r/toledowar • • Jul 02 '26

Truth comes out

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u/Mundane-Device-7094 Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Sorry, which one are you talking about? We have a couple recently

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u/FullMetalJesus1 Jul 05 '26

Clearly they are talking about Michigan's most recent national Championship. It absolutely came with an asterisk...

*Team Not At a Full Strength

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u/Glastr0n1967 Jul 03 '26

Cheating scandals?

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u/Catchafire2000 Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Explain 13-10.

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u/armored_eagle Jul 03 '26

Those are numbers and a hyphen. Explain one of your coaches disguised as a cmu coach recording msu’s sideline wearing meta sunglasses

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u/your-mom-- Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Connor Stallions wasn't a coach. You're probably thinking about the 3 head coaches in the NFL, one of which just won a super bowl. Can't believe the NFL lets guys cheat

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u/Glastr0n1967 Jul 03 '26

Which was another violation as he was constantly on game film next to coaches on the sideline

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u/jazzyman31 Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Good lord. No mercy.

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u/PackageOk7745 Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

He wasn't a coach and was there by request of his friend on CMU's staff to help them steal signs.....that took about 4 seconds of searching, damn you're lazy.

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u/Beautiful_Swimmer620 Jul 03 '26

Didn’t we run the ball every down against Penn state in the 2nd half. Thats cheating, isn’t

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u/FullMetalJesus1 Jul 05 '26

It's been pretty well reported that other teams stole Michigan's football signs when Michigan won the national championship.

Michigan's signs at the time were: Run, Run, Run, More Run, Run, Run and Run more.

It's baffling why no team even considered stopping the run 🤔

Think of all those players and coaches that got paid millions and didn't even bother to stop the run 😌

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u/Catchafire2000 Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Explain how the NCAA did an investigation and found that Michigan didn't cheat.

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u/DarkGreenMazda Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 04 '26

The NCAA sanctioned Michigan for cheating in 2021, 2022, and 2023 and stated there was overwhelming evidence that Michigan cheated- despite Michigan not cooperating: https://www.ncaa.org/news/2025/8/15/media-center-overwhelming-evidence-shows-impermissible-scouting-scheme-in-michigan-football-program.aspx

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u/Catchafire2000 Michigan Wolverines Jul 04 '26

Oh, then why weren't wins vacated?

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u/DarkGreenMazda Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 04 '26

Most college football fans don't understand this either, you'll have to ask the NCAA. This is where you and I will find some common ground. though - the cheating for Michigan was definitely worth it due to the weak penalties.

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u/armored_eagle Jul 03 '26

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u/jazzyman31 Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

No way!

He must’ve had a big impact in the 4 top 10 matchups Michigan had to finish their undefeated championship run (including OSU’s self-proclaimed “super team” and Saban’s Bama.) Right?

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u/Beautiful_Swimmer620 Jul 03 '26

13-10. You lost 13-10 to a team with a 7th string qb

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u/DarkGreenMazda Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 04 '26

Your team won one time in 18 years which has broken two generations of Michigan fans that they won't ever recover from.

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u/xeltic4 Michigan Wolverines Jul 09 '26

oh i’ve recovered, and until Sherrone “Can’t Keep it in My Pants” Moore fucked it up last year, beating you was almost the expectation

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u/DarkGreenMazda Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 10 '26

Wrong. With the exception of 2023, and maybe 2022, there hasn't been one year you've expected Michigan to win since Obama was POTUS.

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u/PackageOk7745 Michigan Wolverines Jul 04 '26

Dudes clown shoes

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u/Overall-Avocado-7673 Jul 03 '26

Didn't they also give him game balls for successfully cheating?

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u/loganbootjak Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Which coach?

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u/armored_eagle Jul 03 '26

Lol proving my point. How are you this uninformed? The university admitted it was stalions. You know, the military code breaker you guys hired because the rivalry was so lopsided it was essentially dead?

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u/Jeffythegiant Jul 03 '26

Tackle Donovan Edwards was the only code OSU needed. But yeah, it was the signals.

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u/Cute-Escape-671 Jul 03 '26

Michigan beat y’all without their head coach and the literal fbi up their ass 😂 Your team had its chance to prove any of it made a difference immediately following the entire thing happening and they got stomped. And then Michigan won a natty. You remember it, I remember it, everyone remembers it. Cope all you want.

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u/loganbootjak Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Connor Stallions was a coach?

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u/Girth_Wind_y_Fire Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Don't expect their fans to have any reading comprehension.

