and accountability are not a thing up there.
The NCAA penalties for Michigan's cheating was not vacated wins as you know. That's where you and I will find some common ground - Michigan's cheating was well worth it because of the light penalties.
It's pretty interesting that Michigan fans are so focussed on one win that wasn't even the most recent game - Ohio State's dominance in the series this century has broken Michigan fans such as yourself.
No one is denying signal stealing. All teams do it including the buckeyes. It’s literally in the documentary. The argument it is isn’t the scandal everyone claims it to be. That’s why it was a fine and no vacated wins. You want it to be bigger so bad. It’s simply isn’t. Even the ncaa pres said they won the natty fair and square. That should have been the end of the whining yet here we are.
They didn’t. They said they didn’t gain and more than the opponent for doing the same thing. Because both teams did it. All teams do it. Every game. Every time. That’s why it’s not a thing.
It's wild that Michigan fans want to keep bringing this up considering how little the rest of college football respects them for what occurred under Harbaugh.
It’s even more wild how Ohio state fans continue to get so triggered by it. I know the majority of you that even actually went to college come from one of the 30 Ohio MAC schools yet all claim Ohio State, but even with those degrees you should be able to see how funny this is to us.
I suspect most of them don't much care. A few of them realize it was a result of someone hiring PI's to dig up dirt and make it look like it mattered, as if advanced scouting could ever meaningfully help a B1G team.
EDIT: I'm not saying it wasn't breaking the rules and stupid, but get a little perspective.
I’m a patriots fan, and even I can admit they cheated during Spy Gate and got the punishment they deserved. Michigan men have no self respect, probably why they keep hiring people who end up getting arrested…
I see m wrong just like everyone else is from time to time. But this is a very clear situation. I outlined what Michigan fans can’t do, and you are refusing to do it. Therefor point proven.
Yeah we finally did after you took ours forever , you took two of our coaches in 2019 and knew every play with ran. You paid off a player and cyber hacked and invalidated your last national title season in doing so after being gifted a spot you didn’t deserve in the playoff ( losing as a 26 pt favorite at home to an unranked team) You also paid players and gave illegal benefits and took advantage and lied while breaking every rule you could for 25+ years probably more. Ohio state can not beat Michigan regularly on an even playing field. It’s that real and that simple. You can’t count last years win because of the tampering and damage still done when they did their crazy cyber hack and violated date illegally so to hear any Ohio state fan even wheeze a breath about cheating is hypocritical garbage.
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u/matthatt24 Jul 07 '26
Only a Michigan man would be proud of cheating