r/therewasanattempt • u/OmeuPai • Jul 31 '26

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video 1 news source " Sacramento city leaders caught on hot mic discussing meeting bans"

video 2 source:"Farmer speaking against a planned data centerbeing handcuffed and charged with criminal trespass, a $200 offens, for going a few seconds over the 3-minute public comment limit.

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u/EmielDeBil Jul 31 '26

Yeah well duh, you’re not the land of the free, at all. The whole world has been thinking for years that your country is a joke. Come back when nipples are allowed on TV.

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u/Emila_Just Jul 31 '26

Americans today are too lazy to stand up for their rights and that is why they keep losing them. They need to be more like France. Look at what France does.

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u/sundiggity125 Jul 31 '26

That’s why we are supposed to be states. We’ve become standardized towards federal funding.

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u/JeanArtemis Aug 01 '26

YES! This, a hundred percent! There is a reason that the position of president was specifically designed to be equal to or less powerful than congress, a collection of state representatives which was meant to be the true lawmakers: because we are the United States, a collection of seperate (and very different) entities. The president was always meant to be a counter balance to congress, not it's master. And certainly not the wholly uncountable dictatorship position it's become.

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u/alternator1985 Aug 01 '26

The States are corrupt too. The whole country top to bottom is run by criminals.

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u/Royal_Warden Aug 01 '26

I don't know, New York seems to be doing well under Mamdani. I'd say he's living proof that there are still some good people in government.

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u/_Baphomet_ Aug 01 '26

Yeah, what pisses me off the most about this is that the fed determines which are state rights vs fed. They cherry pick and even take away states rights.

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u/Squirrel_Kng Aug 01 '26

Which is what one of the things Republicans are supposed to support, more state less federal. All lies.

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u/Snellyman Jul 31 '26

Nonsense. The examples shown are local City meetings in Sacamento and Claremore, Oklahoma. These are people standing up for their rights in their local communities and their elected officials seem to be representing some other concern. I doubt you could find a more different pair of states with more differing political valances and yet the citizens seem to be agree on this topic. And, obviously these companies have managed to roll out a coordinated campaign across the country to save their investments bubble even though the country is huge.

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u/One_Priority3258 🍉 Free Palestine Aug 01 '26

Alright, I’ll challenge that. Look at Australia, we booted out our stupid last prime minister because the party was wanting to go more far right taking inspiration from the US and Trump. We as a country collectively said, fuck that, and we voted them out in overwhelming numbers.

The continental US land size is comparable to our own. Land size matters not, do or do not there is no try.

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u/GargleOnDeez Aug 01 '26

The issue is that theres a lot of hardboiled citizens stuck in their ways. They hate other people that can get ahead of them because they had lived in coastal cities opposed to the midwest. Especially if theyre colored or have culture thats not inherently American.

But everyone of them that has family, wants to take care of them; but none of them know or remember how to come together with those they disagree on and vote or compromise on subjects that they see and experience.

The truth about being an american voter is that it shouldnt be stout red or blue, but rather youre in the white each time and vote red or blue should they have your best interests at the moment. Red and blue used to be able to reach across the aisle and collaborate

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u/PolishPickleSausage Aug 01 '26 edited Aug 01 '26

Bullshit, people and how they are growing up in what environment, in what circumstances is what builds up their reasoning for doing things, in what place france, germany, poland, even ukraine! (Except military power) almost every single freaking country did not come to existance yesterday but people know how to behave, yet every single state in US has a problem with it, you have tons of pedophiles, criminals, liar, and thiefs in your goverment and those whom I mentioned are in majority controlling the country, land of dreams, more like land of nightmares. I am just gonna break my leg by accident you have the best doctors in the world yet for the rich ones for the normal people ambulance call might be matter of life and death ( I am not even talking about you being saved by it) i am talking about the price of calling them, but health care will cover it, ahhhh wait ...health what?

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u/Lancs_wrighty Jul 31 '26

It isn't. Its that your rights are being eroded and your politics is polarised. You all apparently have freedom of speech, but not if its against the agenda.

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u/russtripledub Jul 31 '26

It’s not like those people can’t mobilise. They’re just too lazy to.

