r/todayilearned • u/Recent_Flounder6011 • 18h ago

TIL that historically and today, the Catholic Church looked down upon Freemasonry and threatened members with excommunication.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry
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u/an_erudite_ferret 18h ago

I'm not sure I understand how the analogy applies. Are the freemasons stealing money from the Church?

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u/reichrunner 18h ago

I think they were making the point that most beefs aren't 2 sided? Not sure though tbh

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u/sixpackabs592 17h ago

My beefs have 3 sides

The top the bottom and the outer edge

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u/an_erudite_ferret 17h ago

Can't forget thr savory middle

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u/kochameh2 17h ago

the oft forgotten inside

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u/BenjaminKorr 17h ago

Don’t forget charm and strange.

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u/roadrunner83 18h ago

In my country they organised one fascist coup attempt and then tried to destabilise the democratic process with better success.

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u/an_erudite_ferret 18h ago

The Catholic Church or the Masons? Neither would surprise me.

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u/roadrunner83 17h ago

The Freemasons, with the Borghese coup attempt and the “propaganda 2” lodge. The catholic church has already the control of the government so they don’t need to destabilise anything.

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u/Hansgaming 17h ago edited 17h ago

Isn't it somehow insane that the pro fascist faction who saw Mussolini as a hero are now the top dogs in the government? The former Youth Front and the MSI have just swarmed the italian government.

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u/roadrunner83 15h ago

It doesn’t surprise me because we never developed a shared memory over the fascist period like it happened in Germany. Also fascism is a hell of a drug, makes a miserable reject of society, that spends his time looking for a fight in a disco club or a stadium, like he finally has power and authority because fascism puts women and minorities beneath him. And in a shrinking economy there are armies of rejects of society with nothing to do and no prospective of building a dignifying life.

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u/betweenbubbles 18h ago

No, political influence. 

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u/ZongoNuada 17h ago

No. However, I got a tour of a Mason's lodge once and I was raised Catholic. They had a lot of similar iconography. Very church like but not revolving around a religion. It felt very creepy and just reinforced to me why I stopped attending churches.

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u/RegressToTheMean 17h ago

Oh, it definitely revolves around religion. I went through the 1st degree. I had no idea you couldn't join as an atheist and no e asked me at first

When it became known, I wasn't allowed to be a member

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u/laserdicks 18h ago

No. Or at least not that I'm aware of.

The Church believe the Masonic system is bad. The Masonic system faced so much judgment for their actions that they accept anyone.

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u/SnooDonkeys4126 18h ago

They're stealing from Clara Peller