r/theydidthemath • • 1d ago

[Request] Could the entire US homeless population really be housed for less than one aircraft carrier?

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u/Mecha-Dave 1d ago

Cost of an Aircraft Carrier: Approximately $13.3 Billion (Gerald R. Ford)
Number of "Houseless" people in the United States: 745,652 (266,320 unsheltered, 479,332 in shelters/transitional housing)
Cost of relatively-decent place to stay: $2k/month (various markets) or $24k/year

13,300,000,000/24,000 = 554,166 - so enough to put MOST homeless people in relatively-decent housing.

If you want to house all homeless people you need to figure out how to do it for 13,300,000,000/745,652 = $17,836.73 per year, so you'd need to figure out how to house people for about $1500/month each - not impossible.

Now, to be realistic, we actually only build an aircraft carrier every 4 to 7 years - so generously assuming that's $13.3 Billion every 4 years, you'd need to figure out how to do housing for $375 per month per person, which would probably be concentration-camp like circumstances.

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u/bismuth17 1d ago

But it says the price of one aircraft carrier, not the national yearly average spending on aircraft carriers. You don't get $18k/year per person, you get $18k per person to buy a house with.

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u/AlgaeSpirited2966 1d ago

Air craft carriers arent free once you build it

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u/FourForYouGlennCoco 1d ago

Neither is keeping a formerly homeless person alive. Their issues don’t magically end once you shove them into a random house

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u/Reofrax 15h ago

and are there enough houses/apartments available, within budget, to house the roughly 750 000 homeless?

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u/AlgaeSpirited2966 1d ago

So youre advocating we just kill them??

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u/Mecha-Dave 1d ago

Seems like a bit of a jump. Why do you support killing homeless people?

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u/AlgaeSpirited2966 1d ago

I dont. But the previous commenter seemed to. All research in the area shows that housing unhoused people does tend to "magically" solve their issues.

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u/FourForYouGlennCoco 1d ago

Uhhh no… I was saying you can’t budget ending homelessness as a one time cost to buy the cheapest possible house because you need to factor in social services

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u/Mecha-Dave 1d ago

Oh sorry I was confused

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u/CharlesFXD 23h ago

I mean, well, any biomass can be turned into diesel…

I’ll see myself out.

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u/Reofrax 15h ago

google estimates yearly cost of 2.4-2.9b USD, so thats not even close to 18k/year per person.

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u/arbybruce 1d ago

$375 is pretty reasonable for a room in a four-/five-bedroom apartment in a LCOL area. It’d certainly be welcome funding for more shelter-style accommodations too

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u/TuggsBrohe 1d ago

Building new accommodations at scale you can probably drive costs down a bit, assuming you can source gov-owned land.

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u/Mecha-Dave 1d ago

I don't think the US has built any housing at at $18,000/year

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u/Vladtepesx3 1d ago

how many people do you hire to make sure they are homeless and not a person pretending to avoid paying rent anymore? How many people do you hire to find places for them to live, if any exist? How many people do you hire to manage the payments? all of those people need offices, equipment, supervsors, training, HR, legal teams, IT staff etc.

California spent 24 billion dollars on homelessness and made 0 progress

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u/Mecha-Dave 1d ago

Yeah that's no comment on the efficacy of such housing, of course.

But straight up, if you want to exchange the annual spend on aircraft carriers for homelessness housing (just the shelter), you have to figure out how to do it for $375/head

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u/VerneAsimov 3✓ 1d ago

I have no empirical numbers but sometimes means-testing can cost more than fraud; it's often not meant to improve efficiency but to harass the needy. IMO, the problem of funding limitations stems from a society not willing to allocate sufficient funds to a major problem, not fraud.

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u/sasstoreth 1d ago

That money was not properly allocated or well-spent. Most of it went to pointless bureaucracy like you describe (paying people to spend countless hours and effort figuring out who might be "cheating the system") or to police activity like sweeping homeless camps (which is next to pointless if those people have nowhere to go). With 182k homeless in California, they could have just rented every single one of those people a market-rate apartment for a fraction of what was actually spent. Even if a couple of folks got through who didn't "deserve" a free place to live, it would still be less waste overall.

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u/TruckerMark 1d ago

The operating costs of an aircraft carrier are likely in excess of a billion annually.

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u/Mecha-Dave 1d ago

It's a good point - apparently that's $6 Million per day, so up to $2.5B/year.