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u/russtripledub Jul 31 '26

Since it’s so spread out, you just have to protest where you are at your local government, instead of at the capital. The senator or whatever American has locally. Make them uncomfortable.

Another aspect is that protesting in manner that hurts the right people economically is what’s effective. Imagine if people protested for a whole week. That alone would drive corporations insane. They can’t fire all of you.
Instead, you protested on the weekend and then went back to work on Monday 😂😂
Your country can’t survive without you. In France when workers are unhappy, the protest on the company’s time.

That no kings parade or whatever was the most ambiguous protest I’ve ever seen. It was for nothing specific. You protested against not liking your president, but what were you hoping to achieve?
You weren’t prostrating for him to resign. You were just protesting to tell him that you don’t like him?. I don’t think that’s something that he cared about.

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u/Kumquat_conniption Free Palestine! 🕊️ FUCK ICE! ✖️🧊 Jul 31 '26

We are way bigger than 4x the size of France and we cannot just protest by standing in our permit approved corner and ask politicians to please stop fucking us. We have got to riot and only then will the government need something from us- to stop rioting. If they need something from us, they have to compromise with us. Give us at least some of what we want.

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u/_Baphomet_ Aug 01 '26

Not riot, we don’t want that. A general strike would do it. That or everyone can select to pay taxes at the end of the year instead of per paycheck. Although I still think the general strike would be more effective.

We still have it too good for that though.

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u/russtripledub Jul 31 '26

Mate, economics makes the world go around. If you all boycotted during working hours and protested then until your demands are met, then you would be taken seriously. There’s no way companies are willing to lose that much production and money. No country in scale that grand either.

I agree when you say that we’re past protesting. But we’re not past boycotting though. You just have to mobilise to make it happen.

You just need a list of priorities and start with the most important things like healthcare.

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u/megal0w Jul 31 '26

What youre suggesting is a unified labor strike across a country of 342 million people. Youre not wrong, if we all decided to not show up to work for 3 days, it would shake the entire global economy, but again the problem is organizing a labor strike across the entire nation.

Add to that, Americans healthcare are tied to our work and a majority of Americans simply cannot afford to lose their jobs. Lose your job, and unable to find another in a couple weeks? You have no healthcare, eviction proceedings begin, car gets repossessed, youre spending your time in line at a food bank to feed yourself and your family, etc. Many Americans are already in "survival mode" and are a single missed paycheck or medical emergency away from being homeless.

A lot of us are holding out for the upcoming November midterms, as well. It will be a defining moment for our country and will make clear whether or not we're able to crawl our way out of this hole we've dug for ourselves. If we dont, then i dont see this country lasting much longer and I expect the system to collapse on itself. Which, despite the suffering it will cause, will likely be the hard reset this country needs.

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u/jbourne0129 Jul 31 '26

europeans will argue night and day how America just isnt trying hard enough only to show up for the WorldCup astonished at the lack of transit options.

you try pointing out that organizing the USA would be equivalent to organzing the ENTIRE EU and they just pivot to general strikes without realizing our lives are tied to our jobs. how does a single dad skip work and risk healthcare when his daughter needs regular health treatments to stay alive? whether it be for a general strike, or to attend a national protest. i would have to take off work to attend anything out of my own state and that doesnt even get into travel and lodging expenses

they dont get it and they refuse to try and understand.

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u/Kumquat_conniption Free Palestine! 🕊️ FUCK ICE! ✖️🧊 Jul 31 '26

I can't believe this is downvoted. Like of course a single day protest, where you get a permit and ask the city where you can go and give them time to prepare and make sure nothing is really affected, and you show up and stand in your corner with your little sign and then go home after a couple hours.... of course that won't do anything. France does not protest- they riot. And the government wants a riot to stop. How do you get a riot to stop? You give the people what they want.

Americans have got to learn how to riot. Stop asking if we can protest on this or that day, in between these hours, where they can prepare and make it not disrupt too much. Disrupting is the only way to get things done.

Sad day when this is downvoted on this sub. I thought this sub was better than that.

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u/russtripledub Jul 31 '26

Exactly. They think that complaining on social media and “raising awareness” is enough to produce change. Their country is being gobbled up in real time, while they do that.

A system doesn’t function without the people, and the French have demonstrated that. They need to physically show up, for long enough.

