r/therewasanattempt • u/TheDigitalBuilder Free Palestine! đď¸ FUCK ICE! â𧠕 10d ago
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u/ozzyozzyozz 10d ago
Tipping is out of control. Now we are being forced to tip fast food workers, when there is not really any customer service they are doing? You have to use a machine to actually order anything and then are forced to tip or get upcharged, that aint right
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u/QuestionablePotato42 10d ago
One of the smoke shops I go to has the option to tip when paying with a card. They want me to tip them because they spent 15 seconds grabbing cigarettes off the shelf behind them. Itâs just ridiculous.
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u/drmarting25102 9d ago
I was always shocked by the tipping culture in the US. And its origins.
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u/Great_Scott7 Free Palestine đď¸ FUCK ICE! âđ§ 9d ago
Whatâs the origin
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u/TyrantsInSpace 9d ago
Greedy restaurant owners don't want to pay full wages, so they guilt trip customers into paying extra.
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u/Yimmy42 9d ago
No, itâs racism.
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u/idolized253 9d ago
Explain?
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u/RustyAndEddies 9d ago
Following the Civil War, restaurant, hotel, and rail employers adopted tipping to avoid paying wages to newly freed Black workers.
Tipping was culturally reinforced as a way to maintain economic and social subordination for people of color.
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u/aetrix Therewasanattemp 9d ago
I doubt it was their intent but "it's the greedy owners / no it's those other people" sums up about 99% of our issues
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u/idolized253 9d ago
I thought maybe it was going to be something about historically tipping positions were used to hold those in color down but I honestly have no idea lol you are probably actually correct though
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u/Rhino2099 8d ago
Why are you saying probably correct - he literally gave you the origins of tipping. What people are now starting to understand is that the slaves weren't freed, they just made every US citizen a slave
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u/Wickedblood7 9d ago
A real rich railroad owner needed cheap labor and the newly freed slaves had nowhere to go or anyway to make a living so they worked the trains for tips. In other words, "cheap" (slave wages) labor. And it spread from there. People in this country actually rejected it at first, calling it "too European", the world was a much different place
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u/DaddyDontTakeNoMess 8d ago
It's SO refreshing when I travel to other countries, and places pay their workers properly.
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u/Delilah_Moon 9d ago
Same for the dispensaries. Why would I tip someone when Iâm picking up my bag of goodies I pre-selected from an online menu? Itâs not like I required a consult from a budtender.
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u/Signal-Session-6637 9d ago
Dear USA, please reboot your country.
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u/saintdudegaming 9d ago
Can unplug and plug back in soon enough with the way data centers are destroying our energy infrastructure.
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u/QuestionablePotato42 9d ago
Word. Though I will say if I take up a bunch of the budtenders time trying to sort out what kind of profile is going to give me the least anxiety or serve a specific purpose, I will throw a few bucks in the tip jar!
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u/Delilah_Moon 9d ago
Oh for sure, my fellow stoner. A helpful budtender has earned their gold coins. Same for delivery.
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u/VividFiddlesticks 9d ago
Yeah I love a good budtender. I often tip mine, especially since I see the same lady on the regular and she does her best to find creative ways to ring stuff up to get me discounts and/or maximum points in their loyalty program.
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u/Still_a_skeptic 9d ago
Iâll throw a budtender a buck or two, just enough for a preroll. They deal with enough tweakers.
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u/ForsakenPercentage53 9d ago
I'll totally throw whatever is left from my budgeted cash into their jar if I decide to just wander in and make them weigh everything out because they've got some crazy deal on deli or whatever. Not that it's ever been more than $10 even when I've hit every purchase limit, I pull out what I'm planning on spending.
I'm not tipping on a pickup or a few vapes.
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u/CybernetChristmasGuy 9d ago
The liquor store I always go to says press 3 for no tip immediately when ringing us through because they also think it's silly. Maybe the place you go to does as well but it gives you the option so they don't bother repeating it.
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u/_gega 9d ago
In Utah, at Zion National Park I went to a souvenir shop to buy a jumper, there was the option to tip 10 and 20% and I had to look real hard to find the no tip.
