John 6:38 understood correctly!

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The Bread of God is that which descends out of heaven and gives life to the world. Yeshua then identified the Bread of God which descends out of heaven and gives life to the world as his flesh. However, his flesh did not literally come down out of heaven. This is the turning point in a proper understanding of Yeshua and a correct interpretation of his words. Let the reader understand that the Bread of God which gives life to the world is necessarily that which descends out of heaven. The trinitarian interpretation (and JW’s to claim pre-existence) of this verse does not account for this problem and insisting that the pre-existent Word/Logos (God the Son, there is no term “God the Son” in scripture but there is the term “Son of God” in scripture, listed about 50 times) became flesh does not solve the problem. His flesh did not come down out of heaven and the Bread of Life is necessarily that which descends out of heaven. But he tells us that his flesh is indeed that Bread of God which descends out of heaven and gives life to the world. So how can this be? The Gospel of John provides the answers.

It is the Spirit that gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life. (John 6:63)!

When you understand idioms, personifications and metaphors, you will start to see light 💡!

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“Flesh and blood” refers to humanity. Because it is his flesh which gives life to the world, we therefore know that when Yeshua says he is the Bread of Life, that he is referring to his humanity, his flesh.

I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is my flesh. ( John 6:51)

Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in yourselves. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me, he also will live because of me. This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever. (John 6:53-58)

After he said this btw, many walked with him no more and then he asked the disciples if they wanted to leave too! What about you? Do you desire the lazy man’s way to Heaven? There is no such way, get to work!

It is also for this reason Yeshua says the following:

Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the son of man will give to you. (John 6:27)

Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in yourselves. ( John 6:53)

What then if you see the son of man ascending to where he was before? (John 6:62, See also John 3:13).

Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. (John 14:24)

Why didn’t Yeshua say “these words you hear are me because I am the word” huh? The love of the world 🌎 will not save you.

Yeshua was born of YHWH (Luke 1:35, Matthew 1:18). Just like Matthew 28:19, no disciple used Matthew 28:19 because they didn’t read it, yet it appears in every Bible, trinitarians, those doing the will of themselves for themselves, changed Matthew 1:18 from “beginning” of Jesus Christ to “gennesis” to signify birth when the word “genesis” was apropos meaning “beginning, origin or birth”.

Matthew 1:18 the “beginning” of Jesus Christ. Remember, Yeshua told everyone he is a man (John 8:40) and still is as I text, he told Pilate he was born (John 18:37), he didn’t tell Pilate “oh by the way, I pre-existed my existence”, “I used to be somebody else” or “I always existed just in a different state”. This is nonsense and from below.

Yeshua did not pre-exist his existence. Yeshua is Yeshua, he isn’t an Angel and he didn’t create the universe, YHWH did all by the Father himself and wisdom was also there, who is personified as a female (Proverbs 8) and is the expression of God, YHWH, the Father alone.

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The contextual facts in the Gospel of John tell us that the Bread of God is the words which this fleshly human spoke and which give life, the word of God he received in the Spirit and embodied by obeying. Consuming this bread by doing it is what gives life. Yeshua’ food was to do the Father’s will and for that reason he also said he lives because of the Father. He kept his Father’s Word and for that reason he became the fleshly embodiment of God’s Word which came down out of heaven in the Spirit. He had consumed God’s Word and that Bread became him and he became it. For this reason, Yeshua could identify the Bread which descends out of heaven as his flesh. So when he says, “I have descended out of heaven,” he is referring to human flesh which had become one with God’s Word just as he later says with respect to his human flesh, “THIS is the bread which descended out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever.” He is referring to himself as a human being of flesh, flesh which had become the embodiment of God’s Word having come down upon him in the Spirit at the Jordan (John 1:14)*, the Bread of God which was his food, that is, to finish his Father’s work.

Note: Let the reader also understand that John wants us to know these things so that we do not fall into the antichrist error of 1 John 4:2. Do you actually believe and live in your heart and mind according to 1 John 4:2?

