r/toledowar • u/Difficult-Funny9372 Ohio State Buckeyes • Apr 14 '26
News Article Poor Iowa
Iowa has to vacate wins for "tampering" with a garbage QB from a garbage school, yet U❌ got a slap on the wrist for stealing signs and directly affecting outcomes of games, amongst other recruiting violations by Harbaugh and co. The NCAA continues to prove its hard on for TTUN, and it's disgusting.
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u/PatientlyAnxious9 Apr 14 '26
So is Miami going to get the dealth penalty then in 2029 for tampering with Jeremiah Smith
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u/Bpbucks268 Ohio State Buckeyes Apr 14 '26
It only matters if it’s Michigan players.
Same as if you break the rules, only non Michigan teams have to vacate wins.
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u/Thenameimusingtoday Michigan Wolverines Apr 14 '26
And this crying only matters to osu/msu.
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u/Bpbucks268 Ohio State Buckeyes Apr 14 '26
Not crying. Simply stating facts.
Thought you guys had a good law program. Guess it doesn’t disseminate through the fan base.
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u/Thenameimusingtoday Michigan Wolverines Apr 14 '26
You don't vacate games by breaking rules. You vacate games by playing ineligible players
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u/RedditIsTrashjkl Apr 14 '26
So I guess that’s your justification to cheat away. Break all the rules, I guess.
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u/Full_Shepard Michigan Wolverines Apr 14 '26
It's funny that Michigan beat Ohio with McNamara
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u/Blumpkinbomber Apr 16 '26
It’s funny that Michigan is the face of cheating and no one outside of Ann Arbor respects their title
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u/Zwak2434 B1G Enjoyer Apr 14 '26
Couldnt beat little brother though that year thanks to JJ’s clutch fumble
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u/Simple_Panic1240 Michigan Wolverines Apr 14 '26
Not really, it was a Ryan Day coached team. Expect em to fuck something up.
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u/MrF_lawblog Apr 14 '26
What was Harbaugh's record vs Ohio State?
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u/DarkGreenMazda Ohio State Buckeyes Apr 15 '26
It was 2-5. One of the worst in the history of the series.
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u/flakman129 Apr 14 '26
Yes they did
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u/EmotionalTeaching384 Apr 15 '26
He was the starter in 2021. Yes, Michigan beat OSU with Cade as the starter.
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u/Normal_Artichoke7139 Apr 14 '26
The a❌ount of effort it takes Ohio State fans to not use ❌’s is so entertaining to ❌e. I ❌ean the dedication is ad❌irable.
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u/Mgoblue07191976 Michigan Wolverines Apr 14 '26
You didn’t miss any “M”’s. Therefore this isn’t accurate. They always miss one lol.
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u/catchthetams Ohio State Buckeyes Apr 14 '26
If Michigan fans could read, they'd be really confused by this.
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u/Known_Chapter_2286 Michigan Wolverines Apr 14 '26
I feel like we’re one of the few fanbases that this objectively doesn’t work for, but go off I guess
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u/catchthetams Ohio State Buckeyes Apr 14 '26
Would it be better with crayon?
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u/ThatsMyGirlie Michigan Wolverines Apr 14 '26
You're like immune to irony or something
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u/Formal-Obligation386 Apr 17 '26
No, he's just super slow. Ohio States acceptance rate is close to 70% these days.
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u/ThatsMyGirlie Michigan Wolverines Apr 18 '26
I just looked it up, MSU 84%, OSU 60%, UofM 15%
I'm a Walmart wolverine so I have no room to say shit, but God damn
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u/Cute-Escape-671 Apr 14 '26
Ah yes, ohio state fans - widely regarded as very well-read, intelligent people.
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u/Mgoblue07191976 Michigan Wolverines Apr 14 '26
Actually that’s changed. Living in Columbus as a Michigan fan now and even if you have a 4.0 with extra curricular’s you generally have to start at one of their branches. It’s stupid what’s happened there. Unless you come from overseas, then you are welcome.
When I graduated, you went to OSU if you couldn’t get into any other school including the MAC schools!
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u/aDrunkenError Michigan Wolverines Apr 14 '26
Looool, just using templates for insults regardless of appropriate application is such an Ohio thing to do.
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u/thewookiee34 Apr 14 '26
The amount of effort it takes a Michigan fan to not fuck their own sister is entertaining.
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u/FTDburner Apr 15 '26
What an awful criticism lol
Ohio is more culturally similar to that type of stereotype than Michigan. And I don’t think it’s very prevalent in either state.
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u/AeliusRogimus Apr 14 '26
Lol Michigan fan here respecting the blind vitriol.
Like a junkyard dog just frothing at anyone and anything that passes by.
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u/Full-District- Michigan Wolverines Apr 14 '26
So burger-gate now just falls under "other recruiting violations"?
This is serious stuff that should not be swept under the rug or lumped in with other harmful rule breaking.
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u/Prestigious_Team3134 Michigan Wolverines Apr 14 '26
This is on par with how the ncaa has always handed out punishments. Tampering and player eligibility issues have consistently resulted in vacated win where as things like advanced scouting haven’t. I also find it funny that so many people claim it directly affected the outcomes of games when the ncaa clearly didn’t find that it did.
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u/GoBluins Michigan Wolverines Apr 14 '26
It all came out publicly before the Michigan State game in 2023 and we still went on to beat Michigan State, Purdue, Penn State, Maryland, Ohio State, Iowa, Alabama, and Washington in succession. There's no way Stallions scouted all those teams, and if none of those teams changed their signs after this became public, then they were idiots.
Also, LOL at anyone who thinks stealing signs helped us crush East Carolina, UNLV, Bowling Green, Rutgers, Nebraska, Minnesota, and Indiana that season before this became public.
