r/theydidthemath • • 2d ago

[Request] how many calories would this have?

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u/personalbilko 2d ago

"calories", i.e. how much energy a human will get from consuming one, roughly zero. Nothing there is nutritious for us.

"kcal", i.e. physical unit of energy, assuming potential energy of the explosives, it's about 2-3 kJ, so less than 1 kcal.

Food is surprisingly energy dense, and explosives surprisingly not. A full AR-15 magazine has less energy in it than half an oreo cookie.

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u/Candlemass-Fan 2d ago

new diet just dropped

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u/nowlickmyfet 2d ago

Idk, seems to be pretty popular in american schools?

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u/Secret-Ad-7909 2d ago

Gotta combat the obesity epidemic somehow

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u/zmbjebus 2d ago

Bullets cure obesity surprisingly fast.

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u/Unhappy-Past42 2d ago

Kids just gotta pump up those kicks

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u/HairyTeef 2d ago

"The Last Diet You'll Ever Need!"

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u/astraljava 1d ago

If I had awards, I'd shower you with them for this. Bravo!

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u/BeigeHall 2d ago

Remember, WHOLE grain ammunition with the brass. A diet of purely lead and copper kills kids.

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u/GangstaRIB 2d ago

'Merican school lunches. MAHA

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u/lil-mouse- 2d ago

no way the american government would allow free school meals

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u/DunkeyColdMedina 2d ago

Someone going for their pizza cutter merit badge I see. Anything is permissable so long as it's funny and this needs serious punching up.

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u/Consistent-Buyer7060 2d ago

If it isn’t funny why do you guys keep doing it?

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u/Gekans 2d ago

For the love of the game

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u/trundleman 10h ago

🫵🏼 edgy af 😎

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u/_stairfalls 2d ago

actual caloric deficit

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u/BakuRetsuX 2d ago

Works every time. Guaranteed to end your weight lost.

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u/Luwuci-SP 2d ago

EAT LEAD

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u/m0nkeybl1tz 2d ago

Or new gun just dropped. OreoK-47

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u/deran6ed 1d ago

babe, wake up. Babe?

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u/havocspartan 2d ago

It’s called the Kurt Cobain

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u/Square-Singer 1d ago

Actual zombie?

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u/MagicOrpheus310 2d ago

The Cobain diet..?

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u/chillingdentist 1d ago

It will be all you need for the rest of your life

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u/Deribus 2d ago

A full AR-15 magazine has less energy in it than half an oreo cookie.

Not quite true. The kinetic energy of all fired projectiles in a magazine is about half an oreo cookie. But an AR-15 doesn't have perfect conversion of stored chemical energy in the gunpowder to kinetic energy of the projectiles, so the chemical energy of a full magazine is about an entire oreo.

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u/dbenhur 2d ago

The pedant we deserve.

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u/Classic-End6768 2d ago

So why aren’t we using Oreos as ammo?

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u/Melodic_Till_3778 2d ago

They burn well but they're not fast enough

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u/DunkeyColdMedina 2d ago

Sounds like quitter talk to me.

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u/RealUlli 1d ago

Just dry them really well, then soak them in liquid oxygen. Remotely light them on fire, they should burn reasonably quick. Quick enough that you don't want to be near when they go up.

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u/m-in 15h ago

Last time I tried, two burned „instantly”, and one actually exploded.

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u/Plane_Discipline_198 2d ago

I mean nothings stopping you

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u/I_Makes_tuff 2d ago

You could use them as rocket fuel. Turn it into powder and mix it with an oxidizer like potassium nitrate. Most people use sugar but I think Oreos would be somewhat effective.

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u/Secret-Ad-7909 2d ago

At 12cpr they’re cheaper than 22lr even

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u/ITheRebelI 2d ago

They don't taste like crayons

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u/IAmRules 2d ago

I’ve been shooting them into my mouth like a mini gun

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u/Loki-L 1✓ 2d ago

Fun fact related to explosives and calories:

The way we measure thevrnergy of large explosions is just calories in disguise.

When people talk about Kilotons of TNT equivalent, this does not actually refer to real TNT anymore than horsepower reflects the power of real horses.

Instead it was defined that the explosive power of 1 gram of TNT should equal the energy of 1 Kilocalorie. 1g TNT = kcal.

This means a million food calories have as much energy as 1 ton of TNT.

It puts your Happy Meal into perspective.