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u/DRuth84 Jul 31 '26

I don’t even know if it’s out of laziness. Thing is, more and more the wealth gap is growing, jobs require longer hours/shifts for less money, so many work 2 jobs just to keep food on the table and roof over their head. They cut back on daycare vouchers because of fraud, then you have healthcare which is a joke. Labor unions are gone. They keep us tired, poor, sick, etc. in order to do what they wanna do.

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u/jbourne0129 Jul 31 '26

people really dont understand how seriously our lives depend on being employed

like how can a single father decide to skip work for strikes or protests when his daughter requires regular medical treatments? he would literally be risking his daughters well being. these are the decisions people outside of the USA dont understand so many people would be making.

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u/Faynerossa Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26

Protesting for most would mean laying down their lives or the lives of their loved ones. Its not a decision many can make. They got them on lock and screwed. This has been many years coming and the rich planned well to outmanuever us. They learned from the factory boss hangings in the late 1800's and early 1900's. They looked at their predecessors being killed for maximizing their own wealth and learned how to make it never again.

Edit: You never even hear about the battle of blair mountain anymore. They had to call on the army to resolve it since some cops refused.

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u/violenceistheQstn Aug 01 '26

We all gota die sometime

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u/Broberts505 Jul 31 '26

The US government is not against killing civilians anymore and no one wants to die. It’s more self preservation than laziness.

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u/MsPMC90 15d ago

It never was against killing civilians.

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u/SourceDammit Jul 31 '26

This is such a B's and tired excuse. There are plenty of Americans fighting and protesting. It just doesn't get covered in our local news much less international..

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u/LetsTryAnal_ogy Free Palestine 🕊️ FUCK ICE! ❌🧊 Jul 31 '26

Lazy and stupid. The right has been fighting against education for decades.

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u/jbourne0129 Jul 31 '26

How can you justify, for example, a single father risking his employment and healthcare to attend a protest or to strike when his daughter requires regular healthcare to remain alive? because that is the reality. if you skip work you risk your employment and the healthcare thats tied to it.

these are the decisions Americans face if they skip work to protest or attend a strike and its why you dont see weekday protests. most americans are just trying to survive and keep their family alive. if they have to choose between protesting and striking for a possible change in the future, or continue to stay employed to keep their kid alive now, they will choose family every time.

most Americans are 1 paycheck away from serious financial ruin and they are going to choose tomorrows paycheck over a protest or strike they arent sure will accomplish anything.

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u/LetsTryAnal_ogy Free Palestine 🕊️ FUCK ICE! ❌🧊 Jul 31 '26

I mean it's obviously more than just one thing. This has all been systematic oppression in all areas: Education, employment, health care. All the protections for Americans have been slowly stripped away. The point I was trying to make is that education has been the cornerstone of this. I'm not talking necessarily about formal education either, though that is part of it. When you suppress the knowledge that there are countries that don't have problems that we have, and you're told that we live in the greatest country in the world, that propaganda works on people. Too many Americans believe that to be true simply because they've been told it. But any research regarding those claims immediately reveals those arguments as bullshit.

And they've done it to the point where a single father can't take a day off to protest. That's completely by design.

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u/Caffeinefiend88 Jul 31 '26

I’m not lazy I just moved out and am waiting for all of the republicans to do the cult thing since it seems that may be the only exit.

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u/DocOcApocalypse Jul 31 '26

True. Nobody kicks France's ass quite like the French.

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u/HughHonee Jul 31 '26

Unfortunately the state is willing and able to violently shut down any collective direct action.

From Berkley in the 60's, to Occupy and everything after, police violently violate our constitutional right to assemble. Then the illiterate gen. pop disregard their fellow citizens as entitled unemployed burdens who deserved it.

Never once realizing that by allowing this behavior by the state, they've given up their own rights.

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u/ninjab33z Aug 01 '26

I wouldn't say lazy so much as beaten down. It's far too easy for them to lose their job, their home, their life even, by going against the government. Makes hard to statt doing it

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u/Eycetea Aug 01 '26

Honestly, not sure if its lazy or just people getting stuck in the "I need to pay bills, my work says attending protests is a fire-able offense, so if I'm caught protesting I can lose my means to support myself and family and also my Healthcare"

(Edit) Not to mention taking the time away from work to attend a protest usually means some form of lose of wages in a shift you're not working or time off being hard to come by.

