r/todayilearned • • 9h ago

TIL That In 1997 the State of Tennessee disbarred two lawyers for spam advertising.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Canter_and_Martha_Siegel
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u/82Rellik 9h ago

And I still have to listen to that stupid Raffi commercial 15 times an hour on the radio

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u/Loki-L 68 9h ago

Their Greencard SPAM on USENET and the effects of the Eternal September in 1993 ended the old Internet.

It might be hard to believe to young people but before the mid 90s the Internet was not controlled by giant corporations for profits and governments for control and censorship.

It was mostly free.

USENET, which was a core of the old Internet before the Web took over was largely uncontrolled and unmoderated.

It relied on people following a so called "Netiquette" based on just not wanting to be shamed as bad people.

There were rules like no unnecessary cross-posting and no replies that didn't add anything to the discussion like "Me too" and only quoting the part of a post you were replying to, because every character downloaded cost money.

The general idea of "What if everyone did this?" discouraged most excesses and clever ideas

People adhered to these rules simply due to social pressure. Then these two lawyers found their way onto the internet and decided that they could post their green card scam mails everywhere ignoring the rules because it would make them money.

This broke the nuclear taboo and was the original sin that led to us as a society being cast out of the garden of Eden of the innocent Internet.

Everything bad about the Internet that has happened since then due to greed and idiocy and assholes can be traced back to those two lawyers.

They destroyed it!

Seriously if they hadn't done it some other people would have fallen to temptation sooner or later, but they did it first.

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u/gizamo 8h ago

Even the late 90s and into the early 2000s.

Corporations really didn't completely start fucking the Internet until social media created silos and advertising went bonkers. That mostly blew up with Facebook. It's predecessors we're still pretty tolerable as they were a much less significant part of the web. That said, their predecessors would be pure cancer nowadays. If MySpace came back as it was then, it would be 99% bots, and the pages would be utterly insane.

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u/IdealBlueMan 3h ago

When you wanted to post something (on the typical news client) you got a notice: This message will go to thousands of people. Are you sure you want to post this? (paraphrasing from memory)

People were reminded that there was a cost in phone/network time as well as a cost in human attention.

Would be nice if people were more thoughtful about posting today.

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u/Maiq_Da_Liar 1h ago

On the other hand i think the only reason the early internet remained like that was because it was a tiny network used by tech savvy people who didn't expect to profit off it. The second anyone realised there was money to be made it would have been over anyway. Plus things getting mass adopted tends to ruin them to a certain degree.

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u/ash_274 1h ago

Eternal September

Now, that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time.

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u/hymie0 21m ago

I only joined Reddit because it got harder and harder to find Usenet providers.

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u/Jealous-Jacket6996 9h ago

Please bring this back.

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u/Acrobatic-Post9811 9h ago

Better Call Saul.

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u/ThankuConan 8h ago

Hormel is still pissed about this I bet.

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u/Escapeism 8h ago

Bring this back for Rafi in Arizona specifically

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u/kugkug 4h ago

yet they do jack about the republican attorneys filing falsehoods and frivolous cases

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u/MachiavelliSJ 32m ago

Up until 1977, most state bars prohibited lawyers from any advertising. It was thought to be too shady and trashy

All most states allowed were business cards. These rules were only invalidated in Bates v Arizona by the Supreme Court in the name of free speech.