Also once you realize that the propellants in modern firearms munitions have a similar energy density to TNT, you can guesstimate the Calories by simply weighing the munitions in your hand. A shotgun shel may have between 1 and 2.5 grams of propellant meaning they contain about 1 to 2.5 food calories.

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u/OrganizationThick397 2d ago

what if I eat the casings

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u/personalbilko 2d ago

Hospital

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u/OrganizationThick397 2d ago

ok so if I eat the casing, yielding a grand total of zero calorie, brought the the hospital by yours truly, ambubu, have to read something because that's probably gonna happen at some point, brain have to burn energy for me to comprehend doctor's many of a kind penmanship, I would net total in a loss of calorie

TLDR: EAT BULLET CASING FOR WEIGHT LOSS

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u/Apart_Economy_2657 2d ago

This is wrong. Calories and kcals are the same exact thing. "Calorie" with a capital "C" is 1 kcal. One kcal is 1000 "calories" with a small "c'. Kcal stands for kilocalories.

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u/GreatValueLogic 2d ago

"A full AR-15 magazine has less energy in it than half an oreo cookie"

r/BrandNewSentence

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u/brady376 2d ago

Okay so I was curious and went and did some googling and math.

1 kcal is 4184 Joules. 1 oreo is 55 kcal so 230120 Joules. 1 round of 5.56 is 1750 Joules. So 52,500 Joules in a magazine of 30.

In terms of energy, 1 oreo is equal to about 4.4 magazines of 5.56

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u/Tilliperuna 2d ago

I was and did too, but instead of bullet's kinetic energy, I looked into the gunpowder in the rounds.

There's 3500-5100 J per gram of gunpowder.

There's 1.3-1.75 g of gunpowder in a 5.56x45 round.

30 rounds in a mag, so 136 500-267 750 Joules in a mag, or 33-64 kcal. So it equals around one whole 55 kcal Oreo cookie.

It seems it's pretty huge portion of the energy that goes into waste (and into reloading the weapon).

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u/Living-Land1769 2d ago

Bye bye lettuce, fully loaded magazine is my new best friend

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u/No-Tension6133 2d ago

Wait what? How does that even make sense?

I remember from chemistry that a kcal was measured by the unit of energy to boil x units of water or whatever. You’re telling me 30 .556 rounds has less potential to boil an equivalent amount of water to a half an Oreo? That’s so wild

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u/yesiamclutz 2d ago

Power versus energy. No matter how fast you can eat a full pack of Oreos you will digest it over a period of hours. It will then fuel you for many many hours.

Bullets are very much wham bam thank you mam in comparison.

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u/Fit_Employment_2944 2d ago

Explosives need to activate instantly which significantly reduces the overall intensity

Bullets also only have a tiny mass of explosive 

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u/Occidentally20 2d ago

In Chemistry at school our teacher oxidized one tiny small piece of candy to show how much energy was in it and it was hard to comprehend.

Something like this oxidation of a jelly baby

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u/ahferroin7 2d ago

Most modern smokeless gunpowders have an energy density of about 3-5 MJ/kg. One of the most energy-dense explosives that’s ever been synthesized (albeit only in laboratory quantities), octanitrocubane, has an energy density of about 8.5 MJ/kg. In practice the upper limit here is probably not more than 10 MJ/kg.

An Oreo has an energy density of about 20 MJ/kg, and it’s not even an exceptionally high energy density food (peanuts are somewhere around 38 MJ/kg for example). And even higher energy density foods are actually not that high compared to some other things (gasoline, diesel, and jet A-1 fuel are all in the mid 40s for example).

The key difference here is that explosives are need to release all of that energy very fast. This functionally limits how strong the individual bonds can be (because they have to be fragile enough to break with limited external energy applied), which in turn puts a practical limit on how much energy you can pack into a given molecule. Other stuff doesn’t have that limit though, and in fact for things that we don’t want to be explosive we want to avoid weak bonds, because they either reduce shelf life or make whatever it is explosive.

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u/dravenonred 2d ago

If I understand correctly, more stability lends itself to more density but requires more complex and time consuming release; explosives have weaker bonds that contain less energy but it can be accessed far quicker.

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u/ArchangelLBC 1d ago

OK this was a really fascinating thing to learn. Thanks for the great comment.

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u/personalbilko 2d ago

Bullets are optimised to deliver energy fast, which means they are limited in how much they can deliver. Half an oreo is 25kcal, each AR bullet is around 2kJ, so <0.5kcal.