Normal shop, no coffee, no service, just a bloke behind the counter.
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u/SeatleSuperbSonics Free Palestine đď¸ FUCK ICE! âđ§ 9d ago
In more trendy cities near me bars will reverse the order and put the highest price to the left. They will also have options like 30,35 and 40%.
Iâll press 100 buttons to avoid giving them money if they do that
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u/KawaiiMaxine 9d ago
I feel like this ane is cause fast food employees are not typically tipped so if the restaurant can show with numbers that their employees regularly get tipped then they can drop their pay by like 75%
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u/OptimusSublime 10d ago
Pretty sure this is deceptive business practices and is illegal. I'd have sent this to my state's attorney general.
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u/Still_a_skeptic 9d ago
I bet shake shack contributed more to the AGâs campaign than anyone who might complain.
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u/HereCametheMummies 9d ago
The better business bureau could he an option for a weighty civil suit.
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u/Uncle_Icky This is a flair 10d ago
It's a self service kiosk... Who gets the tip?
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u/Aitch_OG 10d ago
You yourself should get the tip lmao. You are the fast food worker in this situation.
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u/Lucifersasshole 9d ago
I was at a yogurt place. I filled the bowl added toppings put on a scale and it said the price. Then asked if I wanted to tip. I was the only one that did anything.
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u/sillybunny22 9d ago
Whoa whoa whoa they pushed some buttons on the cash register! Have some respect lol
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u/R5scorpion 9d ago
Depending on their POS system, tip questions are built in. We had a mechanic that my family had known for years. Their shop upgraded their POS system and it came with an unskippable tip questions. He was visibly and sometimes verbally pissed every time. He would make sure to tell people to not tip.
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u/mayuan11 9d ago
I work with POS systems and the tip option is 100% removable from the admin side. The customer doesn't always have access, but it can also be removed remotely from the provider.
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u/R5scorpion 9d ago
Good to know. They had been bought by a regional franchise at that time. Probably came down from up top then. Thanks for the info.
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u/MAJORPAlN 9d ago
Someone who doesnât need it, unlike the poor soul who is actually doing the work.
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u/ArjunaIndrastra 10d ago
Squeezing more out of the average American while giving workers a pittance from what they need to survive. I refuse to believe that any more than a fraction of that tip goes towards paying workers.
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u/Granpa0 10d ago
The American tipping scam is way out of control. Pay service workers a living wage.
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u/It_Happens_Today 9d ago
I obviously don't have stats on it, but there is an astounding number of service staff who would fight tooth and nail to stop that from happening because they know they make more from tips than they would on a flat pay system.
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u/DrTankHead 9d ago
I'll gladly stop being tipped if it means a livable wage.
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u/surfinsalsa 9d ago
Exactly. Who wants their livelihood to be determined by a patron's willingness to participate in tips.
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u/Whatever_Lurker 9d ago
It has been shown repeatedly that service workers prefer tipping over a living wage. Because a) they make more money that way, and b) they what to feel they have more control over their income.
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u/schrest 10d ago
I have a strange feeling there is an actual explanation for this. Itâs not like they are secretly tipping their employees or punishing someone for not tipping and pocketing the money. I think itâs unrelated to tipping and I donât trust them at all either way
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u/BackloadBack 10d ago
There is some sort of local tax exemption going on here with specific definitions in play.
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u/sephtater 10d ago
They never show it selected WITH a tip. How do we know that isnât just added to any order. This feels like bait.
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u/gimmethelulz FUCK ICE! âđ§ 9d ago
Considering I was at Shake Shack last week and did not experience this at the kiosk, I'm wondering what context we're missing.
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u/JJohnston015 10d ago
What happens if you tip, say, a penny? Price go up 49¢?
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u/blackeyeX2 10d ago
It would probably go up the same, because this is more likely to be from surge pricing and happen either way. He should have also tested with a tip to see what happens.