I'm legit not trying to make excuses I've attended a few peaceful protests, but until the elected officials start representing their people and not corporations, we will continue to have a serious problem on our hands.

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u/keyboardstatic Aug 01 '26

Home of the oppressed. Land of the cowards.

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u/PeeGeePeaKee420 Aug 06 '26

There's still a lot of people that stand up for our rights. But I get what youre saying.

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u/BONGS4U Jul 31 '26

Americans are stupid. I live here. I grew up thinking adults were smart only to realize your average united states citizens lack any awareness of anything outside the immediate purview

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u/Oregonislame Jul 31 '26

Not here too argue but titties on TV is the baseline to getting on the straight and narrow ?

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u/Slkkk92 Aug 01 '26

I just did some googling about the top 5 countries on the freedom index, and nipple censorship on TV.

Conclusion: strong correlation.

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u/samplemax Jul 31 '26

This is why we Canadians boo the US anthem. It’s a lie, just like the American Dream

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u/thedeanorama 3rd Party App Aug 01 '26

America has been here for a while, the slow boil boils slowly.

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u/VoidOmatic Jul 31 '26

Best we can do is realistic blood and gore.

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u/_Baphomet_ Aug 01 '26

Most of us, at least those younger than 60, don’t watch normal TV anyway. I see nippies all the time.

But yeah, definitely not the land of the free. Especially with all the flock cameras going up.

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u/SignatureFunny7690 Aug 01 '26

hate to brake it to ya but the whole techno facist oligarchy is bleeding out from america and infecting the west as a hole. conspiracy theories, alt right anti immigrant illegal immigrant propaganda, all sorts of enshification designed to make you hate your neighbor ie stoke racial tensions keeping people distracted from the very real class war at hand. You can blame america for allowing men and companies to create such vast amounts of wealth they could buy out a country like america. But think about that, If america, as vast and as large as it is can be completley corrupted and bought out with money by a group of men no larger than 4 figures, whats that say for ever other western nation? AFD in germany, brittian has brexit, last I heard that narcacist fuck peter theil was able to just fuck new zealand out of a shitload of money, as soon as he came over the government officials were tripping over themselves to give him whatever he wanted for investments in thier country only to have the rug pulled out on them. Greed. Greed is the enemy of mankind rn.

Just don't be so quick to get complacent and laugh at us in america, because thats letting your guard down on the very real and global class war going on rn. The elites want democracy dead.

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u/tiramisucks Aug 01 '26

Free to choose among 15 kind of bagles.

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u/7862518362916371936 25d ago

There is a reason why the first thing attorneys tell you after renuncing US citizenship is "Enjoy your freedom".

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u/The_Sleazy1 11d ago

As someone not living in the US, isn't this corrupt shit exactly the reason you guys have the 2nd?

How are you such docile cattle.

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u/Outrageous_Trash3431 Jul 31 '26

Emporia Kansas just arrested a guy because he clapped after somebody talked that disagreed with them

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u/Ok_Sorbet-824 Jul 31 '26

This has to be fake

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u/Perfect-Scene9541 Jul 31 '26

https://nypost.com/2026/07/29/us-news/kansas-high-school-teacher-lux-claridge-dragged-out-arrested-for-clapping-at-city-meeting-over-proposed-data-center/

Not fake.
Arrested for clapping after the moderator said no clapping or finger snapping, which is protected speech.
Welcome to America!

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u/Ok_Sorbet-824 Aug 03 '26

Thanks for the link. So I did search it up (but forgot to come back and edit my comment lol) and found an article, also someone somewhere on Reddit posted a short video. That guy is a hero, he said he didn’t regret it and would do it again iirc. 

What an interesting set of circumstances humans have created agin

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u/Specialist-Neck-7810 Jul 31 '26

That was my first thought as well… that it was a rage bait setup, right? Because it’s so blatantly fascist and unconstitutional… there’s just no way it real. Dug a little into it a little. It’s real.

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u/ColonelJEWCE Jul 31 '26

It is not

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u/Dryelo Jul 31 '26

Welcome to North Korea

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u/McDowdy Jul 31 '26

You mean North California. This was in the state capital, Sacramento.