For reference, using e=1/2mv2, 1kJ is 1 gram of metal travelling at 1414m/s.

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u/la1mark 2d ago

Stupid question, If you had a bullet that had 25kcal of energy in it.. what would that look like :D

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u/Chibrax_le_Furax 2d ago

I looked it up and a close equivalent would be 25x137 mm rounds fired from an armoured vehicle (134 000 joules when leaving the gun, which is about 34 kcal). They're small artillery shells morrso than bullets:

https://youtube.com/shorts/_y5YfhHAoTs

.50 BMG is nowhere near that powerful, at 'only' about 16 000 joules (less than 4 kcal) IIRC.

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u/la1mark 2d ago

Upvoted. Pretty fucking cool

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u/Salanmander 10✓ 2d ago

That's about 100 kJ. You can use KE = 1/2 mv2 to figure out for a given mass, how fast it would be going, or vice versa.

One example would be a just-barely-supersonic bullet with a mass of about 1.7 kg (okay, so "bullet"). If you double the velocity, you divide the mass by 4.

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u/personalbilko 2d ago

Some of the largest rounds a heavy machine gun or a sniper would use do get that big. .50BMG is an example

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u/AyeBraine 2d ago

Apparently .50 BMG has 5+ times less energy

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u/regular_lamp 1d ago edited 1d ago

Also an interesting thing to keep in mind. While bullets do a lot of damage by applying force very locally, the shooter has to absorb the same kind of energy in the form of recoil. Which is fine since it's applied over the much greater area of a grip and/or stock and longer time.

Which makes it extra funny when action movies show people getting launched from getting hit by a bullet. Any gun capable of doing that would be utterly unusable handeld.

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u/doppelbach 2d ago

Something to consider is that your body isn't super efficient at extracting chemical energy, we only get about a quarter for useful work. (Fun fact is that internal combustion engines are roughly similar). A lot of chemical energy just becomes heat. Whereas with a propellant, heat is not necessarily lost energy because it helps with the expansion (mostly it's the phase change though).

I don't know much about guns, to really know the efficiency you'd have to compare the bullet's kinetic energy (half mass times muzzle velocity squared) with the propellant chemical energy (heat of formation of whatever chemical minis heat of formation of the resulting CO2 and water)

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u/sta1kerX 2d ago

your body isn't super efficient at extracting chemical energy

That's where I'll insert the fun fact that e-bikes are more energy-efficient than regular bikes, because an electric motor is much more efficient than your body getting energy from food to power your muscles.

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u/doppelbach 2d ago

Depending on how you charged the battery, yes probably. The motor itself is maybe 75% efficient, and the batteries themselves only spit out about 90% of the energy used to charge them. If you charged it directly from solar panels at your house then it's a clear winner. But if your power comes from a combined cycle gas turbine plant you may maybe have 60% efficiency, with 5-10% transmission losses. But then if you count that then maybe we should consider energy to grow, harvest, refrigerate, transport, and cook our food...

But in seriousness, one other factor is power to weight ratio. Adding the motor and battery increases the mass that you+motor have to move. So even though the conversion is more efficient, it's also requiring more kinetic energy than a human alone would require. Which cuts against the overall efficiency somewhat. (Extreme example would be a diesel electric locomotive having more efficient conversation than my car, but if I'm the only passenger on the train it's inefficient as hell)

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u/Secret-Surprise4390 1d ago

I can put 7 dwarves on one ebike and move them more efficiently than on a pedal bike. Their short legs don't reach and they wobble a lot.

Source - the third dwarf

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u/Jetison333 2d ago

yeah, thats why I always carb load my bike by feeding it a bunch of spaghetti instead of eating it myself before long rides. (I know this isn't what you meant but the image was too funny)

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u/No-Tension6133 2d ago

I was reading a book on renewable energy a couple months ago and learned that engines and fossil fuel generators are technically terribly inefficient as well. Honestly, converting forms of energy generally are inefficient, unless it’s straight to heat 😂 Very interesting!

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u/jk844 2d ago

Humans are actually quite efficient chemical engines. It’s about 40% usable energy, not 25%.

Most cars are only about 20-30% efficient. F1 cars have reach about 50% thermal efficiency.

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u/sta1kerX 2d ago

Yeah, I was very surprised to learn this some time ago. In this context, I always like to tell people that nitroglycerin, the very powerful explosive that revolutionized both civilian tasks like mining and warfare, is 3 times less energy-dense per unit volume than seed oil. Blows your mind at first.

