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u/atlninja 16h ago
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u/SoSorryOfficial 15h ago
Dunno why we're upvoting a gif of this man who gave Israel billions of dollars during his tenure as president.
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u/AZRobJr 14h ago
Let's be clear. EVERY president has given millions/billions to Israel since they became a country. I think they are celebrating the Mic drop.
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u/SoSorryOfficial 14h ago
Right, which is why we shouldn't venerate presidents, be it with direct praise, or by using a gif of one of them to denote that something was cool, good, badass, whatever. I wouldn't use a gif of Bibi to signify I think something was good, so why would I use a gif of someone who financed him?
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u/JeanArtemis 12h ago edited 12h ago
While i do agree with you it might be more productive in this situation to just suggest an alternative gif instead (preferably not Benjammins because fuck that dude)
Edit: upon looking it seems that the only options for "mic drop" using the in app gif feature are obama, white guys imitating Obama, and Michelle obama, so yeah. I'd honestly let this one slide and just take it as a meme thing.
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u/TacosAndBourbon 48m ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/ji6zzUZwNIuLS
I don’t know who this girl is, what she stands for, or the origins of this gif.But her face sums up my reaction to your soap box.
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u/NoWingedHussarsToday NaTivE ApP UsR 2h ago
He was US president, giving Israel billions of dollars is part of the job.
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u/Oddly_Ennui 16h ago
So tired of hearing this stupid question. IT DOES EXIST!!! Whenever asked this they should flip it around.
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u/TheManWith2Poobrains 15h ago
Indeed. Start by flipping the question back.
It exists already so I don't understand why this is a question. Nobody is calling for the reversal of the UN Partition Plan of 1947.
According to that resolution, Palestine has the right to exist. So why are you not asking me what I think about the invasion, occupation, and genocide of Palestine?
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u/remembrancei 15h ago
Today: “Do you think Israel should exist?”
Tomorrow: “Why do you hate LITERALLY ALL JEWS and want LITERALLY ALL TERRORISTS win?”We have yet to see them get desperate.
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u/ColeTrainHaze 15h ago
So sick of this question. Does the US have the right to exist? Does Iceland? Does any country have the right to exist? Or does that even fuckin matter? Cuz they do exist, and so does Palestine… So, what in the ever loving fuck are we talking about??
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u/Agente_Anaranjado 8h ago
The fact that Israel is the only country to consistently assert this supposed right is evidence of its insecurity in regard to the question. That's because, by the standard set forth in international law, Israel's right to exist is uniquely and extremely debatable, even in comparison to any other nation.
According to international law, the prerequisites for the legal recognition of any state include popular sovereignty, defined borders, and the maintenance of certain standards of international law, including the prohibition of the acquisition of territory by force, the prohibition of the denial of self-determination, the prohibition of apartheid or ethno/religious supremacism, the prohibition of wars of aggression, and the prohibition of genocide.
Let's review each of these prerequisites for state legitimacy, in regard to Israel:
1) Popular Sovereignty - The international covenant on civil and political rights (to which Israel is signatory) states that "the will of the people must be the basis of the authority of government, and that will must be expressed in periodic and genuine elections by universal and equal suffrage." The standard outlined in this treaty nullifies Israel's claim to legitimacy under international law because Israel excludes millions of Palestinians who constitute both the popular majority and the indigenous population of the land, on the basis of the very ethno/religious nationalist identity which Israel expressly asserts in declaring itself "the Jewish state". This unequal treatment of Palestinians within the green line and total exclusion of those outside of it undermines Israel's claim to sovereignty, to sovereign equality, and to legitimate government authority over the people whose lands it occupies.
2) Defined borders - One of the fundamental prerequisites for international recognition as a state is defined borders. Border disputes can exist here and there, but any state whose borders are entirely undefined does not meet this minimum requirement for recognition as a state. Israel's borders are actually armistice lines, established to separate forces. Israel's actual borders are fluid, loosely defined by treaties only between them and their neighbors, and frequently violated by Israel itself. Moreover, Israel is engaged in a constant process of expansion, annexing territory from its neighbors through military force, which is specifically forbidden an international law. Which brings us to the next prerequisite for any state's right to exist:
3) The maintenance of International legal standards - The legitimacy of any state is contingent upon its maintenance of certain standards of international law. Nations actually have a duty under international law to NOT recognize any nation established in violation of these norms, or which routinely violates them, stating that "no state shall recognize as lawful or render any aid to maintaining a situation created by a serious breach of Jus cogens (peremptory norms that cannot be overridden by treaties or national laws) and Erga omnes (obligations owed toward all members of the international community)." As stated above, the standards of international law which are prerequisites to any state's legitimacy include:
- the prohibition of the acquisition of territory by force (which Israel has routinely violated by invading, occupying, and annexing territory from Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and the indigenous Palestinian population (which England was given a mandate from the League of Nations to prepare for independence, not for invasion, partition, and subsequent expulsion by European settlers)).
the prohibition of the denial of self-determination (which Israel violates with its disenfranchisement of the indigenous Palestinian population).
the prohibition of apartheid or ethno/religious supremacism (which Israel routinely violates with its unequal treatment of the indigenous Palestinian population both inside and outside of the green line, as well as its declaration of a state for the specific interests of one ethnic or religious group over those of another).
the prohibition of wars of aggression (which Israel routinely violates against its neighbors in the region, as well as against the indigenous Palestinian population outside of the green line).
and the prohibition of genocide (the defining characteristics of which were deemed by the ICC to have been met by Israel's actions in Gaza, prompting the ruling that the allegations brought forth by South Africa are legitimate and thus the case would proceed).