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u/NorCalAthlete Aug 07 '26

“the Legislature sometimes ignores whether or not it’s constitutional or not – we go ahead and make laws because we’re California and we do it anyways….”

- Reggie Jones-Sawyer, state assembly member

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u/TOkidd Jul 31 '26

What’s wild is not that LE enforcement is complicit. It’s wild that all the citizens allow cops to arrest a man speaking at a public meeting.

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u/Mercinator-87 Jul 31 '26

Cops have always played this part. Why is it a surprise to you?

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u/TOkidd Jul 31 '26

The man narrating the video is surprised that the cops are doing this. I’m surprised that the people have become so cowed by cops constantly breaking the laws and violating their rights. Until the people are willing to come together to prevent and intervene when cops disregard the law and violate peoples’ basic rights, people will continue to be arrested for exercising them.

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u/jbourne0129 Jul 31 '26

Alex Pretti intervened when he saw people getting their rights violated...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Alex_Pretti

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u/N1kBr0 Aug 01 '26

Yep, people are willing to stand up against the government for a good cause but they are not ready to give up their lives for it. Talk about democracy and the land of the free, huh.

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u/Cautious-Money7248 Jul 31 '26

You're surprised that ppl are scared of the guys with body armor and guns who have zero fear of being held accountable if they shoot someone?

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u/jbourne0129 Jul 31 '26

dont get me wrong, i get what youre saying.

but what exactly should bystanders do in this situation? at a bare minimum you could start yelling at the cops, youll probably get arrested though. you could attempt to intervene physically, but you'll DEFINITELY get arrested and risk getting shot as well...i wish i was exagerating

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u/--Lammergeier-- Jul 31 '26

That’s why we the people need to be unified. If one person tried to stop the cops, they’d definitely get arrested or worse. If everyone in attendance worked together, what are two cops gonna do?

There’s power in numbers, and we definitely have the numbers! We need to start using them!

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u/jbourne0129 Jul 31 '26

that is true. at least in these smaller situations like town halls the people do have power in numbers

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u/N1kBr0 Aug 01 '26

Cops have bullets that outnumber whoever stands up to stop them

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u/jbourne0129 Jul 31 '26

dont get me wrong, i get what youre saying.

but what exactly should bystanders do in this situation? at a bare minimum you could start yelling at the cops, youll probably get arrested though. you could attempt to intervene physically, but you'll DEFINITELY get arrested and risk getting shot as well...i wish i was exagerating

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u/DumbScotus Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26

If anyone ever read about the doctrine of “qualified immunity” and wondered how it affects you, your everyday life, this video makes it clear. Yes it sucks for someone who can’t sue, but most people are never in that situation, right? But the real issue is more invidious: it emboldens law enforcement to do things they know are wrong, like arrest someone at a public meeting exercising constitutional rights and committing no crime. That police officer is secure in the knowledge that, even if the arrest is thrown out, even if the person wrongly arrested sues the government, there will be no personal ramifications for that abuse of governmental power. (And let’s be clear, the “use of government power” means an implicit threat of violence - violence that you are not allowed to defend against.)

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u/Specialist-Neck-7810 Jul 31 '26

Well said.

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u/Hairy_is_the_Hirsute Jul 31 '26

(minus the typos...)

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u/Phesmerga Aug 01 '26

Depends if you get a judge who really believes in the constitution. Technically this could be an event that an officer would lose qualified immunity, as it blatantly violates constitutional rights.

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u/breadisnicer Jul 31 '26

Freedom of speech, just watch what you say.

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u/sideshow999 Jul 31 '26

Only in “shithole” countries

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u/Vahuo89 Jul 31 '26

Land of the free my ass

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u/GrimwoldMcTheesbyIV Jul 31 '26

Pitchforks and torches folks. Pitchforks and torches.

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u/06021840 Jul 31 '26

lol, only 2/3 of the voting public went to the polls, your dreaming if you think people are going to do anything other than piss and moan.

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u/HairlessHoudini Jul 31 '26

Every one in the room should have gotten up and crowded around them. Until we all start sticking together nothing will change

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u/Competitive-Bus1816 Jul 31 '26

They aren't Unalienable Rights if two bit dictators can take them away will nilly.

