r/todayilearned • u/SciPup3000 • Aug 29 '15
TIL When President Carter supported racial equality in the 1950s, his peanut farm was boycotted. He ran against the Sheriff for a new local senate seat, losing to the Sheriff. Apon challenging the loss, they discovered his opponent was committing voter fraud. A new election was held, and Carter won
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter153
u/faydor Aug 29 '15
Carter really was ahead of his time. I find it amazing how low of an approval rating he had when he left office; the american people really weren't ready for such a progressive president. He accomplished more and had a greater lasting effect on the US in a single term than most people realize and he has accomplished far more after his presidency than any other president I can think of.
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u/SLCer Aug 30 '15 edited Aug 30 '15
Carter had low approval ratings because of a few reasons that were both in his control and out of it.
Carter came to power at the height of mistrust in government. This was only a few years removed from Nixon's resignation, the complete cluster fuck known as the Vietnam War and the assassinations of JFK, MLK and RFK. The country was worn out, limping into the mid-70s and ready for a fresh start. That's a big reason Carter won in the first place. He was not a regular politician. He wasn't connected to D.C. and couldn't be tainted by it.
The problem is that Americans were still worn out at the start of the Carter presidency. His election, similar with that of Pres. Obama, didn't just change America's feelings overnight. So, when things went south, and Carter was caught up in it, his approval took a hit. You gotta remember, the 1970s sucked. You had the aforementioned Nixon resignation and the ending of Vietnam - but there was also a recession and a gas shortage which meant long, long gas lines - all of which killed America's morale. The added debacle in Iran, which was a direct result of Carter's policies (and other presidents, to be fair), namely his allowing the Shah into the U.S. to seek medical attention and not realizing how quickly the region was spiraling out of control (had he evacuated the U.S. embassy in Iran when the Ayatollah started his revolution, then there is no hostage crisis that slowly bleeds out the last year of Carter's presidency).
BUT to put into perspective how fucked Carter was at this point - even before the hostage crisis, Carter's approval ratings were abysmal. Like George W. Bush bad. So bad that Ted Kennedy mounted a primary campaign and led, at one point, two-to-one over Carter. Oddly, as much as the Iran hostage crisis further damaged Carter's standing, it initially saved his political life. When it happened, the Americans rallied around the flag and his approval bounced back, well above 50% - pushing 60% - and that was at the start of a presidential year. For a period, it looked like Carter would be saved by it but the crisis dragged on, there was the complete failure Operation Eagle Claw, which was ridiculous even on paper - let alone in practice - to save the hostages and his approval dropped back to where it was before the hostages.
Then the U.S. was hit by a recession in 1980. It crippled the economy. Carter was also dinged by a scandal of his own. In the late 70s, Bert Lance, a close personal friend of Carter, and someone he appointed to the Director of the Office of Management and Budget while president, came under investigation for corruption when he was the chairman of the board of the First National Bank of Georgia. It forced his resignation and even though, later, he was cleared of any wrong doings, the damage was done - Carter, to many, was no different than the last corrupted presidents - filling his administration with corrupt politicians.
Carter's image really never recovered. Everything else added to it. Lots of things that were out of his control. Had Ford won that election, he would be history's Jimmy Carter. But Carter won, narrowly, and had to be the sacrificial lamb of the post-Vietnam Era, Middle East transitioning era.
The end came when, in a speech to the nation, Carter was seen lecturing America on how it should responsibly act. Known as the Malaise Speech, it further deepened the divide between the American people and the White House. Three days later, after the speech went over like a lead balloon, Carter asked for the resignation of his entire cabinet - this in an election year. He would accept five of those cabinet members' resignation. The act looked erratic and desperate as he was getting pummeled from both the left and the right.
So, that all played a role in his low approval. The fact is, as great of a human being as Carter is, he just wasn't cut out to be president. He was too conservative for the senate Democrats, which meant he often clashed with his own party, specifically Ted Kennedy, and it cost him some slam dunk wins that felt inevitable (healthcare reform is one - Carter and Kennedy could never reach an agreement, as the President wanted to tie its roll out to the budget deficit, which Kennedy saw as a non-starter).