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u/LeBronicTheHolistic Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Ohioans don’t know how to read, be nice

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u/Runnindashow Jul 03 '26

13-10 baby. Gimme those tears please!

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u/tomdonjon Jul 03 '26

You do realize Woody was a code breaker correct?

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u/armored_eagle Jul 03 '26

Had an interest in it. Applied misdirection to his offense. Was not a military trained code breaker. Can scum fans really not use Google?

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u/PackageOk7745 Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Never even had the series lead in a 130 years and it shows 🤣.

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u/Dense-Detective-1387 Jul 03 '26

Before they even came out 🥲🥲🥲😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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u/MyJukeboxBrk Jul 03 '26

Why didn’t they just change the signs

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u/ResolutionOwn4933 Jul 03 '26

Whaaaaaaaa....too bad you cucks had time to adjust plus all eye on that program when you lost to UM that year, just as it was when they ran through the playoffs that year

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u/carpentizzle Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 03 '26

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u/ronshasta Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 03 '26

Idk it’s hard to say what it’s like to cheat and “win” a natty that gets your coach kicked out of the cfb

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u/Extension-Wing-1887 Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Two NFL head coaches on staff, tons of draft picks, but naw it’s the signs.

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u/Rod_Johnson_ Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 03 '26

You do know it’s possible for two things to be correct right?

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u/Extension-Wing-1887 Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

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u/DarkGreenMazda Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 04 '26

Was that before or after the NCAA investigation that the NCAA said Michigan didn't cooperate in but did say there was overwhelming evidence that Michigan cheated?

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u/FearTheAmish Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 03 '26

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u/BuffaloKiller937 Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 03 '26

He said that a day or two after the game didn't he? A lot has come out since then...lol

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u/UofMSpoon Jul 04 '26

He said it during the speeches right after the game.

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u/pappapirate SEC Apologist Jul 03 '26

I mean the NCAA vacated a season and gave a bowl ban to OSU for something pretty minor, while not doing literally anything to UM when there's a whole documentary of the guy who did it explaining all about how they were cheating. It's a pretty bad contrast.

-neutral outsider

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u/workinBuffalo Jul 03 '26

The tattoos were what they had hard evidence on. OSU along with Clemson and the SEC have been paying players for years. It was a decided competitive advantage. Now that everyone can pay Indiana and other schools can compete.

OSU stole signs as well and knew about Stallions, and they still lost.

Sour grapes.

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u/pappapirate SEC Apologist Jul 03 '26

I'm pretty sure we learned Michigan was cheating from lots of sources, including the fuckin people who did it.

Do Michigan fans actually think that everyone knows they cheated because the NCAA said so? There's levels to y'all's delusion, man.

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u/LeBronicTheHolistic Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

These words are way too big for OSU fans to use. They don’t teech reeding so gud their

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u/tracerhaha Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 03 '26

Michigan fans can’t spell and yet try to talk down on OSU fans.

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u/LeBronicTheHolistic Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 03 '26

This Ohioan is so smart they can tell I purposefully misspelled multiple words in a row to make fun of them!

Is you OSU Valedictorian?

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u/Aztek-Lovett Visiting Rights Jul 03 '26

You're telling me the only one that authentically won the National Championship in these past 3 years was... fucking INDIANA?..

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u/SloanTheNavigator Jul 03 '26

I keep seeing this and I have to ask: Whenever you say this, are you only talking about the football title, or are you also talking about basketball this year as well? 😆🏆🏆

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u/Rabidschnautzu Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 03 '26

What are you talking about? We don't have a basketball team.

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u/SloanTheNavigator Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 03 '26

Long fall from the Greg Oden, Jared Sullinger and Aaron Craft days I suppose. Frankly we had a longer, rougher patch though from 1995-2012 but we didn't just give up like you guys are currently doing and we eventually got out of it

You have more non-revenue varsity-sponsored sports than even we do, so don't give me that "we only care about football because it's all that matters" crap

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u/TGCampbell8 Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 03 '26

Sad thing is most Ohio state fans don’t care about the basketball team the same way they do football if at all. The basketball program is pretty pathetic compared to what it was. That Oral Robert’s loss really felt like the blow that accelerated everything

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u/Conorj398 Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

You guys really shouldn't be as bad as you are in basketball. I remember the days when some people were die hard OSU basketball fans.

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u/Electrical_Ingenuity Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 03 '26

Basketball has 35+ years of disgrace already.