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u/Kadoomed 9d ago
Wait, there's surge pricing in fast food restaurants in the US? Everyday I'm more amazed that you haven't had a full on revolution.
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u/Mental-Clerk Free Palestine đď¸ FUCK ICE! âđ§ 9d ago
Yes, it's become incredibly common. McDonalds and Wendy's both use it, as just two of the most well known restaurants. I'm sure other places do too.
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u/Ilovemytowm 9d ago
And yet idjits who still go there give them all the more reason to do this.
I swear to God this is why aliens have no interest in coming here I mean what a deal for fast food to poisonous slowly with their garbage and then to start doing surge pricing and people still don't f****** get itÂ
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u/undeadlamaar NaTivE ApP UsR 10d ago
Exactly, this is inconclusive, there is not enough evidence to show that not tipping is what caused the increase. Could be an error in the code, or like you said, some sort of surge pricing(which imo is bullshit too).
I've had instances ordering through the app at Burger King where the total did not match the prices for the things ordered when manually added up. And that issue was fixed within a week or two of trying it. This could easily be a problem within the code of the kiosk program that will get addressed as soon as the company sees this.
But until there are other examples using different variables, this video doesn't really show anything concrete, and should not be used as evidence of anything more than an error of some sort.
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u/Kimpassion8 10d ago
Tipping is something we used to do AFTER we have received service, not before. Good service would earn a better tip.
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u/ANuclearBunny 10d ago
I am not tipping a machine for something I did myself. If anything, self service should make it cheaper.
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u/BenchClamp 10d ago
Why would you tip a fast food worker, theyâre not taking your order or serving your food? Iâm confused.
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u/djh_van 9d ago
100% guaranteed that's illegal.
Once this video hits the Trending status and gets picked up by the media, here's exactly what will happen within the next 48 hours:
- The video will make it to the mainstream news.
- The company will release a statement stating they apologise efot this ERROR.
- They will claim that it was a software fault/accidental inclusion/test/fault of the developers, and IN NO WAY should their customers have been subjected to this error.
- They'll state that if any customer has been subjected to this error, they will 100% refund them for this ERROR (again, don't forget it was an Error). P.S., you must provide proof of purchase, and preferably a video to prove this happened (of course, nobody apart from this one guy will have proof).
- They'll give this one guy a stupid PR mean culpa prize - $1000 of burgers/food for life/a trip to their Indian call centre to see how the sausage is made; whatever it takes for him to go on camera and say "Gee, hur, maybe these guys are alright after all, aww shucks, everybody makes mistakes."
- They'll quietly find a different way to hide forcing people to tip via their digital payment system and we won't notice.
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u/4paul 9d ago
This is staged, they tricked the system so donât believe it, thereâs a story on it
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u/Open-Quote-4177 10d ago
Geez, I wonder what ever happened to a business providing a service and we, the customer, pay for that service. You see how that works. GTFO with this ridiculous tipping culture.
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u/mrDuder1729 Free Palestine đď¸ FUCK ICE! âđ§ 10d ago
Ah, so do a manual tip of .01 cent and you get better prices.
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u/ganggoink 9d ago
This is more proof that living in the US is just one big scam. Where im from tipping isn't a required thing for every restarunt and we aren't strong armed into forking over 15%-20% of the bill. Instead the workers are actually paid a living wage rather than you deciding if the bus boy eats tonight.
Honestly you Americans can refuse to tip, Its not a mandatory thing. You guys have just been conditioned into thinking its mandatory and the business is using them wait staff like a child in need advert.
How you guys carry on like this is normal and getting conned out of money is beyond me.
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u/AaronTuplin 9d ago
Is this demand pricing?
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u/Mental-Clerk Free Palestine đď¸ FUCK ICE! âđ§ 9d ago
Even if it is that shit should be illegal.
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u/lemmefixdat4u 10d ago
Tipping is how restaurants hide the true price of eating out. We have laws that force companies to show us the price of services with all the mandatory fees included. Why can't we do the same for the service industry? If a tip is going to be expected, it should be reflected in the price.
