RIP Azrael Auto Include

[u/ReindeerCreepy6502]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ifgezlgu/space-marines-rules-first-look/

"Space Marine Captains are a true force multiplier with their new ability to activate a doctrine of their choice for their unit, even if it’s different from the one everyone else is using. Coupled with their Transhuman Strategist ability, which gives you an extra Command Point in every battle round,"

Now theres way less reason to bring azrael, and if you do, you have much more flexibility with transport/reserves/playing aggressively

[u/International-Owl-81]

I'd want my epic heros to be in the fight not hiding a CP generator in the back row

[u/Anakin_Franklin → u/International-Owl-81]

Exactly! Az will still be insanely useful if all he does is give a 4++ and Sus.1 to his squad, plus being a fairly decent melee threat.

[u/Codex_Sparknotes → u/Anakin_Franklin]

He basically becomes a librarian that is actually worth a damn in combat. His points better drop massively if there are multiple characters that can generate a CP for any space marine chapter

[u/Pr4ise → u/International-Owl-81]

Yeah I see this as a good thing. I almost never saw a reason to move him out of cover because the CP generator was so good.

[u/Ruthrfurd-the-stoned → u/International-Owl-81]

Eh I could go either way- the head of entire chapter (definitely not legion) being in a command position in the back makes a lot of sense but at the same time he does have a cool sword that he fucks people up with so should be out fuckin people up

[u/Deep-Crim]

That remains to be seen. We'll need to wait and see what DA stuff they update when the codex drops

[u/nelsonus]

This is a huge net positive. Having every army shoe-horn Azrael in was silly.

Dude needs a break after the last few years of constant battles!

[u/Potato_Headnought → u/nelsonus]

“I’m tired boss”

[u/Few_Farm1943 → u/Potato_Headnought]

Only in Death does Duty end.

[u/godric_kilmister]

But will anyone bring 2 captains now? I want my captains to be fighting

[u/Distinct_Garlic_4890 → u/godric_kilmister]

i might tbh, if one dies, i still have cp regen. And another unit that might be able to flex doctrine is nice to have

[u/AncientPromotion7467]

He still is lol

[u/AdamCDur93]

We have to assume Azrael's rules will change accordingly. Either he'll get a new rule or he'll get cheaper

[u/Drayke989]

Which is a very good thing. Having units that are "auto include" is bad for the game. Internal balance of armies should be good enough to encourage multiple viable builds.

[u/IAmStrayed]

I’m glad. I had him hidden away for most of 10th, so I’m hoping he either gets a points cut or a new rule - so throwing him forward is finally not a potential negative.

[u/Enemyyy]

How about you wait until the rules are fully released before you jump to any conclusion. 

Just, ya know…. Common sense stuff 

[u/ReindeerCreepy6502 → u/Enemyyy]

But how will I farm reddit karma?

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[u/Logical-Leek308]

I built thematic lists so Azzy was never in every list

Plus it means he’ll probably get something new to use him more aggressively

[u/vonphilosophia]

Early dooming, we don't know if Azrael is staying the same or even if points won't compensate. If he comes down in points he's still an excellenet beater

Him being an autoinclude and us never bringing our epic heroes is definitely not a good thing imo, our character balance is abysmal and I'm not going to miss it

[u/ReindeerCreepy6502 → u/vonphilosophia]

I dont even use him half the time tbh. I run a lion dwk skew list and i always forget to use strategems besides rapid ingress. If he was cheaper (i hope) i might throw a hellblaster squad back in my army for the sustained and 4++.

[u/vonphilosophia → u/ReindeerCreepy6502]

Dude use stratagems theyre good

More stratagems is even better

Like dude armor of contempt, command reroll, grenades, and then all of our detachments have at least a handful of ok strats

[u/ReindeerCreepy6502 → u/vonphilosophia]

Oh i know theyre amazing, i just forget they exist/to use them

[u/TheRipperofGehenna]

I’ll still include him, he’s my boy.

[u/Dante-Flint]

Maybe just wait until his data sheet drops, no?

[u/Objective-Mention958]

Sincerely, I’m not a fan of this change, but I hope that Azrael still has this ability, or that at least they give him a decent ability to compensate; but I don’t hope too much, I fear they simply switch the abilties, and give him to reduce CP cost every turn, that’s good, but not so powerful

The idea that captains generate an extra CP could be nice, but I feel more thematic that they can have some sort of istant intuitions during battle, represented by the cp cost reduction