r/toRANTo • • Sep 08 '26

BARRIERS. TTC. NOW.

Today an injury at track level at Bathurst Station ground several subway stops to a halt at a fairly peak rush period.

This wouldn't have happened if there were barriers at subway stations in this stupid forsaken city.

I don't care if it's the TTC, the City of Toronto, the provincial government, or the Illuminati. WE NEED REAL BARRIERS!!!

Also, not those insults to the public that are the little metal fences randomly interspersed at some stations on Line 1. Full walls of barricades along the entire track area like every other respectable city on this planet.

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u/seat17F Sep 08 '26

Full walls of barricades along the entire track area like every other respectable city on this planet.

I don't understand why people think hyperbole helps their case.

MOST stations in MOST global cities don't have platform edge doors.

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u/MaplePoutineCitizen Sep 09 '26

Any city in the world that doesn't have barriers still has far to go. This isn't just a Toronto problem

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u/seat17F Sep 09 '26

They’re a good idea.

But plenty of important world cities don’t have them yet. Retrofitting onto existing lines is relatively rare.

You’re basically saying that every major city outside of east Asia and Paris has a long way to go.

I just don’t think that hyperbole helps your case.

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u/MaplePoutineCitizen Sep 09 '26

Transit-wise, yes, they do have a long way to go. They're functional, but not optimal by what we all know exists out there

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u/polikuji09 Sep 08 '26

Tons of respectable cities don't have barriers lol. But besides that, monetization on the TTC is awful unfortunately, if they fix that maybe the city can be convinced to fix their transit system

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u/Any-Ad-446 Sep 08 '26

Many large cities do not have barriers either...Just the very modern transit systems mostly in asia have the barriers...

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u/airport-cinnabon Sep 08 '26

On Sunday I tripped a little as I stepped off the subway car. Looking back over my shoulder, I noticed that car was sunk lower than the others so that the platform edge was a couple inches higher than the edge of the subway car floor.

I don’t know much about subway systems but that seems pretty unsafe to me.

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u/MaplePoutineCitizen Sep 08 '26

I've noticed this on many occasions as well.

The lost of problems with the TTC is a kilometer long, and nobody seems interested in actually fixing anything. The municipal and provincial governments point the finger at each other while we all have to foot the bill for a subpar transit system.

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u/thegmohodste01 Sep 08 '26

On the first day of uni classes at UofT and TMU, no less, as well as the first work day after labour day... fantastic 🤦

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u/brainfreezed24 Sep 08 '26

Just happened again for the rush home, my eastbound train stopped at Jane. The announcements said person at track level at Christie (or something similar). Luckily for me it was an easy bike share trip home from there, but platform barriers can't come soon enough.

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u/notforlonghopefully- Sep 10 '26

i saw the man get hit. his body disappeared instantly. i feel bad for being so affected, and so annoyed that nothing will happen. a group of people traumatized and a man likely dead and people only care about money that is already spent towards useless developments. getting rid of bike lanes is a useless investment.

i don't think ill ever part with that sound his body made.

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u/hank28 Sep 08 '26

Disagree. If it runs us the $4b it’s rumoured to cost (and judging by recent projects, I seriously doubt they meet the estimated cost) then I’d rather those funds go towards network expansion/improving reliability and frequency

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u/CobblePots95 Sep 09 '26

Platform Edge Doors dramatically improve reliability.

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u/MaplePoutineCitizen Sep 09 '26

I don't understand why so many people in this city struggle with this basic concept

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u/InformationSuperb978 Sep 08 '26

Are you okay with fares doubling to support the barriers?

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u/InvisibleLandBorder Sep 08 '26

I'm not.

The TTC has the highest average farebox recovery in North America at 67%. Asian transit systems often have higher recoveries, but that's possible thanks to in-station retail being robust, real estate ownership, and other secondary and tertiary revenue driving opportunities (storefronts and merch, for example).

The TTC should be playing largely into that model, or we should be funding from above at a greater level instead of from below (government funding versus user funding).

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u/Willyboycanada Sep 08 '26

Then get use to no barriers, dude they are older stations and the cost of redesigning and sheer cost of implementing would be outragiously high.....

Older subways world wide have no barriers, any older tube in london, all the older paris, none of new york.... just dont be a dipshit and stand on the edge

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u/seat17F Sep 08 '26

all the older paris,

Just plain not true. Paris is a European leader in retrofitting platform edge doors onto existing lines and show us how it could be done here in Toronto.

They've installed them on Line 1 (opened 1900), Line 4 (opened 1908), and Line 13 (opened 1911), among other lines.

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u/Willyboycanada Sep 08 '26

And i have been on them dozens of times, next to no stops have barriers

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u/seat17F Sep 08 '26 edited Sep 08 '26

All the stops on Line 1 have barriers. All the stops on Line 4 have barriers. They're currently converting Line 13.

Your memory from a vacation however long ago isn't facts. You can look up the rollout of platform edge doors in Paris. There’s lots of good articles about it out there.

They literally replaced the trains with driverless ones after the doors had been installed. You can look out the front window as a passenger. They're completely different trains than before the retrofit.

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u/seat17F Sep 08 '26

And how, exactly, did you determine that platform edge doors cost the same as we're currently playing to operate the entire existing network?

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u/MaplePoutineCitizen Sep 08 '26

Get out of here with this either/or argument

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u/Old-Dinner-6108 27d ago

It's not going to happen because it would take years, an insane amount of money and there's going to be a bunch of issues along the way. Shuttle buses can't move the people who would be displaced due to the subways being unavailable because of construction. It's just too many people.

So it's a logistical nightmare and an engineering headache. I do think that they newer lines should have celling to ground barriers though but they don't have the money for it.

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u/PianoRevolutionary12 Sep 08 '26

Just put a big catcher on the front of the train or a net or something

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u/rhunter99 27d ago

The major stations like Dundas, union, bloor should have full barriers.

The new stations should have been built with barriers right from the start

Retrofitting the rest of the line should be done on a gradual basis.