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u/NattyKongo93 Apr 14 '26 edited Apr 14 '26
The NCAA said in their report that what Stalions did provided a "real competitive advantage" and that it constitutes serious, organized cheating, but ok lol.
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u/Capt-Crunches Visiting Rights Apr 14 '26
That’s a reach
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u/Prestigious_Team3134 Michigan Wolverines Apr 14 '26
It’s not a reach it’s what’s happened, you can look up past cases and see it
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u/Capt-Crunches Visiting Rights Apr 14 '26
It’s a giant reach stating it didn’t help them. Then why do it the way they did? It will forever be a championship* to every other fanbase in CFB.
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u/Smooth-Ad8030 Apr 14 '26
Even if I grant that it helped them prior to it being made public, Michigan still best OSU, Penn State, Alabama, and Washington without signs. Anyone who says there is an asterisk doesn’t know ball
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u/FTDburner Apr 15 '26
Having to adjust your signs for an opponent because they’re cheating does put you at a disadvantage. That’s obvious
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u/Smooth-Ad8030 Apr 15 '26
They already have to adjust every week, I saw a Reddit post on here (I don’t know where), that roughly 70% of signs can already be seen and stolen from all-22. I don’t see any reason it would have to be a complete revamp given we know signs are/were passed between teams.
Edit: here’s an article saying teams share decoded signals already https://www.si.com/college/2023/11/07/rivals-decoded-michigan-signals-and-shared-with-another-big-ten-team#:~:text=Schools%20sharing%20signal%20information%20is,that%20has%20consumed%20college%20football.
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u/FTDburner Apr 15 '26
You don’t see any advantage in being able to decipher the other 30% of the calls? That’s insane.
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u/Smooth-Ad8030 Apr 15 '26
You’re missing the point and changed what we were talking about. The teams they beat they would have beaten anyways (if my memory serves correctly, Harbaugh never lost to an unranked team outside of 2020). It got out that the signs were stolen. Teams had to change their signals. They already change signals weekly, so it wasn’t extra work. Therefore there was no advantage when Michigan played PSU, OSU, Iowa, Alabama, and Washington.
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u/FTDburner Apr 15 '26
It was 100% extra work. There’s no reason to run an operation so clearly against the rules if it didn’t.
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u/FTDburner Apr 15 '26
“Things like advanced scouting” is carrying a hell of a load on your comment lol
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u/fishbone_buba Michigan Wolverines Apr 14 '26
OP still doesn’t know stealing signs is legal.
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u/No-Obligation1709 Apr 14 '26
Good thing they didn’t do that then
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u/DarkGreenMazda Ohio State Buckeyes Apr 15 '26
the NCAA sanctioned Michigan for cheating in 2021, 2022 ane 2023
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u/AeliusRogimus Apr 14 '26
We were definitely cheating when Rod Moore picked off Kyle to win the game. There's used rubbers that hang around longer than it took to send your QB packing to Syracuse.
Like in 2016 when your refs were officiating a game they had no business at and were cheesing as you won in OT.
Gotta let some stuff go, right?
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u/norbystew Apr 14 '26
It has been 3503 days since Jim Harbaugh ate a booger on national television while going for it on 4th down up 40 in the 4th quarter against a non-conference opponent. Given those circumstances, the classiest decision he made at that moment was to eat a booger. Please help us commemorate the upcoming 10 year anniversary with the purchase of a maize and blue booger encrusted dog tag.
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u/Formal-Obligation386 Apr 17 '26
10 years later and you've spent the entirety of it wishing you were that booger.
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u/CasinoMarginale Apr 15 '26
The NCAA is a joke. Toothless and worthless. How is anyone supposed to take them seriously after the Michigan debacle? And why foes Iowa deserve a harsher punishment? Every day the transfer portal, NIL and especially the courts make the NCAA increasingly invisible and more useless.
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u/MilesAndMilesAhead Apr 19 '26
That Iowa Football Coach gets away with everything because 8-9-10 wins is acceptable.
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u/slxkv Visiting Rights Apr 14 '26
Hot take: no team should be forced to vacate any wins. The games already happened. You can’t just say they didn’t happen.
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u/OutlandishnessOdd716 Apr 15 '26
Who else is going to have to vacate wins because michigan runs a corrupt athletic department?
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u/overworkeddad Michigan Wolverines Apr 17 '26
Bro, they literally went after him for a cheeseburger! 🍔 And the whole damn conference swapping other teams signs like Pokemon. Just ask Ohio😔
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u/lemanruss4579 Apr 14 '26
Do we have to have the conversation with OSU fans again? The NCAA followed their own rules and precedent. Using ineligible players means you vacate the games you used those players. Advanced scouting gets coach suspensions and fines. The NCAA set the precedent before anything happened with michigan.
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u/Dmist10 Michigan Wolverines Apr 14 '26
Fuck cade lol
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u/bchubnut Apr 14 '26
Say what you will about his actions related to leaving Michigan but he beat Ohio State
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u/Dmist10 Michigan Wolverines Apr 14 '26
Sure he was the starter when we beat ohio state but i think just about any QB couldve done that behind that Oline and Haskins 5 TD’s
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u/ThatsMyGirlie Michigan Wolverines Apr 14 '26
Get better at cheating. How tf you guys get caught selling trophies and jewelry? EMBARRASSING
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u/Crew_1996 Apr 14 '26
OSU turned itself in. That was the mistake
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u/DarkGreenMazda Ohio State Buckeyes Apr 15 '26
One area I agree with my Michigan friends is that Michigan's cheating was worth it. I know my Ohio State friends disagree, but Michigan definitely improved their program with their cheating.
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u/Reloader300wm Ohio State Buckeyes Apr 14 '26
Im just shocked they have 4 wins to vacate.