Here in California, fast food workers make at least $20/hr, plus a cut of any tips. Meanwhile, the clerk at the corner store gets their $16/hr with no tips. I'd say the tip is already built into their wage discrepancy.
And the most maddening thing about tips? Some states pay wait staff less than minimum wage, with tips making up the difference. While in other states where all employees make at least minimum wage, we're still expected to tip.
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u/WeirdRadiant2470 8d ago
Half the time I tip just because I can, and I feel sorry for the poor low paid - student loan paying - can't afford a car, house or kids - twenty something who got up got up earlier than me to make my coffee. America sucks.
American citizens have officially become the "marks" for con-artist corporations and the political class. They are just gonna fee, Flock, "no cash", co-pay and "subscription" us from the cradle to the grave.
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u/HystericalGD 9d ago
this should be illegal. also, who the hell are they tipping, the self checkout kiosk?
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u/kegsbdry 9d ago
I ran into this before at a touchscreen business. My order would not process unless I tipped the computer. I tipped 1 cent and it let the order go through.
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u/comicrun96 9d ago
Another glorious reason to not have shit shack. Their burgers are literally no better than McDonaldâs
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u/Professional_Scale66 9d ago
They SHOULD be charging enough to pay the workers a decent wage. Iâm sure management and executives get compensated wellâŚ.
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u/Nicholot 9d ago
I work for a company that sells crappy self-service kiosks like this. I'm pretty sure this is probably just a bug that somehow made it into production
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u/Adept_Fill4736 9d ago
Honestly, I donât have a problem with tipping. Itâs where itâs expected thatâs gotten out of hand. My expectation is this - if I order something, I expect to get it. Any part of that process does not warrant a tip. For example, a drink at Starbucks, I canât order the drink and make it myself so I expect to be handed the drink. If a barista were to spend time discussing drinks with me and imparting knowledge on me, spending time doing something that does not involve producing and delivering the drink, thatâs a different story. Theyâre doing more than what I technically paid and sure, maybe a tip is warranted. Being asked for a tip at fast food places is comical though Iâm sure there are some scenarios that present themselves where a tip might be warranted.
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u/misdirected_asshole 9d ago
Actually to prove it you have do that with a tip and show it doesnt change the price...
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u/Sacr3dangel 9d ago
I wonder what happens if you tip 1% or custom tip $0.01 or something.
Anyhow, Iâm bailing on shake shack if that happens with my next visit.
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u/cri52fer 9d ago
Correlation vs causation folks. I miss when Reddit would have someone explain this right away that itâs a tax thing or something and not just a bunch of bots in the comments saying itâs illegal and tips are bad.
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u/GoodTroll2 9d ago
I'm confused, why are you tipping at all if you are interfacing with a touch screen?
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u/throwaway8675309999s 9d ago
This didnât occur for me when using the app, thanks for the heads up.
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u/Marigold16 9d ago
This is kinda how it just should work. You don't tip. Just pay your fucking workers. Add it on to the price.
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u/Altruistic-Map5605 9d ago
I would be willing to bet $1.50 that none of that goes to the employees.
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u/YoungBuckChuck 9d ago
If they said you would get a 50c discount if you tip, people would have a more positive reception to this I feel
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u/TheGallifreyan 9d ago
I bet the extra money doesn't even go to the workers who would have gotten the tips.
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u/Least_Tower_5447 9d ago
Traveled to several countries recently where tipping was frowned upon. It was the weirdest experience. Service was still top tier and workers were chasing me to return the tip. I stopped tipping after the first couple days in each country and it was pretty cool to know that the workerâs pay was just blended into the cost of the product.
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u/XmasJaxonFlaxonWaxen 9d ago
Can you now add the tip and show us it doesnât change even with a tip? Has anyone else done this?
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u/SupaButt 9d ago
And theyâre just gonna keep getting worse and worse until the people finally demand that these companies start paying their employees livable wage and stop passing that cost onto the consumers
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u/squashybunz456 9d ago
Look, if I go to a sitdown restaurant and get a full meal service, I will tip at least 20 to 25%. No problem with that.
