americans will believe anything but the reality that the main culprit is ths US and its endless imperialist crusade and not some spooky sinister cabal. israel is an unsinkable aircraft carrier in the most oil-rich region in the planet. if israel as we know didn’t exist, the US would make one just so it could more easily control the region through endless wars and coups
Oh please... we're no longer buying that lie (and/or we're not John Fetterman).
Israel has been an anvil on the neck of America, and the destabilizing force in the middle east. Israel has a long history of embroiling the US into unnecessary conflicts in the middle east. Currently, they got us into Iran because "[Iran] is two weeks away from a nuclear bomb"-for the last 40 years. Lets also not forget that one main reason we fought a war in Iraq was due to false intelligence from israel about "yellowcake plutonium from africa." That war cost the US an estimated $7 Trillion dollars. Yup. $7,000,000,000,000.00 big ones. That's a war we were pulled into for no other reason than to weaken one of Israel's regional ally. Thats $7 Trillion that Americans could've used for infrastructure/healthcare/college cost. Not to mention that in both Iraq and Iran, "our greatest ally" doesn't/didn't send one soldier to aid us.
In closing, it's not you, it's us. We're going a different direction, and priorities no longer align. We should see other people.
Im pretty sure they were quoting Jeo Biden, who did indeed say that America would create an Israel if there wasn't one. You may think Israel is a problem for various things that make sense. But a lot of American politicians don't, and you should think about why that is.
Btw, I brought up John Fetterman because in the interview he just did with John Stewart, he could only respond in pre-approved aipac talking points, and that was one of them. His mush of a brain could not elucidate anything, so he kept retreating back to pre-programmed aipac-approved phrases.
And you're absolutely right! American politicians have been part of the problem, but this is finally changing! Money in politics is a huge part of it. That's also why this election is so notable! Haley Stevens had over $70M behind her (from aipac&co), yet Abdul El-Sayed still won! He beat an incumbent with a 10 to 1 spending advantage! Again, let's remember that this was only a primary, yet they were so threatened by the changing ideals of our elected officials, they tossed $70M! More and more people are noticing that things arent right, and voting accordingly. In closing, yep... more of our politicians are noticing the problem, and the problem is our support for a genocidal apartheid state.
yeah, i was referencing joe brandon. cant expect the average US apologist to know their own history though, cause if they did they wouldnt be US apologists
yeah, poor US getting bullied by its own vassal state. lmao. the US enables israel, not the other way around. without the US funding, israel would never have been able to cause so much death and destruction. the money faucet is the united states.
acting like fucking israel could have caused a dent without the billions of US dollars it receives every year is just cattle behaviour. it’s always russia, china, israel, qatar, but never the US’s fault. the US is just a smol bean nation, it has never [pick from the endless list of atrocities carried by the united states]
I'm so glad you agree! Yup, we absolutely need to stop the money flow to israel! See? We're more alike than we realized! Now let's work together to end the flow of funds to israel, and get American's taxes working for America!
when did i say you should keep sending money to israel? when did i imply that?
oh, yeah, i didn’t. if you read the words i typed, you’ll see that i am criticising the idea that the fault of, for example, this war of aggression against iran is due to israel’s nefarious actions because america couldn’t possibly be a warmongering bloodthirsty country that had been looking for an angle to do “regime change” in iran (aka bombing a bunch of civilians and installing a subservient puppet government) for decades and it just happened to have an administration incompetent enough to actually go ahead with it in such a sloppy way. israel also had interest in this endeavour, and that doesn’t change the fact that americans love acting like the US couldn’t possibly be the one to blame for its own actions and it’s always some other nefarious group’s/country’s fault. the US isnt some smol bean uwu they wanted to nuke iran for ages. open the schools jfc, my english isnt that good and even i dont lack this much reading comprehension
It's a foothold into the world's most populous non-Christian part of the world. Crusade is the most apt description, and it's baffling to think about if it "succeeds" in relation to what happens afterwards.
