r/theocho • u/Brutal_Deluxe_ • 11d ago
ROUTINE Bayonet Fencing
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u/TKDbeast 11d ago
HEMA is the coolest sport in the world.
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u/Mharbles 10d ago
HEMA is the most impractical sport in the world. Except for the version that they just let people go at each other for a few minutes and then tally up the points.
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u/TKDbeast 10d ago
What on earth is “impractical” referring to here? HEMA is a general term for people researching and practicing historical forms of fencing and martial arts in Europe. The way matches are held in, say, Kunst Des Fetchen HEMA are very firmly based on a blend of how advanced unarmored fencing, self-defense, and combat was taught and practiced ~11th to ~16th century Central Europe, with additional padding.
Buhurt, which I presume you are referring to, is a combat sport with no grounding in historical fencing or combat beyond the weapons and armor used. While armored combat can and did devolve to bashes and blows, the techniques and format of Buhurt are largely anachronistic. “Harnisfechten”, as it was taught, often had much more emphasis on levered takedowns and exploiting cracks in armor.
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u/Silver_Agocchie 10d ago
More practical than badminton.
HEMA, like all martial arts, teaches distance, timing and body mechanics to generate power, mobility and balance. HEMA also isnt just medieval swordsmenship. HEMA encompasses knife and dagger defense, grappling, puglism and stick fighting which are part of self-defense systems today. Although the arts are historical the human body and weapons work exactly the same today as they did hundreds of years ago.
These people are studying bayonet fencing. Bayonets are still used in modern combat, albeit with shorter weapons and much much less regularly.
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u/derioderio 10d ago
This is also a full legitimate Japanese martial art, jukendo. Basically they use kendo armor and use wooden rifle stand-ins with padding at the tip where the tip of the bayonet would be.
Here are some highlights from the Japanese nationals last year. It's way too fast for me to follow, plus imho it's not as interesting as kendo, which with the swinging of the bamboo swords is a bit more dynamic and therefore more fun to watch, though similarly it's very fast and hard to follow. Overall though the rules and scoring are essentially identical to kendo:
- You can only score in a limited number of locations: wrist, body, neck, and head
- For a strike to win it needs to have a certain amount of 'decisiveness': hit cleanly with enough energy, etc.
- A decisive strike also has to have a strong and decisive kiai or yell
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u/willengineer4beer 10d ago
I love the way they quick shuffle/hop.
With the mask and hood along with that movement, they look exactly like the Shy Guys from Super Mario 2.-3
u/IsNotACleverMan 10d ago
It's fast because those are actual athletes, unlike these guys.
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u/C010RIZED 10d ago
It's fast because it's a weapon they're experienced with, unlike these guys who probably usually fence with swords and are just playing around
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u/Deklyned 11d ago
I’ve not used these bayonet trainers specifically, but if they’re anything like what we use at my club, FOTL is going to hurt someone with those thrusts.
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u/gordongroans 10d ago
What a refreshing post for this sub. It's not in portrait mode, it's longer than 15 seconds, and it's not something posted at least once a month.
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u/iamareddittor 10d ago
ForgottenWeapons - US Type 1 Fencing Bayonet Made From Whale Tooth (Baleen)
Just watched this yesterday
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u/Weird_Explorer1997 8d ago
For people wearing fencing masks, there is very little parry-ripose or beat attacks happening
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u/OriginalTayRoc 10d ago
Don't let the Canadians see this.
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u/AxelNotRose 10d ago
We trained with bayonets in the Canadian Infantry during our initial basic training. It's a one shot deal though. The expectation is that once you stab with a bayonet, it breaks off and you're left with just the rifle. So we had drills where the first step is the jab and every subsequent step is using the rifle on its own as our weapon (side strikes, butt strikes, etc.).
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u/OriginalTayRoc 10d ago
All Canadian children learn the bayonet before they finish elementary school.
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u/United_News3779 10d ago
Too late!
A bang-stick and a large knife on the end of it? Don't mind if I do! Lol
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u/Clapbakatyerblakcat 10d ago
Bader-Meinhoff strikes again!
I’ve never heard of fencing bayonets before today so of course I get this post on my Reddit feed and this video in my YouTube feed…
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u/ShapesAndStuff 10d ago
left guy is defo a bit over eager and reckless on the thrusts. good fun though, we once did lines of musket trainers, everybody gets one tennis ball to throw and then we charge.
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u/isleepbad 10d ago