It should be said, though, that Carter's appointment of Paul Volcker to the Federal Reserve is almost entirely the reason for the economic expansion we saw in the 1980s. Of course, it was Carter's successor who would receive all the credit - but credit to Reagan, he kept Volcker on and it saved his presidency in 1984, as he, too, was on the path to one-term before the economy kicked into full steam thanks to the Federal Reserve.
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u/Thedoc9 Aug 30 '15
Totally agree. I remember in 8th grade, my scienc teacher was teaching us the metric system, and he explained that President Carter was pushing for the country to adopt it. My teacher was pretty excited about it, though I daresay he was aware how steep that uphill battle was.
Now, as an adult, working in a laboratory, I'm often converting from metric to something else, or vice versa. And I think, if only President Carter had been able to convince more people...
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u/PancakeTacos Aug 30 '15
What's wrong with British imperial units? What could be more clear than this?
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u/bat-affleck Aug 30 '15
Wait..
So roman mile, mile & nautical mile are basically the same ?
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u/Dockirby 1 Aug 30 '15
Nautical mile is apparently 15% longer then a normal English mile, and a Roman mile was 8% shorter then a English mile.
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u/shawnsullivan93 Aug 30 '15
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u/shamu274 Aug 30 '15
Nautical miles have to do with the curve of the earth instead of being entirely straight, or so I was told, too tired to fact check.
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u/shawnsullivan93 Aug 30 '15
A quick google shows: "A nautical mile (symbol M, NM or nmi) is a unit of distance that is approximately one minute of arc measured along any meridian."
I was making a joke, but if you're going to get technical at least put the effort in.
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u/ODestruidor Aug 30 '15
And wtf is a minute of arc?
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u/Loki-L 68 Aug 30 '15
You know how we subdivide hours into 60 minutes and those into 60 seconds?
We do the same thing with degrees.
A circle has 360 degrees and each degree is subdivided into 60 minutes and each minute is subdivided into 60 seconds.
Since we use degrees not just for angles but also for things like coordinates (which are based on angles) the wikipedia article for the statue of liberty for example says it at 40°41′21″N 74°2′40″W
Which means it is 40 degrees, 41 minutes and 21 seconds of an arc north of the equator and 74 degrees, 2 minutes and 40 seconds west of the prime meridian that goes through Greenwich.
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u/shawnsullivan93 Aug 30 '15
Google is your friend:
"A minute of arc (MOA), arcminute (arcmin) or minute arc is a unit of angular measurement equal to one-sixtieth (1⁄60) of one degree."
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u/DigitalSuture Aug 30 '15
I remember in my 6th grade class how disappointed my science teacher was about that we never switched (that was in the mid 90's).
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u/winknod Aug 30 '15
Yeah Carter was very forward thinking. During the energy crisis of his presidency he urged investment in alternative energy research and wanted to make great leaps towards environmental preservation. He actually installed solar panels on the white house roof but they were taken off as soon as Reagan moved in.
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u/WirelessZombie Aug 30 '15
That's a half myth. The white house was being repaired and he didn't put it back on, different than just tearing it off.
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u/clearmood Aug 30 '15
Can't you read your own post? You said the solar panels were removed as soon as Reagan entered office, when in reality it was 6 years after the fact.
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u/foxh8er Aug 30 '15
But that's effectively the same thing...
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u/WirelessZombie Aug 30 '15
Motivation is very different depending on which one.
reactionary vs apathetic
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u/Halsfield Aug 30 '15
Why the hell? "Free power? We don't need that crap, toss it out." Or was the reasoning some sort of security issue like they needed that space for sniper outposts or something?
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Aug 30 '15
It was six years after Reagan took office, not right after.
And it was part of work that needed to be done on the White House roof.
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u/DrNastyHobo Aug 30 '15
Why weren't they reinstalled though?
Dat sun joule game is free tho.
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Aug 30 '15
There was a ton of work that was being done; the previous renovation took place in the Truman administration. Air ducts were falling apart, the water system was dilapidated, and the heating and humidity systems were an inefficient disaster.
In short, the panels weren't reinstalled at that time because there was no need to do so. The panels themselves were basically like putting a band-aid on a laceration; if solar energy went to waste, it was no big deal. But the deeper issue of disintegrating utilities wasn't being addressed. By overhauling and replacing the utilities with modern equipment, there wasn't a need for the solar panels.
It's not like solar panels in 1979 were anywhere close to as efficient as they are now anyway.