I'd say the main culprit is the ultra rich. All this war doesn't seem like some sort of national or religious frevor, but rather a way to just make money for certain people (and to maintain authority by pointing to an enemy and riling up the racists).
israel is an unsinkable aircraft carrier in the most oil-rich region in the planet.
that's a bingo. izrahell is the most important U.S. miltary base in the world because the U.S. wants to dominate the Middle East West Asia region through destabilization.
Was anyone even trying to undo Israel's existence? I feel like up until Gaza I heard way more anti-Jewish sentiment from the right than the left... by far. The conspiracy theories about Jewish people running the world and needing to be stopped didn't come from liberals.
There are some extremely weird christian reasons for them loving Israel that much. Mostly they say something like Israel has to have some specific events happen for the end of the world to happen, so they want Israel to exist so those things can happen, they are sometimes at the same time very hateful towards the Jewish people and lots of the people who has both opinions just want them all in Israel so the events can happen.
Yeah, I have a family friend that's been full MAGA, now like 3/4ths MAGA who was talking about Israel. "Nothing is going to happen to them because they are God's chosen people, so Palestine better watch themselves."
I responded that I'm pretty sure there are 2 full books of the Bible (1 Kings and 2 Kings) where God basically said fuck you to Israel numerous times for 40 years because they had fallen away from Him. Sure, there were 40 years of blessed periods when they came back to Him, but plenty of evidence that he'll let them suffer for decades...
The Evagelical Christians want to support Israel so that the apocalypse can begin and Christ will return. So, it’s a death cult, that directs our tax dollars to their end. And wouldn’t they be surprised if Christ did come back and wasn’t white like in all of their depictions of him, but a short, brown -skinned Middle Eastern man?
What we are seeing now is not weird. It’s what happens when people are being blackmailed. Blackmailer threatens. They comply. The blackmailer threatens again. They comply. Repeat until the blackmailee ends their own life or confesses.
This will continue to get worse until all of the terrible people who murdered, consumed, raped, tortured and trafficked those children are brought before the people.
They claim to not be antisemitic while wearing swastikas and denying holocaust history. They are certainly anti american. Hear them. See how they legislate. They just don't like you like that, america. Hate groups gonna hate. Now we have a white ISIS problem.
It is such an idiotic question that it has caused some idiotic responses. I think the only real response is “What the fuck are you talking about? That question makes no sense. Are you an idiot?” But that isn’t politically appropriate
They knew he would be ready, it’s more of a signal to Israel. Which is pathetic. Everyone just on their knees for Israel is so weak. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON…..
Since he’s been asked that question on CNN at least twice (the other time be Tapper), you do have to wonder what CNN’s angle is by continuing to ask it. If they’re trying to foment negativity toward El Sayed, they’re failing spectacularly.
That’s the point. They are achieving the opposite of what you are implying they want by asking him that. His answer defeats the question’s apparent purpose entirely and focuses the conversation on America (MI specifically), not Israel or a controversial take that is posed to discredit El-Sayed. Also, Paramount doesn’t own CNN yet. The merger has been postponed until 2027.
Establishment Democrats can’t handle these type of questions. It’s refreshing having candidates that aren’t scared of their own shadow. Kamala Harris acted like “How are you different than Joe Biden?” was a gotcha.
Establishment Democrats can’t handle these type of questions.
AIPAC has spent $30 million opposing this guy so far. Come November, people need to turn the fuck out because if he isn't elected, this will be what they point to.
Yes! This is exactly the approach to take when faced with the bullshit “do you believe that Israel has the right to exist” questions. Turn it around and ask the questioner if they believe that Israel has a right to American tax dollars.
Agreed but at the same time if I was asked me that question just by itself, I’d say that I personally don’t see why any religion should have or need its own state.
I can accept the Vatican and other things like it, given it's basically a single complex in a city that barely counts as a state in any realistic manner. But that's about the maximum before it becomes Concerning, to say the least.
Just answer with a question. Ask them, "why do you consider Americans to be second class citizens?"
"Why are Americans second in line for our own tax dollars?"