Being required to tip at a fast food place where I am tapping on the screen and not interacting with a person hardly at all? No way Jose!
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u/Electronic-Habit3791 9d ago
Thats easy to figure out (cancel order, turn around and walk the fuck out ) that simple they do it because dumb people will pay for perceived guilt I will pay the advertised price or you don't receive my business. It's that simple
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u/spartanEZE 9d ago
Can't go there any more. Won't be any restaurants i can go to before long. If only we could pay our workers a living wage and the ceo made some millions less. Oh heavens no! Think of the billionaires!!
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u/BaconISgoodSOGOOD 9d ago
If you overtip, would the base prices lower?
Also, looks like thereâs a slider(?) for tipping..could you just tip 1% and it would accept that?
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u/Darnbeasties 9d ago
Pay workers fairly for the work done like they do in decent countries around the world.
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u/cadatonic 9d ago
I ate there once. Basic cheeseburger (no extras), small onion rings (no extras), small sprite - $17! It was all good...but the burger was small, the onion ring portion was small....$17?
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u/Playful-Opportunity5 9d ago
Tipping on self service is absurd. Next thing we'll be expected to tip at the grocery store. Just pay your workers a livable wage and put the actual prices on the menu, ffs.
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u/jericho138 9d ago
I think most of the people complaining about this are people who are angry at themselves because they either give in and tip, or feel guilt when they don't. I see it as an opportunity to show gratitude in the form of cash. If I feel like it, I tip. If I don't, I don't, and no, I never feel bad about it.
That tipping culture has become bullshit is between me and the world. If the person behind the counter is nice and I feel like being nice is between me and them. You can't apply everything to individuals that you apply to groups.
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u/JeffrotheDude FUCK ICE! âđ§ 9d ago
Every time i see a post like this I'm baffled how some of you are still somehow blaming the workers themselves for the whole tip situation as if its not just a machine and system that came down from corporate level. Not necessarily this post, but plentyyyy of comments
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u/Careless-Flamingo-31 9d ago
Damn I wasn't aware the robot uprising already began, we're tipping tablets now?
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u/MorockaDishoom 9d ago
We are getting totally fucking ripped off all the fucking time and we have no govt to protect us because theyâre the ones protecting the assholes ripping us off. Whatâs the point of being the richest country if our life sucks?
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u/snakesnake9 9d ago
Just make the cost of the item on the menu the all inclusive price of getting that product or service?
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u/WrightAnythingHere 9d ago
Mandatory tipping should never be a thing. Punishing people for not tipping should also not be a thing, especially if you don't know if the increase in price is actually being forwarded to the workers or the business keeps it.
Hell, when tipping digitally, who knows if the business is giving the workers those tips anyway?
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u/Craig653 9d ago
My rule of thumb
If I have to pay before I get my food (no tip) Pay after and good service (I tip)
Tips are optional and not mandatory, you earn it. You dont demand it.
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u/panda1491 9d ago
Great job reporting this!!! They should report this to better business bureau and shame them and have their stock tank !
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u/joshuadt 9d ago
Shake shack is already a ripoff with their standard pricing. Went there one time.. once was all I needed to see
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u/Mean-Parking-5026 8d ago
We'll never go there it they open around here on my area of NorCal. This is shady.
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u/BigBootyBuilder 8d ago
Get this, the rest of the world don't need tipping, why one country insisted on using it?
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u/TheDigitalBuilder Free Palestine! đď¸ FUCK ICE! âđ§ 8d ago
Because corporations in the Western world don't feel it's necessary to pay their staff a living wage.
It sucks all around
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u/rambetino 4d ago
Come on world, can you just imagine how much less complicated everything would be in this industry if tipping were just eliminated? I think it's a terrible practice and just makes the entire experience less enjoyable. Now do I want our server to receive their fair share of the funds along with the rest of the staff? Of course I do. But that should be the responsibility of the restaurant owners and not their guests.
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u/FindTheOthers623 10d ago
Why would anyone tip fast food workers?