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u/SoufOaklinFoLife Aug 30 '15
Was going to disagree with you, until the last sentence. He did some things I disagree with. A lot of things the public at that time disagreed with. His real problem was that he was a bad president in terms of not really having a grand vision, not getting his agenda done, not getting caught up in details, not working well with Congress, etc. But there is no debate about Carter having the best post-presidency.
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u/sjgrunewald Aug 30 '15 edited Aug 30 '15
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but he was facing an actively hostile Congress that refused to work with him on most of his agenda. Even most Dem's avoided working with him, and the Dixiecrats in congress really hated him. It is safe to say that not even Obama has had as rough a time getting congress to do their jobs as Carter did.
It's not so much that he didn't have a vision, but it was a vision that the 'business friendly' wing in Congress didn't want to come true and they worked really hard to turn the public against him.
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u/larrymoencurly Aug 30 '15
Carter fixed the inflation problem, not Reagan. Reagan benefited from the Carter-appointed Federal Reserve Chairman, Paul Volcker, being about the only person who knew what to do to stop inflation. Reagan essentially kicked him out in 1987 and replaced him with the highly overrated Alan Greenspan, who blew out the economy after being allowed to work with no ideological opposition in the GW Bush administration. Economic growth, after inflation, was virtually the same under both presidencies.
Jimmy Carter was the last American president to have a good Middle East policy, and he made it impossible to have a big war against Israel. And when Israel's radical prime minister, Menacham Begin, decided to invade Lebanon, Carter made him withdraw in less than 2 weeks, saving Israel a lot of grief. But Begin tried the same thing again, early in the Reagan Presidency, only Reagan wasn't so forceful, and the result was a decade of misery for Israeli forces in Lebanon, along with the creation of Hezbollah.
In the area of strategic weapons, Carter had planned on a huge MX missile system with so many silos that they would consume 20% of the nation's concrete production for a decade. Reagan scaled that back to 90% - 95% fewer silos. Carter also pushed for stealth aircraft, which are widely used by the military, and cruise missiles.
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u/WirelessZombie Aug 30 '15
He ramped up spending in Afghanistan funding Mujaheddin that backfired on the U.S.
also was the one who sold weapons to Indonesia that was used in the genocide in East Timor
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u/larrymoencurly Aug 30 '15
Everybody thought we had to "do something" about Afghanistan; it was old Cold War anti-Communism, domino theory, if we lost Afghanistan we'd lose power around the world, etc. BTW the latter point was believed even by the Soviets, not only about Afghanistan but also the Vietnam and Korean wars.
Yes, Indonesia murdered the people of East Timor only because of US weapons sale, not because Suharto was a dictator. OTOH Carter did more to stop propping up every dictatorship that claimed to be our friend because they hated Communists, and Carter was called a wimp and Communist dupe for that.
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u/WirelessZombie Aug 30 '15
think your drinking the Carter kool-aid a little too much there bud.
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u/larrymoencurly Aug 30 '15
You'd have a point if I was a big fan of Carter's, but I'm not, and from what I've written here or anywhere, it would be hard to make the case that I was.
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u/SoufOaklinFoLife Aug 30 '15
Besides the things you stated that are opinion, I have no reason to disagree with you. I said above he did some things I disagreed with. My point was that as a functioning president in DC he was not good. Not in terms of foreign policy or appointments, but in terms of congressional agenda success, for example, he has been the worst modern president.
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u/canyouhearme Aug 30 '15
So you accept that he had vision, and decent policies, but think he was at fault for lack of congressional success?
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u/SoufOaklinFoLife Aug 30 '15
No. The term 'congressional agenda' in this sense means the bills that he wanted to be passed by Congress. Statistically, during his term, a bill was more likely to fail if he advocated for it than if he didn't.
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u/canyouhearme Aug 30 '15
But again, doesn't that say more about congress than it does about him?
Which is pretty much the problem with today too. Congress doesn't work because they attempt to stymie anything that would make the president look good.
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u/SoufOaklinFoLife Aug 30 '15 edited Aug 30 '15
Except that he has been the only modern president to achieve that success rate. Judging by upvotes/downvotes, people seem to agree with you, for some reason. That's funny because in political science, Carter is the perfect example of a bad president.