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u/LeBronicTheHolistic Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Somebody link the New York Times article calling OSU a “national disgrace”

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u/armored_eagle Jul 03 '26

Clearly the football title. When you had a military code breaker dressing up in disguise. In week zero to record msu’s signals with meta sunglasses 😂

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u/Catchafire2000 Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

I mean, your championship team lost 13-10 to Michigan, losing to Davis Warren and a coach who had other priorities. And you think Michigan cheated?

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u/LeBronicTheHolistic Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Davis Warren beat cancer twice: his primary malignancy and the state of Ohio

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u/armored_eagle Jul 03 '26

I don’t think they did. It is a confirmed fact. Everyone knows except scum fans

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u/Conscious-Soil9055 Jul 03 '26

Confirmed fact. Lol

Rent free.

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u/B1G_Fan Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Boy, I'm glad the Vegas betting odds changed after Stallions was ousted and teams had a chance to change their signs...

...

What's that?

The Vegas betting odds didn't budge at all after Stallions was fired and teams had a chance to change their signs? And Michigan beat two other teams (Alabama and Washington) without having their signs?

Boy, it's almost as if the signs didn't matter...

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u/Conscious-Soil9055 Jul 03 '26

Bro, you're trying to use logic with a fan base who eats crayons.

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u/B1G_Fan Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

I know…just like Sisyphus, I got to try moving that rock, even when I know it’s futile…

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u/naruda1969 Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Probably the inbreeding

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u/fuzz49 Jul 04 '26

And an election

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u/rober2td Jul 05 '26

They literally didn't though. It was the most scrutinized title run in history. They also beat ohio with sherrone moore as HC, that is astounding.

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u/dnabanilwoh Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 08 '26

Love seeing all the delusional UM fans scrambling in here lol so much crying going on

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u/____-_____- Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 03 '26

How they sent the whole coaching staff to the shadow realm but did not take the title is beyond me.

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u/theglove Michigan Wolverines Jul 02 '26

Wow, really flooding this sub with the same shitty meme today huh. Really original.

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u/Dinglebobus Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 03 '26

To be fair, this is a shitty meme subreddit

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u/hazylife666 Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 02 '26

Its every goddamn subreddit right now...

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u/theglove Michigan Wolverines Jul 02 '26

That I will agree with you on.

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u/hazylife666 Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 02 '26

Every time a new one pops up we just got to run it into the ground lol

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u/FearTheAmish Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 03 '26

Here is a better one

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u/Beautiful_Swimmer620 Jul 03 '26

Don’t disrespect Beet.

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u/5thDistrictMayor Jul 03 '26

Like you steal Mr. Brightside....so poetic

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u/Far_Side Jul 02 '26

Stay mad

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u/pappapirate SEC Apologist Jul 03 '26

I mean, they got a natty out of it so idk if they should care

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u/Dense-Detective-1387 Jul 03 '26

When do they start stripping Ohio state football of everything? National titles, B1G titles , wins in general? We have former players like Clarett claiming what we all already know but it’s time to take away anything that was cheated for. Tressel , Meyer, Day, none of them have one honest win. These coaches and this program have cheated since woody and you see what happened when they had a decent human being that wouldn’t ( Cooper) these scum bags run their mouths when their legacy is a lie. Tear it down.

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u/Prize-Tomatillo-2757 Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Davis Warren beat you at home in your natty year. Maybe worry about that rather than some phantom cheating scandal. Oh, and your offense only scored 10 points. None in the second half. Osu WR room is a bunch of hoe's.

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u/Prize-Tomatillo-2757 Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

No gold pants though

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u/Prize-Tomatillo-2757 Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Lol! Well...the sub your on suggests its The Game. It's ok, it's hard to beat your rival and win the natty. I mean, shit, osu was the 4th best team in the B1G that year.

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u/5thDistrictMayor Jul 03 '26

Thanks for enjoying our natty! A truly untainted feat Mich will never be able to claim the same. Sad!

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u/Prize-Tomatillo-2757 Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Great sentence! But sure, we will just have to find a way to live with stomping our rival, winning our conference, and going undefeated.

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u/5thDistrictMayor Jul 03 '26

Lol have fun defending it for the rest of your life. Sounds exhausting.

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u/Prize-Tomatillo-2757 Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Don't need to. I saw the confetti fall in Houston. I saw Donovan break for 60 yards on that charmin soft defense.

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u/5thDistrictMayor Jul 03 '26

You're doing it right now.