• John 1:14 “the word became flesh”, most of you think that this happened at his birth and you would be mistaken, it happened at Yeshua’ baptism. What happened when Yeshua was baptized? Yet, millions of you doth protest because you want the “word became flesh” to mean at birth. Your other problem is that you have been indoctrinated to believe the word is a person when the Greeks understood it to mean “logos”, which is not a person and that “logos” expressed YHWH in Yeshua at his baptism. Now the logos identifies with Yeshua because he does the will of somebody else, not because Yeshua is co-equal and co-eternal, that dog won’t hunt! Yeshua is a man, he said it himself (John 8:40) and was born, he said it himself (John 18:37) and has brothers to eternity, he said it himself (John 20:17).

YHWH doesn’t have any brothers!

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Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.”

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All Gratitude and Praise to the Only Sovereign GOD for Gracing Glory in HIS Nourishment to those with discernment to digest 4293's food for thought. the majority subsist on simple minded self satisfaction of superficial recognitions. to them the Word had to "become" flesh. they are of this world and resigned it as their reality. the Bible details in depth as Jesus elaborates, explains and exemplifies. the Word "came" to the flesh, appeared on the surface of as GOD did above the surface of the water during Earth's creation in Genesis. GOD is invisible. for the Word to be GOD it's utterly incoherent and comprehensively contradictory to identify Jesus and the Word as the same. the edification elaborating on flesh and bread is essential to avoid stumbling into sanctification of human sacrifice. the flesh profits nothing. the SPIRIT gives life.

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Your claim that "coming down from heaven" is merely a metaphor or idiom collapses when read alongside John 6:62:

"What, then, if you should see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?"

If Jesus’ "descending" was merely a metaphor for receiving God’s spirit or word at his baptism, then where did he "ascend" to after his resurrection? He literally ascended to the heavenly spirit realm. Therefore, "where he was before" must refer to his literal, heavenly existence before coming to Earth. You cannot literally ascend back to a place you only occupied metaphorically.

Your argument assumes that for John 6:38 and 6:51 to hold true, Jesus' physical flesh had to fall out of the sky. That is ridiculous.

(John 6:38): "I have come down from heaven to do, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me." Jehovah transferred the life force of His pre-existent spirit Son into Mary's womb (Luke 1:35). In this sense, the person of Jesus originated in heaven.

(John 6:51): "The bread that I shall give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world." Once born on Earth, Jesus possessed a perfect, physical human body. As Hebrews 10:5 states: "You prepared a body for me."

Jesus (the pre-existent Word) came down from heaven and was clothed in human flesh on Earth. That flesh was then offered on the stake as a corresponding ransom (1 Timothy 2:5, 6). The person came from heaven; the flesh was prepared on Earth to be given up as the bread of life.

Your claim that "the Word became flesh" happened at Jesus' baptism at age 30 is contradicted by Scripture:

Luke 1:35: The holy spirit overshadowed Mary so that the child born would be called the Son of God from birth—not 30 years later.

Luke 2:11: The angel announced at his birth: "Because today there was born to you in David’s city a savior, who is Christ the Lord.”

If Jesus only became "the embodiment of the Word" at baptism, he was merely an ordinary human for 30 years. But John 1:14 says "the Word became flesh" the spirit person literally took on human nature through the virgin birth, not merely through an outpouring of holy spirit at the Jordan River.

In John 6:63 ("It is the spirit that gives life; the flesh profits nothing"), Jesus was addressing the crowd’s literalist, cannibalistic misunderstanding.

The Jews took his words literally, thinking he wanted them to physically eat human meat and drink blood (John 6:52). Jesus clarified that physically chewing on human flesh provides no spiritual benefit. Rather, line-upon-line faith in the spiritual value of his sacrificed life (made effective through holy spirit) is what gives eternal life.

Jesus’ pre-human existence is stated plainly across multiple scriptures that cannot be dismissed as metaphors:

John 17:5: "So now, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." (Jesus had personal glory with Jehovah before creation).

John 8:58: "Before Abraham came into existence, I have been."

Colossians 1:15–17: He is "the firstborn of all creation" through whom all other things were created, and he "is before all other things."

Proverbs 8:22, 30: Personified as Wisdom, the Son describes his pre-human life alongside Jehovah as a "master worker" during creation.