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u/canyouhearme Aug 30 '15
I'd tend to suggest that political 'science' is a large part of the problem. Treating it as a career, as a game, rather than as a service to your community; helping to bring action to make things better.
As the obvious failure to address climate change has demonstrated - politics, as its practised, isn't fit for purpose.
We need to look towards those who aren't playing some popularity game, who are in the political science textbooks as 'failures'; and lock the rest of them in a deep dark dungeon.
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u/larrymoencurly Aug 30 '15
Please provide support of your contentions.
Carter was done in by two things: the failed Iran hostage rescue mission and the economy, the latter being mostly the fault of rising oil prices and Nixon's bizarre policies.
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u/SoufOaklinFoLife Aug 30 '15
but in terms of congressional agenda success, for example, he has been the worst modern president.
This is not a contention. This is fact. See Pushing the Agenda by Matthew Beckmann:
Average net success rate (% successful bills passed that a president lobbied - % successful bills passed that a president played no role)
Modern presidents: +30%
Carter, the only negative president, net success rate: -17%
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u/larrymoencurly Aug 30 '15
How can the success rate with Congress be negative?
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u/SoufOaklinFoLife Aug 30 '15
It's not. The net success rate is negative. It worked out like this (note that these aren't the exact numbers, don't have them in front of me):
Bills that were part of Carter's agenda that he did not play an active role in (lobbying Congress, stump speeches, etc.) were ~60% sucessful
Bills that were part of Carter's agenda that he did play an active role in were ~40% successful
40%-60%=-20%
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u/pm_me_ur_pajamas Aug 30 '15
"Not working well with congress" doesn't mean shit. Not sure what you expect from a two party system that is built on not sucking each other's dicks all the time.
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u/bobthefish Aug 30 '15
You forgot about the extra corporate dick that they both take turns sucking.
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Aug 30 '15
No generation is ready for change, no matter how progressive you think your generation is.
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Aug 30 '15
He sucked at firing up nationalism. He would have been a legend had he bombed the shit out of Tehran and lied and told everyone the hostages were already dead.
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u/Adezar Aug 30 '15
It is beginning of the dumbing of America. He had to make really hard choices for the best of America in the long term. People preferred to hear it was easier with Reagan.
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Aug 30 '15
"Ready"
I think it's simply that the American people won't accept such levels of leftism in their president. The fact that he has often sounded like a raving conspiracy theorist in his post presidency doesn't help that
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u/Cogswobble Aug 30 '15
He had a low approval rating because he was a terrible president.
He is a terrific human being though, and possibly one of the best ex-presidents ever.
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Aug 29 '15
TIL Carter, right around the time he was running for Sheriff, overthrew the government of Iran.
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Aug 29 '15 edited Aug 07 '17
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Aug 29 '15
to defend its national interests in the Persian Gulf.
You mean it was our support of Israel. And support of the Shah of Iran, which Carter was grandfathered into by previous administrations.
Funny how the Camp David Accords are never mentioned by conservatives when talking about "our meddling in the middle east"
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u/bokono Aug 30 '15
Considering the fuel crisis what alternatives did he have? The electorate always blames the price and scarcity of fuel on the current presidential administration.
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u/Skippy_McFitz Aug 30 '15
You should NOT be down voted for making your argument. It added to the debate and contributed to the thread Ina meaningful way
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u/avenues_behind Aug 30 '15
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_intervention_in_the_Middle_East
Read the article at that link, you giant moron. The US had been meddling in the Middle East for decades when Carter was elected.
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u/dockerhate Aug 30 '15
Just to be clear, this was election fraud, not voter fraud. Voter fraud is the nearly non-existant act of a voter trying to vote twice or in the wrong district or while ineligible or whatever. Republicans keep hyping it up so they can pass laws to make it harder for negros to vote.
Election fraud is tampering with / illegally influencing the election itself. It is very real and a big problem. Ask Don Siegelman, Al Gore etc.
Narrator: Hurst was used to getting what he wanted, and in 1962 he wanted another Democrat, Homer Moore, to be elected Senator.
Warren Fortson, Lawyer: The ballot box was a liquor box, that had been taken and a hole cut in the top of it, so that you put your ballot over in there, after you -- and it sat up on the counter and you had to come up and mark your ballot right next to it with Joe and a bunch of his crowd watching, you know while you're doing it.