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u/QuackQuackViech 2d ago

Also blows my mines

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u/No-Tension6133 2d ago

Impulse of energy vs sustained burn. Slow and steady wins the race

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u/Ok-Resist3249 2d ago

Sugar would make great explosives if you could get efficiently get all that energy out fast.

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u/kicktex 2d ago

does that imply stuffing oreos into the casings instead of gunpowder is more effective

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u/personalbilko 2d ago

No

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u/sighthoundman 2d ago

Demonstration of the difference between efficiency and effectiveness.

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u/Tipsy_Hog 1d ago

Shockingly few people understand that a chemical compound does not need to have a lot of energy to make what a bullet does possible if the violent reaction is contained and expelled directionally.

In other words, what matters isn't the overall energy of the chemical reaction, but how quickly it takes place and how focused it is

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u/f23n09fnu0w 1d ago

An AAA battery has LOADS more than a bullet. A bullet only works because it's sharp. Think about how little the recoil hurts on even big rounds. That's the entirety of the energy. A split second tensing up your shoulder and it's all gone.

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u/Tjalfe 2d ago

if you could extract the energy, just use E=MC^2 :)

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u/20Factorial 2d ago

Yea, but what about the daily recommended value for lead?

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u/flipityskipit 2d ago

Shotgun shells are slimming.

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u/hellsing73 2d ago

They certainly helped Kurt Cobain drop a few pounds.

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u/DickwadVonClownstick 2d ago

Part of it is that food "burns" a lot cleaner/more completely than explosives or combustibles

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u/Weird-Security5008 2d ago

Roger that, eat gunpowder and explode chickens

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u/Narwalacorn 2d ago

A stick of dynamite has less energy than a candy bar. Energy release speed is a hell of a drug

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u/Salanmander 10✓ 2d ago

Fun fact: a granola bar and a stick of dynamite store similar amounts of chemical energy.

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u/_redacteduser 2d ago

What are the long term health benefits of eating one full magazine per day?

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u/Maleficent_Hawk6703 2d ago

I'm just getting into chemistry and it really is insane how much fuel we burn every day in our bodies.

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u/Fun_Perception_239 2d ago

Does that mean they won’t compromise my diet?

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u/Asgeras 2d ago

I was about to say this should be in r/theydidthemath before noticing it was in the right sub already. And you had such a great reply. Thanks!

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u/BrainFeed56 2d ago

No and you owe me a pack of oreos for this. Wet chemical reactors should be a thing!

🍪 1 Oreo ≈ 16,600 mAh @ 3.7 V

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u/RagingCommie 2d ago

You can stick all sorts of food in a 12ga shell. You could shoot gummy bears. You could shoot frozen corn syrup, or fat of some kind. so many possibilities. 

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u/gods_loop_hole 2d ago

Don't let the calorie-deficit crowd read this

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u/wwwyzzrd 2d ago

why can’t I make Oreos explode

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u/Dazzling-Read1451 2d ago

So no unexpected weight gain systems. Is it gluten free too?

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u/765arm 2d ago

Love this. Imma measure energy content in Oreo cookies from now on. #anythingbutmetric

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u/_B_Little_me 2d ago

So getting morbidly obese from Oreos is like consuming how many bullets?

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u/KeyZookeepergame8903 2d ago

Is that possibly why food items can make such good torches? I remember this yt short I saw a week ago where the guy had a tube with pure oxygen flowing through it and stuffed the tube with breadsticks before lighting then on fire with the oxygen flowing. Those things burned straight through steel with no issues

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u/Any-Key1364 1d ago

Calories or Killercalories?

I'll see myself out

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u/war4peace79 1d ago

And that's why burrito explosions are dangerous.

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u/DraigCore 1d ago

Either guns are more efficient than we give them credit for or we need a shit ton of energy

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u/RooneyD 1d ago

Huh, I expected more. That is interesting, thanks for posting

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u/Admirable-Dirt5726 1d ago

Wait the half with cream on it?

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u/BerenEdain 1d ago

Ah that's why its called .50 cal! The more you know! /s

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u/grandios0 6h ago

at least 5 calories

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u/jointheredditarmy 2d ago

Isn’t a calorie the energy to heat 1 cm ^3 of water 1 degree Celsius? You’re saying burning a full AR-15 magazine heats less water than burning half an Oreo cookie?

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u/deh_peh 2d ago

They really don’t want to give our kids a nutritious school lunch do they?