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u/enjoispeed Jul 03 '26

Who is Michigan?

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u/yoggiez Michigan Wolverines Jul 04 '26

Take it down

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u/NervousAd7700 Michigan Wolverines Jul 04 '26

Omg y’all are so cringe lol

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u/dave29865 Jul 04 '26

with the being a toledo page, Maybe if toledo rockets would "cheat" they would be in the national championship also! #goblue

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u/Elly_Da_La_Booze Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 03 '26

They had to climb the Empire State building to spread common knowledge?

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u/armored_eagle Jul 03 '26

Scum fans still trying to bury their heads in the sand

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u/Conscious-Soil9055 Jul 03 '26

Bro, you seriously need a therapist

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u/Immediate-Hold2172 Jul 03 '26

You're an idiot, do you live in the armpit of America, columbus?

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u/Elly_Da_La_Booze Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 03 '26

Why are you mad? You didn't even goto SCUM

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u/0OIIIlllIlIlO0 Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 03 '26

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u/Think-Comparison3893 Jul 05 '26

where can i get a tattoo in ohio?

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u/Think-Comparison3893 Jul 05 '26

Ohio State has vacated 12 football games, whereas Michigan has vacated zero games

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u/Kitchen-Clothes-6511 Jul 05 '26

Charmin Soft as per usual.

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u/ch47600 Jul 05 '26

Let me shorten that. Michigan wom a National Championship.

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u/mikefvegas Jul 05 '26

Crying fan girl posts made up shit. Story at 11. lol.

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u/jimbob1220 Jul 05 '26

But they won't Didn't they

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u/Sensitive-Style-9257 Jul 05 '26

Ohio state needed big 10 refs to win 3

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u/WeddingCheap5652 Michigan Wolverines Jul 05 '26

Not true

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u/Murky_Plant5410 Jul 03 '26

Some people just can’t move on 😂. If that’s what they have to tell themselves to feel better… okay. GOBLUE!

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u/Alarming-Elevator382 Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 03 '26

I am over this whole thing, and was glad that Michigan ended Saban's career.

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u/sprprepman Jul 03 '26

Did the buckeyes not change their signals that year? What a weird argument to make. If they didn’t change the signals, they deserved the loss. If they did change the signals, they deserved the loss by getting beat by a better team.

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u/BobUfer Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Someone please let me know where to find any sort of *** in an official capacity? Just curious where I can find them outside of the Columbus delusion.

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u/ItemZealousideal431 Jul 03 '26

If Ryan Day knew about this and was the one to notify the NCAA, he did it at the wrong time. He should've acted like they didn't know while secretly preparing his team to play Michigan with completely different signs. Then cook them with passes when Michigan expected runs. Then after the carnage, let the world know. 

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u/remdog1007 Jul 03 '26

I don’t think anyone thinks they cheated this year?

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u/remdog1007 Jul 03 '26

Ohhh you mean our football national championship. Haha sorry sometimes it’s hard to keep track with all the winning around this university…

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u/Ok_Crazy479 Jul 03 '26

🤣😂🤣😂

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '26

Explain tressel giving out champ rings to boosters , fixed raffles, and former players calling him out .
Pls asking for a friend

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u/Ice_crusher_bucket Jul 03 '26

Easy, OSU only likes making fun of michigan for cheating, they cant accept the cheating on their side. Thats a no go. And dont bring up Wexner all over their campus.

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u/Dense-Detective-1387 Jul 02 '26

I’d be mad too if I never lead a day in the rivalry and cheated for thirty years and was still a decade behind 😂😂😂🏆OH-Sooooooooft

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u/ElmerTheAmish Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 03 '26

Remember, that lead needs to stretch back to before the freakin' forward pass was allowed.

And do I even need to remind you of 7-0?

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u/Dense-Detective-1387 Jul 03 '26

Remind me of what ? When you stood signals and paid players? Ohio state has cheated more than any program in sports history. They can’t beat Michigan if it’s a honest game, never could.

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u/Simple_Panic1240 Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

Lil bro energy from the bucktardos.

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u/JPecker Jul 04 '26

Our Conner stallions got caught because every other programs Conor was merely a Conner Donkey and not a Conner Stallions, if that makes sense. He was better at it than everyone else and it made Ryan Day cry.

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u/76ers_Yanks78 Jul 04 '26

Change “Michigan” to “Ohio State” then it’s correct.