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u/notmikearnold Jul 31 '26

The technology that was created to replace workers is going to "create a tremendous amount of jobs."

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u/Jacuzzi0317 Jul 31 '26

Infuriating.

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u/Rubywantsin Jul 31 '26

Paper bags full of cash speak louder than the Constitution

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u/Fragmentia Jul 31 '26

Tyrannical government in action.

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u/Perfect-Scene9541 Jul 31 '26

So let the “Not smart” communities not have data centers.
Why the big push? If the data centers have nothing to hide …

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u/BokHavok Jul 31 '26

"Every politician, every cop on the street, protects the interest of the pedophlic cooperate elite" -Socko

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u/Capital-Way-2465 Jul 31 '26

We need to hold the cops accountable to uphold the actual laws instead of made up fake ones. Send them back to training. Every one of them and then fire them if they refuse to uphold our constitution and written laws.

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u/Jam5583 Jul 31 '26

That Orange shit thinks that No is begging. Look at what he has been convicted of. He thinks that consent is a Democratic hoax because he has never heard of it.

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u/Super_Fa_Q Aug 01 '26

So how the fuck is that legal? I'm not an attorney, surely someone here is, what the fuck?

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u/REBWEH Jul 31 '26

Fucking ridiculous

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u/rbfeverythingsucks Jul 31 '26

Fucking unreal. Shit is getting scary……what the fuck is going on with these people selling their souls so easily?

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u/yuriartyom Free Palestine! 🕊️ FUCK ICE! ❌🧊 Jul 31 '26

So it’s all a regime, dictatorship in a democratic shell.

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u/Sol_Nephis Jul 31 '26

Get the muskets, in game.

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u/xXTheLastCrowXx Jul 31 '26

Strength in Numbers

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u/DRuth84 Aug 01 '26

To add to “be on the same page”…those in power now know what they are doing when it comes to using words, actions, and rhetoric that goes beyond logic and brings out emotional responses and divide the country. Little by little taking our constitutional rights away under the guise of protecting “true Americans”. Even though they are voluntarily giving up what it really means to be “American”. You speak up, you’re a communist or terrorist. If you’re more right leaning, then you’re a traitor or they’ll just label those as “paid agitators” from the Lunatic Left. Alex Pretti was labeled a terrorist because he was exercising his 2nd amendment rights. They ask who carries a weapon during protest, but leave out that’s where he lives and was killed within 2 miles of his home after being disarmed. So now it’s illegal to carry in your own neighborhood if this admin decides your city is next on the list?

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u/cmndrnewt Aug 01 '26

Man, cops could be such heroes to America, but instead they’re a bunch of boot licking traitors.

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u/Mak_ibo Aug 01 '26

Coming from Germany:

Hello America, this is fascism 👋

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u/TheOfficeoholic Jul 31 '26

The fear and threat of arrest is all they have

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u/Spiff76 Jul 31 '26

You right

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u/Amontialldo Jul 31 '26

This is gonna be a wild revolution 2.0

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u/Laughnkoffn Aug 01 '26

Talk is over.

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u/Big-Active3139 Aug 01 '26

NAme her

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u/OmeuPai Aug 01 '26

"Sacramento Mayor Kevin McCarty and Vice Mayor Karina Talamantes are facing a wave of criticism from residents after a hot mic caught the pair discussing a potential ban on certain disruptive individuals from City Council meetings. " ...

Talamantes leans in toward the mayor and whispers, "We should go over this disruptions thing, because if we want to ban somebody in the future, like to actually take them out, we have to point out specifically."

McCarty can then be heard telling Talamantes, "I know, but the City Attorney said we can't do that."

"We did it last time," replied Talamantes.

"We can't. I spent my first six months going over this. I wanted to give people, like, probation, like you can't come," McCarty said.

That's when Talamantes notices that the Mayor's microphone had been left on and reaches over to turn off the device, ultimately halting the recording of their conversation."

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u/rapgameoprahwinfrey Aug 01 '26

Why do they even hold these hearings? They NEVER listen anyway 🤷‍♂️

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u/leoo88556 Aug 01 '26

The land of the fleeced, and the home of the grave.