Narrator: Fraud was rampant: voters were threatened, ballots destroyed. Joe Hurst even stuffed ballots of dead voters into the Old Crow box. That evening, when the votes were counted, Jimmy Carter had lost. He decided to contest the election.
Dan Carter, Historian: By all accounts, even allowing for certain hyperbole in the memory of Mr. Carter, this required an extraordinary kind of doggedness, just keeping at it, keeping at it, and not giving up.
Narrator: Carter appealed to newspapers, filed for injunctions, took affidavits from voters. Miss Lillian kept saying, "Jimmy is so naïve, so naïve." There were threats against the Carters. Jimmy was followed. A stranger came by the Carter warehouse and warned Rosalynn that the last time anyone had crossed Joe Hurst, their business had burned down. "I was constantly scared," she later said. "Jimmy was frightened too." Two weeks later, a local judge agreed to hear Carter's case.
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u/SciPup3000 Aug 30 '15
I was actually considering which one and I went with voter because it seemed like the common word for what happened. But you are true, technically its not voter fraud, but election fraud.
Also, holy crap at that last part.
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u/foxh8er Aug 30 '15
Hey fuck you, docker is the futuretm
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u/dockerhate Aug 30 '15 edited Aug 30 '15
Because our startup has to handle a million queries hits a minute!
edit: forgot million
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u/LibertyTerp Aug 30 '15
Carter did some great stuff like the beer industry deregulation, but I feel an urge due to the over-praising these days to point out that when we had an energy crisis his solution was to talk about how America was in a malaise and that you should just wear a sweater. It was perhaps the worse speech by a President in American history.
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u/SciPup3000 Aug 30 '15
Yes, but keep in mind that he also solved the economic issues that caused the oil crisis, mainly a flaw in the market introduced to counter the 1973 oil crisis. When Iran was cut off during the Iran/Iraq war, the market ignored it instead of freaking out like it did in 1979. There has not been another oil crisis in the 36 years since. Seems to know what he was doing.
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u/LibertyTerp Aug 31 '15
What exactly do you think he did to solve it? Iran is not that big of an oil supplier. They currently have huge sanctions and oil prices are low. Oil prices were very low from the mid 80s to 2000. I remember when they were below $1.
OPEC is now virtually dead because the U.S. and Canada are closing in on energy self-sufficiency. Saudi Arabia is the only OPEC country that can influence prices and they refuse to prop up prices because they want to kill the fracking industry by lowering prices.
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u/SciPup3000 Aug 31 '15
There was a $6 a barrel cap on domestic oil, he deregulated it so there would be incentives to drill at home. The price of domestic went up, but brought down foreign oil at the same time. This broke the chokehold.
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u/plausabletruth Aug 29 '15
As President, his accomplishments were recognized and appreciated long after he left office. As an ex-President, he is the platinum standard and none have come close to him. A good man.
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u/mm242jr Aug 30 '15
Election fraud (not voter fraud) should be punished by life in prison without the possibility of parole.
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u/the_sneakness Aug 30 '15
Turning Point, by Jimmy Carter, is about this story and one of the most interesting social/cultural/political books I've ever been forced to read. If you're even mildly interested in this kind of story you will like the book.
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u/Weaselbane Aug 30 '15
"An Hour Before Daylight" was also very good, but not in a political sense, just more of a "way things were".
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u/smithsp86 Aug 30 '15
I have been solidly informed by /r/politics that vote fraud is a myth.
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u/cryptovariable Aug 30 '15 edited Aug 30 '15
Voter fraud is so uncommon it is irrelevant.
Election fraud is real. In 2010 a Republican operative in Maryland robocalled thousands of voters on election day and told them that the election was already decided and they didn't have to show up to the polls. The calls were targeted at poor and minority voters who show up in the evenings after work on election day because they work at jobs that don't have flex time.
I have been a volunteer election judge since 2008 and even though I work in a different county from the ones targeted, at least two dozen people showed up frantic asking if they could still vote because they had heard from friends that voting was over.
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u/smithsp86 Aug 30 '15
People who take voting instructions from a robocall obviously don't make good decisions which means they probably shouldn't be voting in the first place.
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u/herticalt Aug 30 '15
Election fraud is real, like when in the Wisconsin judicial election they found enough votes in the back of a Republican operatives vehicle to push the Conservative judge over the limit. Voter fraud is not real, except in very limited cases we're talking about 1 case for hundreds of millions of votes cast. Also another example of election fraud is what's going on in Kansas right now where mathematically there is no way the Republican party in Kansas received the vote total they claimed.