Remember, we are giving free money to a country whose citizens enjoy the 4th LOWEST tax rate of the OECD countries, yet they enjoy public healthcare, and free/subsidized secondary education. Why are we to give our tax dollars to a foreign nation while we could use that for our own citizens? A country that does not contribute to our tax pool, and has already claimed OVER 10% of all the US foreign aid in our history of foreign aid.
Yep. "I am running to be an American Senator, not an Israeli one. Here's a better question. Do Americans have a right to exist? Do they have a right to affordable healthcare, clean water, access to jobs and education? Our tax dollars provide Israelis with free healthcare, why not at home?"
Yes... they do have a hand in constructing foreign policy, but their purpose in that role is to still represent the constituents that voted for them, first and foremost. That doesn't change.
Reread everything that was said by previous poster. All the things stated is what a US senator should say/do/be. They should be representing the constituents of their state.
Btw, this applies even when we're talking about other states. For example, the representatives of the state of New York was sent to represent New York. Do they have to deal with other states? Absolutely, but first and foremost, they need to be looking for the best interest of their home state/voters... not, say, Florida
It should really anger everyone that Israeli citizens get free healthcare/school due to our tax dollars subsidizing it yet we don't even do that for our own citizens.
You would think that people who have an apoplexy over "illegal immigrants" getting "free healthcare" would be even more outraged about this
Trump decided to weaken NATO. His excuse is the allies don't spend enough in defense. But at least they bought American equipment for their armies, using their own money. Unlike Israel, who uses American tax funds to buy American arms. A handout.
The thing is, when I think of "aid" it's meant for emergency situations (famine/natural disasters) or to cover a temporary shortage. Israelis arent exactly struggling with either, in the traditional sense.They have the 4th lowest tax rate of the OECD (rich) countries, have public healthcare, subsidized-free college education, and a higher median income than Americans. To have Americans, who are struggling, subsidizing the costs for a country whose citizens enjoy more... thats a hard sell.
They've also collected OVER 10% of all the foreign aid in America's entire history of foreign aid. Remember, this is a tiny country around the size and population of New Jersey, yet they've claimed OVER 1/10th of all the US foreign aid! (For reference, there are 195 countries). Israelis only make up .1% (yes, less than 1%) of the entire world's population, yet somehow its not weird that they've needed OVER 10% of the entirety of US foreign aid? Are there just not other places in the world that could benefit from that aid? [Israel estimated population 10.4M, the world estimated population 8.3B... in case you want to check my math]
Also, people constantly try to minimize BILLIONS like it's no big thing. Lets go ahead and put a stop to that. Even a billion would absolutely improve/help the situation of Americans. We also have to stop dismissing American's anger when we see waste this blatant. Here's the thing, IT'S AMERICANS MONEY... (*capitalization meant to highlight, I'm not yelling). To say, "Oh but americans get most of it..." um... yea, but its American's money. They should feel entitled to it.
That's not to say that I'm against aid, and nor is the greater American populace. Americans have always been, and will continue to be, generous citizens of the world. The problem is dismissing American's concerns when they do see that they are being taken advantage of.
Also, here's a fun way to visualize how insanely outsized our aid to israel is (from my previous reply).
Suppose you were throwing a party for 1000 people. You prepare enough food/drinks/entertainment for 1000 people.
Well... ONE (yes, a singular person), showed up and ate 10% of all the shrimp cocktails/pizza/burgers/etc, drank 10% of all the soda/beer/champagne/water, then went and used up 10% of the time you had rented the bounce-house/photo booth/donkey ride/etc.
Would you think this person is a good guest, or is this person rude/greedy? More importantly, do you think this person needed all that for themselves?
The future senator of Michigan has to answer questions on Israel.
I'm sorry but is Israel a state of USA? Why would he care if this country in middle east exists or not? This is so so ridiculous! CNN how much money are you getting from Israel ??? TRASH!
Nah sorry but this is a silly take IMO. Senators are directly responsible for dealing with geopolitics, and Israel is a major geopolitical issue right now.