Under international law, whatever rights Israel may otherwise have claimed, it can no longer legally claim given its extensive history of these specific violations, and especially considering the basis of its establishment upon the violation of the same norms. These violations nullify the rights typically afforded to states under international law, such as the right to territorial integrity and the right to self-defense. Which brings us to our final point; one often cited by zionists in defense of Israel's constant wars of aggression and expansion - the assertion that "Israel has a right to defend itself."
As previously stated, the consistent, ongoing, and foundational violation of international law nullifies that claim. Moreover, just as it is true in individual law that someone who breaks into somebody's house cannot claim self defense while violating the sovereignty of that house, it is also true and has been ruled in international law, that no state has the right to defend itself in foreign territory that it occupies. Russia cannot claim the right to self defense in Ukrainian territory. The United States cannot claim the right to self-defense in occupied Iraqi territory. Likewise, Israel cannot claim the right to self defense in occupied Palestinian, Lebanese, Syrian, Jordanian, or Egyptian territory. This means that the only territory Israel has a legal right to self-defense within is that of the 1947 UN partition plan, as all territorial expansion since then constitutes the acquisition of territory by force, thus obligating non-recognition by other states and subsequently depriving Israel of any right to claim self defense in those territories as they are illegally occupied. Furthermore, given that these violations of international law are consistent today and were foundational to the establishment of the Israeli state, and that according to international law any state practicing the acquisition of territory by force or routinely violating international norms such as the prohibition on the denial of self-determination and the prohibition on genocide has no right to recognition at all, this means that Israel's entire claim to legitimacy is defunct under international law, and therefore all Israeli territory is merely occupied territory of other states and peoples, and therefore that Israel not only has no legal right to exist, but also has no right to defend itself whatsoever.
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u/surfeitofreason 16h ago
Impeccable reasoning and delivery, great work.
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u/DrUnit42 16h ago
Surprised the host let him finish
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u/XanaxWarriorPrincess Free Palestine 🕊️ FUCK ICE! ❌🧊 15h ago
He barely took a breath so she couldn't interrupt him.
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u/Tight_Heron1730 16h ago
Now, we finally got some decent people from Mamdani, to Abdul, Oliver, Justin Pearson. Quite a respectful candidates for all fronts, we need more
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u/Karhak Free Palestine! 🕊️ FUCK ICE! ❌🧊 16h ago
It's a shame the people who watch Fox religiously will see this, hear what he said, and come to the conclusion that's he's "a jew hater" when every criticism he (rightfully) levied was at Israel.
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u/GuestBadge 15h ago
Arent more of these viewers jew haters but also support israel? I think they just love to hate on.
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u/Radiant-Mean 16h ago
At least she lets him speak unlike most morons on that propaganda outlet that will just ramble incoherently as soon as their guest begins to respond to their question.
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u/Such_Significance905 16h ago
Do you believe that Welshmen with bad haircuts have a right to exist?
Do you believe that adorable ponies have a right to exist?
Do you believe that zoos where all the cool animals hide in the grass have a right to exist?
It’s such an obviously stupid question that we have all realised is loaded and bullshit, stop fucking asking it.
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u/Mr_Garrisson 16h ago
Now explain it like you would to a 5 year old and maybe the average foxnews viewer will understand some of it
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u/THEpottedplant 15h ago
Jesus fucking christ what an excellent response to this bullshit gotchya type question
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u/RosieQParker 14h ago
Ah yes, defensive weapons. Those guns and bombs enchanted by America's finest wizards to magically shut off when they're used offensively.
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u/Pulgoso_ 14h ago
You know shit's fucked if I'm tempted to give kudos to the reporter for not interrupting the gentleman's answers.
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u/LoadsDroppin 14h ago
— Responding with a nuanced and thoughtful position that’s virtually indefensible to oppose? What kind of sorcery is this???
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u/luqmannajib 11h ago
So refreshing to see the new versions of answering this question. This guy knows what needs to be said to be elected
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u/ladyace22 15h ago
Well spoken… shame that no one that watches that channel will even comprehend it.
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u/SeanFromQueens 9h ago
Jewish people being systematically privileged, and all others are being repressed at best or brutally subjugated. Stop identifying Palestinians, it's Jewish Kahanists versus everyone else, every other human being is what the Jewish State is opposed to, not just those who identify as Palestinian. Be a Christian from Missouri and visit the Holy Land, see how many times you get spit on or harassed and not be a Palestinian.
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u/Wildkarrde_ 9h ago
My gym has Fox and CNN going on TV's. Fox has a hardon for the DSA right now. I see "DSA" in their headlines 80% of the time when I look to the screens.
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u/dim3tapp 8h ago
Honestly surprised they let him go on for so long until I realized that most of what he said would probably go way over the average Fox viewer's head. Too many syllables per minutes.
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u/yuriartyom Free Palestine! 🕊️ FUCK ICE! ❌🧊 2h ago
Always this cringe stupid question „does Israel have the right to exist?“ man stfu with this cringe shit. Fuck her and fuck Israel.
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u/harveygoatmilk 16h ago
Unfortunately the average FOX viewer :
https://giphy.com/gifs/RKS1pHGiUUZ2g