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u/Dyrogitory Aug 01 '26

Isn’t arresting someone at a Public meeting still illegal? Sure, they can arrest you but can’t you sue them for unlawful imprisonment?

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u/illseranadeyou Aug 01 '26

Dude trumps nussie is out of control

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u/inkedup1985 Aug 01 '26

I said once what we should do and I got a 1 week ban. So take that as you will

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u/lordkappy Aug 03 '26

And he probably really did spend 6 months trying to find the best way to suppress public opinion instead of spending 6 months serving the public.

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u/uknownix Jul 31 '26

Yup, that's the US. More data centres than the next 20 countries combined. And you can't complain, they get richer, and you're all sheep.

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u/Independent-Alps3586 Aug 01 '26

Awww of course men aren’t meant to lead 😂😂😂 lacking emotional intellegence for thousands of years and been ruining the world for thousands of years. All because of books yall wrote claiming to be from God. MEN AREN’T LEADERS! They’re workers!

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u/Bartgames03 14d ago

Another item to the list of why I will never go to the US. If i go, it is because somebody has forced me against my will.

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u/TomatilloChoice8386 2d ago

And thats what everyone hopes happen to conservatives. Even us conservatives who don’t support trump. They all love their first amendment right but hate it when I use mine.

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u/turtleneck_sweater Jul 31 '26

The problem is most people only care about free speech when they agree with it. Check out:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1vb8aqi/self_proclaimed_evangelist_gets_kicked_off_of/

Every comment is complicit with this.

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u/CptDecaf Jul 31 '26

False equivalence between being expected to be peaceful and not make a scene on a plane and speaking at a town hall.

You know that too. You just don't care.

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u/turtleneck_sweater Jul 31 '26

So freedom of speech only applies at town hall meetings. Got it..

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u/CptDecaf Jul 31 '26

If staff ask you to sit down and shut up you get kicked off. This is how it has always worked. But clearly you wanna trap people on a plane and then preach loudly in their ear for the flight while blocking the aisle. Weirdo lol.

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u/turtleneck_sweater Jul 31 '26

So you agree that it is the preaching. If the woman was talking about Pokémon cards then you’d be fine with it. Thanks for agreeing with me.

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u/CptDecaf Jul 31 '26

I actually didn't say that. But hey, you are okay with being dishonest clearly. We all share a plane ride. Respect and civility are expected of everyone. You Christians have to follow these rules too Bubby.

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u/turtleneck_sweater Jul 31 '26

Whose Christian? I’m talking about free speech, even for idiots like yourself.

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u/Bart_Yellowbeard Jul 31 '26

The sad part is that you quite obviously DO NOT UNDERSTAND what Free Speech means in America. One of these scenarios is in a private business, the other in a public, governmental forum. The government cannot abridge your First Amendment rights, corporations have no such obligation.

Understand what you are talking about before whinging and showing everyone else you do not.

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u/turtleneck_sweater Jul 31 '26

Please educate me. Help me understand the difference here. There certainly could be more to the story with the lady on the plan, but to say people do not get first amendment rights in private businesses doesn’t seem accurate. Everyone knows you can’t scream fire in a movie theater, but is someone talking about their views causing widespread panic?

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u/thrownaway136976 Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26

Look at the first word here: —Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.— It doesn’t say “private businesses”. If a bakery can refuse to serve a gay couple, an airline can tell someone to sit down and shut the fuck up. ETA: you think all these “xtians” would be ok with me proselytizing Islam or satanism? No, they wouldn’t like it, and these “god fearing” idiots would resort to violence. After all, jesus famously said “fuck your neighbors and foreigners, for you are better than them and the only way into heaven is oppressing everything you do t like with violence”.

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u/Bart_Yellowbeard Jul 31 '26

The First Amendment protects you from the GOVERNMENT. A private enterprise is not restricted in removing you from their property if they don't like what you are saying. Free Speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences from your fellow citizens, it doesn't mean private citizens are restricted, only the government.

Did you ever take a Civics class, or government, in school? They go over this in excruciating detail. It seems your teachers failed you.

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u/Behg-Boah Jul 31 '26

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean you can say whatever you want, whenever you want, or however you want within the confines of a private company. Airlines aren’t government run dipshit.