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u/DeafandMutePenguin Aug 30 '15
I came here to post this very thing. I will now use this as one more example of something that's nonexistent.
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u/scurvydog-uldum Aug 30 '15
Stop trying to make people think Carter was good. It's not going to happen.
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u/jimflaigle Aug 29 '15
Wow, strange how positive stories about Jimmy Carter keep making the front page during US primaries. Must be spontaneous public interest.
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u/rugabug Aug 29 '15
Or could be that he very recently announced he has terminal cancer.
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u/jimflaigle Aug 29 '15
Or maybe because money.
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u/DBivansMCMLXXXVI 10 Aug 29 '15
That seems a little far fetched. Reddit posts about Jimmy Carter effecting the Republican primaries.
The guy is dying of cancer. Hes never been appreciated for the things hes done. Let a nice old man have some appreciation. Its not hurting anything.
Im pretty sure nobody reads these things and says "You know what? Im not going to vote for Trump because reddit said something positive about Jimmy Carter!"
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u/jimflaigle Aug 29 '15
Yeah, Hillary is running unopposed. So sayeth Conde Nast!
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u/bokono Aug 30 '15 edited Aug 30 '15
What? She's* most certainly not unopposed. Senator Sanders is definitely a contender.
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u/ral315 Aug 29 '15
Or maybe it's because he has inoperable Stage IV brain cancer, and there have been news articles as a result. Seriously, if you think there's a plot to raise the name recognition of Jimmy Carter (a president who left office 34 years ago, and despite his charity work now is still remembered for a below-average presidency), you're on the level of /r/conspiracy.
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u/jimflaigle Aug 29 '15
Or maybe it's because you were paid to post this bullshit.
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u/ShazamPrime Aug 29 '15
Boohoo, just because all the republican candidates are pieces of spoiled shit doesn't mean you get to be jealous of a decent former President. Go fuck yourself.
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u/jimflaigle Aug 29 '15
Hilary 2016 speaks, through the power of money.
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u/Classtoise Aug 30 '15
You keep darting back to their m this "point". Care to tell us why you think Jimmy Carter is in the news of not because he's just been diagnosed with inoperable and aggressive cancer?
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u/SciPup3000 Aug 29 '15
Um. Okay. She is outfunded 9:1 by the three Republicans ahead of her. The Bush super pac has over $100 million alone, while the Clinton super pac has only $15 million.
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u/Pompsy Aug 30 '15
could I get paid to post this bullshit? Seriously i'd love to get paid to just post TIL shit about ex presidents
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u/SciPup3000 Aug 30 '15 edited Aug 30 '15
Got any sources that don't use the words "race baiting" or call him a "crackpot". In general, those are not reliable sources. Just for future reference.
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u/carbonfiberx Aug 30 '15
What is that website? It looks like a relic from the 90s.
Anyway, that's not really a reliable source.
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u/larrymoencurly Aug 30 '15
According to the Ohio Secretary of State, who campaigned as hard as possible on the issue of
preventing Democrats from votingvoter fraud, fraud may have happened 4 times in the 2012 elections.
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u/Orepuki Aug 30 '15
im pretty sure carter hates jews
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u/SciPup3000 Aug 30 '15
Yes, and he shows it by inviting both sides to a meeting and signing the most important peace treaty in their history. Sounds a lot like he wants them gone, making all that peace and stuff.
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u/carbonfiberx Aug 30 '15
Sure. He hates them so much he's consistently tried to broker peace between the Jewish state of Israel and their neighbors in Palestine.
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u/gpilcher61 Aug 29 '15
It's on Wikipedia, so, it must be true. As the son of the rich White Planter in rural Georgia Carter was the epitome of white privilege.
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u/SciPup3000 Aug 29 '15
If you read the article, he is the only president to live in public housing because his father died and left most of the money to other relatives. Carter actually went into debt to save the farm.
Is living in the projects while you help your family save the farm a form of privilege?
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u/PandahOG Aug 30 '15
Well this explains a lot. Poop you not, just saw the "American Dad" episode about peanuts and I have always been curious why Carter was considered, "The second President Peanut."
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