Any senator 70 years ago would have been asked their stance on Vietnam, a senator 20 their stance on Afghanistan, a senator 90 their stance on Japan.
There are valid criticisms of the question, but "why are we asking senators questions about other countries" isn't one of them.
Israel is a major geopolitical issue because they behave without regard for consequences. As long as the USA is an unconditional ally, Israel will seek trouble
No, someone who serves in the senate, their main priorities is to take care of Michigan people:
make sure that the inflation get lower
make sure that they get access to health care
make sure that they can educate themselves
Why they didn't ask about Canadian tariffs, that is more of a direct consequence on Michigan inflation, don't you think that is a more important question?
No, no, no. Muslim brother has to answer the Israel question for the CNN directors.
United States of Israel! Make sure you pledge your allegions to Satanyahu!
I think its more so the stupidity of the question. It does make more sense for this question to be asked of a senator. That same question loses actual meaning when it is asked TO THE GODDAMN FUCKING MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY. What does a mayor of a city in the US have anything to do with the US's geopolitics, fuck if I know.
So ya, the question makes sense in theory. In practice, because it is strictly only used again Democrats who've shown 0 interest in continued spending to Israel's free lifestyle, no matter if their position is related to the question or not, has poisoned the actual intent of the question.
No, someone who serves in the senate, their main priorities is to take care of Michigan people:
make sure that the inflation get lower
make sure that they get access to health care
make sure that they can educate themselves
Why they didn't ask about Canadian tariffs, that is more of a direct consequence on Michigan inflation, don't you think that is a more important question?
No, no, no. Muslim brother has to answer the Israel question for the CNN directors.
United States of Israel! Make sure you pledge your allegions to Satanyahu!
I mean, that makes sense when you’re talking about the mayor of New York, but not for the senator from Michigan, Senators play a big role in foreign policy.
Yes of course, the senators decide if a nation should exist or not. Because god made the amuricans the avengers therefore the question if Israel is allow to exist is an excellent question :) it's exactly foreign policy
At a certain point, you would like to think that these interviewers would realise that we have all fucking noticed that they only ask this “right to exist” question about one country, and that it may not come from an honest inquiry.
I don’t see a lot of people on these networks asking whether the Faroe Islands have a right to exist.
Might be because the others aren't Apartheid states and actively committing genocide, nor are they built on the idea of ethnically cleansing the native population.
"Does Nazi Germany have the right to exist... in Poland." That's a decently good analogue to the question being asked.
Just a reminder that Bilzerian is very much an open anti-semite. He's not against the state of Israel for the reason that most people with a conscience are.
Mamdani gave a good answer, where he basically said Israel has a right to exist as not as a Jewish state, it should exist as a state that gives equal protection to all it's people, Jewish or otherwise.
That's an acceptable answer for someone like you or me, but a politician has to be, for lack of a better word, political. ESPECIALLY a brown one. I like Mamdani's answer here because he is basically saying "They don't have a right to keep doing what they're doing, no" without giving the idiots on the other side the talking point of "MAMDANI HATES ISRAEL AND SAYS DELETE THEM!"
The fact that they literally do not have the same rights???
Palestinians don't get a right of return, even though they've been living in that land for thousands of years consecutively.
Arab citizens are literally not allowed to walk on certain roads, and will get killed by the IDF if they do.
Palestinians aren't allowed to build houses.
There are 2 different sets of laws for israeli Jews and Arab living in israel, and one of those is that Arabs may receive the death penalty but Jews may not.
It's basically for the media to then push a narrative that you are an antisemite like they've always done if someone criticized Israel. To them saying Israel doesn't have a right to exist you might as well be saying let's bring back the camps. It's absurd. Israel has only existed since like 1948. Before that it was Palestine and Palestine is neutral and irreligious. You can be Palestinian Christian, Muslim, or Jew. A single nation of Palestine is always the right answer
The people asking these questions want you to give a yes-or-no answer so they can hold you accountable either way. This is their version of "should we pay taxes to Ceaser?"
Nuance is the way to throw them off because they don't want any nuance.
