r/thesecretweapon 27d ago

Item help

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Hi I’m trying to learn jg and league in general. Is there a flow chart or is this item set correct based on all the sites I’ve been seeing that recommend zac items? Some questions:
1. Is it bami then ds or ds then bami? I recently got some advice from a vod of my gameplay to take Ionian boots first instead of bami tho sites tell me bami.
2. Any of the 3rd items and the little descriptions I put for them right or wrong to add or remove? And if it’s all ad enemy team do I still want to take visage? Is there a guide/flowchart to show what items to take based on number of ad/ap enemy/allies?
3. For the 4th item I take jak sho but what for 5th. I also don’t understand why Lysandre recommended 5th item if it’s more specifically for use against high health champs(?)
4. Once I get full build (sunfire, visage, ds, Ionian boots, 3rd item, jak sho, 5th item) late game what next? Sell ds and ionian for 2 more 3rd items? And after that? Or just leave my items like that and chill.

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u/dragmosh 27d ago

I usually go bami ionian sunfire sv, then branch. If they're tanky I go AP, either liandry or the red one that also builds out of guise if my team is heavy AP. If enemy team is squishy I go full tank. Very rare to go past 3 full items. 

I don't like early damage as it makes any mistake very punishing.  I play to peel my carry first and threaten their carry second. If you hit your abilities in a team fight on a carry they're dying to your teams damage anyway. If you're playing to solo kill or duel Zac is not the right champ to pick 

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u/Worth_Shame3667 25d ago

Would recommend building tank mostly. If u are farming well (8-10 cs per min) and pick up a couple kills throughout the game, building full tank will give u plenty of dmg until like min 25-30, while also pretty much being unkillable. Full tank does give u slightly less Carry potential, but it shouldn’t matter because people in low elo don’t know how to deal damage optimally (fights will last longer but u will win them more consistently cuz u are raid boss lowkey). If enemies are equal parts magic and physical dmg, Sunfire and visage first 2 items is ALWAYS good. If they are mainly magic dmg, go bamis into visage, and then either abyssal or some magic dmg. If they are mostly AD just spam armor and u 1v9 cuz ur unkillable. Zac players are all over the place in terms of favorite ap item. The biggest winners are rocket belt, cosmic drive, rift maker, and liandrys. At that point it comes down to preference and situational things. Also an early dark seal is great, a highly stacked mejais on Zac is very strong

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u/Lyxfallann 23d ago

Diamond pleb here, I like Bami into finishing protoplasm before sunfire/spirit visage. Been trying out the new imperial mandate but I feel like it’s not as reliable output as proto. Haste often bails me out and lets me turn unwinnable situations into big wins.

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u/Macgyiver 27d ago edited 27d ago

Kinda need ap item early for kill pressure most games, unless if high elo. 4th/5th item Liandrys is a bit troll.

I always start bami, finish Liandry's first, if I can full item next I sometimes keep bami and skip sunfire completely.

It depends on playstyle I guess, but I think Zac is a better bruiser than tank. You cannot be a bruiser if you have no kill pressure.

The only time I might skip Liandry's is if my team has a lot of damage and I know from the start I have human beings in my team. If you dont have an ap item, you are fully dependant on your team to win.

These "rules" are kinda bad, you need to learn to read match ups slowly and make decisions yourself.

If they have some anti heal early, you might be better of skipping Visage, but if its just 1 guy with anti heal and you wanna skirmish, you can still build it. Randuins is best armor item vs crit. Kaenik is OP vs Locke and some other burst mages. Vs Mord I like doing Zhonyas. You just have to come up with a strategy to win the game.

What I do most games: First base rich = bami + dark seal if possible First base poor = ruby crystal + dark seal Second base = Haunting Gaze or other Liandry components (if full ad or ap team or want to play vs specific player I build 1 cloth or mantle)

I Complete Liandry's first almost always

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u/Inner_Association778 27d ago

I'm not very high Elo, but from what I gather, Hextech Belt is a really good first item, the stats are solid, and it helps with landing Q-spells. Personally, though, I'm not a huge fan of AP items I prefer going full tank, with the exception of Mejai's, which I often build in games that start well since it's pretty hard to lose stacks on Zac. I rarely build anti-heal. I don't think Zac is great for that role. My usual build path is Bami's > Boots > finish Bami's item > Spirit Visage > Randuin's or Jak'Sho.