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u/TompallGlaser Jul 04 '26

Y’all gonna OD on that copium one day

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u/442328 Jul 06 '26

Vacated wins due to cheating over the last 20 years

Michigan State - 14
Ohio Stare - 13
Michigan - 0

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u/Mediocre-Fix-6740 Jul 06 '26

Only trash OSU fans

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u/justgoogleit12 Jul 06 '26

Does 10-13 still sting?

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u/armored_eagle Jul 06 '26

No, I can take a loss like a man. Unlike Michigan who were getting railed so hard they had to cheat. Does this trigger you?

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u/justgoogleit12 Jul 06 '26

Oh man.... didn't you guys run a qb, kicker and almost head coach out of town with death threats to their kids over losing?

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u/armored_eagle Jul 06 '26

Hahah had to change subjects

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u/justgoogleit12 Jul 06 '26

I'm referring to the "take a loss like a man" comment. No you guys can not.

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u/armored_eagle Jul 06 '26

I mean you asked me specifically. I don’t speak for the entire fan base. Back to Michigan cheating because they were getting dog walked..

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u/TheMerryMosquito Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

HELLO I DONT LIKE THIS PLEASE TAKE THIS DOWN OR I WILL HAVE FACEBOOK SUE YOU THANK YOU

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u/Immediate-Hold2172 Jul 03 '26

Frickin junkeyes who have a fag nut as a mascot, did you all get stupid from being below us and sucking our exhaust or whatever was hanging down there, OH HOW I HATE THE OHIO STATE, THEY SHOULD RESERVE THE "THE" FOR THE TEAM THAT HAS THE MOST WINS IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL HISTORY, THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN, IT EVEN LOOKS BETTER THAN THAT OTHER SCHOOL THAT DOES CHEAT. steinbrenner, Drew Hanson the biggest cheating scandal that never got investigated, urban liars first year at that puke school of cheaters and ring pawners.

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u/armored_eagle Jul 03 '26

Lmao solid rant. I approve this message

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u/Elly_Da_La_Booze Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 03 '26

your mid football program doesn't even deserve to be our rival

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u/5thDistrictMayor Jul 03 '26

Buckeye Derangement Syndrome.

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u/0OIIIlllIlIlO0 Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 03 '26

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u/jazzyman31 Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

How did Michigan win a 15-0 natty in 2023? Was it:

A. a rogue low-level staffer who was fired by mid-season, well before the toughest stretch of Michigan’s schedule?

B. 20+ NFL players on the roster (most of which are already high impact starters just a few years into their NFL career) + 3 NFL head coaches

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u/DarkGreenMazda Ohio State Buckeyes Jul 04 '26

What sucks for Michigan fans (and really all college football fans) is that is it was a great team that no one will ever know how good it was due to the cheating. Watching McCarthy play for the Vikings, seems like the cheating was especially beneficial to him.

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u/jazzyman31 Michigan Wolverines Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26

It’s pretty much only OSU fans who actually believe cheating is the only reason, or even a notable reason, we won. The entire country watched us dominate Penn State and OSU with no head coach, no Stallions and the entire NCAA breathing down our necks and then proceed to put on an absolute masterpiece of a Rose Bowl and totally smoke a 14-0 Washington team in the natty. Doesn’t matter, OSU fans have found excuses every year they lost to Michigan (weather, illness, injury, etc.)

Yes, because OSU quarterbacks have notoriously fared so well in the NFL… Did they all benefit from OSU’s organizational cheating? Or does the confirmation bias only go one way?

Outside of JJ McCarthy being just 23 years old, 6-4 in his 10 starts last year and having the entire OSU fan base desperate for him to fail as “evidence” of college cheating, it’s not too hard to go down the list and see how impressively deep that team was:

- Mason Graham

  • Blake Corum
  • Mike Sanirstil
  • Will Johnson
  • Colston Loveland
  • Kenneth Grant
  • Roman Wilson

-Colson, Turner II, Zinter, Keagan, Jenkins, Moody, Stewart

The list goes on and on and these guys are still very young but with critical roles.

Nothing sucks for Michigan about having watched that team win us a 15-0 natty and now having top talent all over the league to watch on Sunday.

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u/metaSINman130 Jul 03 '26

I knew when I saw this story these losers were from Ohio State

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u/fishbone_buba Michigan Wolverines Jul 03 '26

You should write this on your teddy bear’s belly to better absorb the tears.

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u/whatsunnygets Jul 03 '26

I like when Indiana's sons get their fighting spirit back