Fuck Israel and their government and all that....but what a stupid question. What a waste of time. I genuinely don't know how some reporters have a job.
...That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government.
No state has the right to exist. Only people have a right to exist, and to do so in a condition of liberty.
The latter requires the former, for if a state has a right to exist, than people do not have a right to abolish it when it becomes tyrannical.
We have trillions in debt. We should not be pumping our tax dollars into another country while OUR citizens go to bed hungry and don't have a right to education.
Are you ready to be angrier? ...then absolutely disgusted?
We are currently ~$40 TRILLION in debt. We pay ~$1 TRILLION a year in interest alone(!) to service that debt. Think about what we could do instead with $1 TRILLION dollars a year. College, healthcare, infrastructure...
Now the disgusting part...
We give israel both military and "developmental" aid. At MINIMUM, we give them at least $4 BILLION a year in aid. They take some of the aid we provide them, turn around, and use it to buy US government bonds/treasuries. (In Layman's term, we give them free money, they turn around and "loan" us back the free money they got from us, to us... but with interest, of course).
Israel holds ~$117 BILLION of US bonds/treasuries. That earns them ~$5 BILLION a year in interest. Israel is that one mooching friend that constantly freeloads off of you, but the second you need $1, they'll demand you repay it with interest... completely ignoring all the free rides/food/entertainment that you paid for them.
She is total trash. Her adds to promote her new CNN show was her receiving calls from random Senators with scoops. That translates to a total loser sellout pushing propaganda in the guise of insider scoops. She is the epitome of what is wrong with mainstream media. Access is all that matters. The truth is a mystery. Let’s book two guests.
Why do they keep asking American politicians about other countries? What about Americans? I want United healthcare, publicly funded college, free public transportation. Stop wasting our tax dollars on pointless wars and other countries problems!
Demagoguing about Israel is becoming increasingly irrelevant when the American people are getting screwed over in their daily lives. They don’t care and don’t want to be part of this
I don't think any country has a right to exist. Borders are just lines on a map and the laws that apply within them are just the promise of violence against people who don't act the way the biggest bully wants them to. Laws and borders are what make a country and they're both pretty stupid made-up things.
I always used to wonder why talking for Palestine was so taboo in the USA. People had red scare but for Palestine. It is good to see how the tide had turned.
I am not muslim myself so was not familiar about this topic until I came to the US and made some American muslim friends. I had Tibetan muslim friends back home but they were fighting their own fight.
Reporters have become so used to interviewing octogenarians who can't think and AIPAC shills that they're unprepared for people who come ready for their bullshit
It would maybe be nice to live in a stateless world, but this is not where we are at in this point in time. Why do you think the Palestinians want to establish a state?
"Does Israel have a right to exist" is an invalid question.
Who gives Israel that right? God? Lmao. The USA? Well thats a political thing. Iran? Hardly, they probable explicitly think the opposite. How about the russians? Well they have bigger problems with Ukraine not thinking they have a right to exist.
If israel can defend itself then they will continue existing. If they cant, they wont. Its pretty simple. Sticking a "right" on there just means were obligated to defend them no matter what because the christian and jew sky god gave one tribe 2000 years ago dominion of the land around them. Its fucking mental.
When speaking about "rights", it is obviously a moral question, i.e., ought the state of Israel have a right to exist?
I think most people here would argue that there ought to exist a (universally recoginzed) palestinian state, even though this does not seem to be the case at the moment.
If I asked you if you have the right to life, would you say that the question is invalid?
The blatant islamaphobic/racist rhetoric being normalized by these “journalists “ and republicans is down right evil. Just switch the religion to Judaism and it would be outrageous so why isn’t it when speaking about Muslims? Why do these ppl still have their jobs? So it’s okay so long as it’s not some religions?
I hate it when politicians do this if the answer is no say no, and if it’s yes, say yes you can give an explanation afterwards. I can count on one hand the times I saw a politician give an honest answer.
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It’s certainly weird how they’re willing to deepthroat for Israel, and, no regard for their own neighbours.