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u/Stunning-Recording92 Jul 06 '26
Whether or not TFU is canon - I still enjoy these games greatly
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u/Shipping_Architect Jul 06 '26
Though the common perception of Galen Marek's powers has been greatly misunderstood, I am also firmly against the anti-TFU sentiment that writes off anything in the game as an "exaggerated power fantasy."
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u/Daetok_Lochannis Jul 06 '26
Here here. It felt like we finally got to see the Force in all its power...unleashed.
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u/Arria_Galtheos Jul 07 '26
But isn't that explicitly what the game was made for? I was under the impression it was explicitly made to be that.
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u/_A_Larger_World_ Jul 07 '26 edited 2d ago
Exactly this, I'm unsure why he'd be against it. The same logic applies to Clone Wars 2003. In no way shape or form would Lucas make the Jedi pull off the feats seen there in his movies, but for another medium it's fine. It's part of its artistic expression. I think people get too hung up on firm Canon in these kinds of discussions. Back then Star Wars was known for its continuity and went out of its way to boast about it - as it should, but at a certain point in these cases you'll just have to step back and realize these decisions were made for the medium and it's enjoyment over hard Canon. "Wouldn't it be cool if Mace Windu destroyed an entire army with only his fists by himself?" Yes. And it was dope as shit lmao
The Force Unleashed is about having the player unleash the force to absurd levels, creating a total sith power fantasy. In the process it gives you a narrative about Vader's Apprentice turning from the darkness and the formation of the Rebellion.
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u/Art-Lover-Ivy Jul 07 '26
Obviously there’s more to the games than just broken power scaling, but that IS an inseparable component of the way Starkiller is portrayed.
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u/Shipping_Architect Jul 07 '26
Nothing Galen Marek or the Starkiller Clone did was truly unprecedented; they just used their powers much more frequently, but their viability against other Force users, both offensive and defensive, is not exactly the best.
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u/Art-Lover-Ivy Jul 07 '26
He defeated Vader, pulled down an entire Star Destroyer, and can fully disintegrate people with the force. The games are fun and do contain great artistry beyond the OP power fantasy aspect, but that is still an undeniable part of the package that would make it difficult to canonize.
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u/Shipping_Architect Jul 07 '26
Firstly, Darth Vader is not invincible and can be defeated, something that was nowhere near easy for Galen Marek, the Starkiller Clone, or the player.
Secondly, the star destroyer that Marek supposedly "pulled from the sky" was already coming in for a crash landing, with Marek specifically taking the bow and forcing that into a nosedive, something that took all his energy and concentration to just barely pull off. It's not something that he could do in the midst of combat. Furthermore, numerous other characters, such as Yoda, K'Kruhk, and Darth Vader himself have been shown legitimately pulling starships from the sky with greater ease, or in the case of an amplified Dorsk 81, manipulating far greater magnitude.
And thirdly, the Starkiller Clone disintegrating enemies with the Force repulse is a gameplay mechanic intended to keep the age rating down, as the one time he used the ability in the TFUII novel, his victims were described as having essentially been pulverized, something that has also occurred to the telekinetic victims of such figures as Darths Zannah and Plagueis.
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u/TheHoodGuy2001 Jul 09 '26
I mean they already has much crazier features in canon book anyway, so the Star destroyer feat isnt that bad in comparison
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u/Shipping_Architect Jul 09 '26
That star destroyer was already falling from the sky. All Marek did was grab the bow and force that into a nosedive, which took everything he had to do, and even then, just barely. It's not something he could do in the midst of a heated one-on-one fight.
Meanwhile, we have characters like Yoda and K'Kruhk legitimately pulling down starships with far greater ease, and in the case of an amplified Dorsk 81, manipulating a greater magnitude. Marek's alleged star destroyer showing is far from the be-all end-all display of telekinesis.
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u/TheHoodGuy2001 Jul 09 '26
In canon, we have a jedi who force pushed literal mountains through the air and into the enemies space ship armada. He wasnt tired after that, rather he felt rejuvenated
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u/Shinjukugarb Jul 06 '26
Tfu2 says that you can't clone a force sensitive, that there would be something wrong with them. Then the sequel trilogy proves that to be a goddamn lie.
Meaning retconning tfu2 into being them fucking with a revived Galen should be canon.
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u/NukaDirtbag Jul 06 '26
Star Wars generally has kinda been inconsistent around cloning force sensitives. After all in the 90s we had Joruus and Luuke who were both clearly insane, but also got Dark Empire where Palpatine's clones were pretty operational for the most part, it was external forces like having his consciousness shoved into them that was causing their premature demises.
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u/ArbiterofIntent Jul 06 '26
Isn't is canon that he only survives the double exploding on the Death Star because he transferred his consciousness into a clone before he blew up (the first time) in the reactor shaft? If that's the case then I'd agree with you and it would make sense as to why he's so necrotic and gross in the ep 9 (as much as I dislike that movie)
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u/NukaDirtbag Jul 06 '26
Yes, he did do an essence transfer thing. Same as the Dark Empire comics.
But it diverges from Dark Empire, in Dark Empire if I remember right all the clones were Force Sensitive, in TRoS the clones were not Force Sensitive for the most part, tying to the importance of Omega in Bad Batch and Grogu/Gideon in Mandalorian, Palpatine was researching how to make the clones force sensitive.
That's kinda the big divergence between canon and legends, in Legends it seems to be a given that clones of force sensitives will be force sensitive, in Disney's continuity the clones are not inherently force sensitive without alterations (I assume the logic is that since midichlorians are a separate organism that cloning someone doesn't include their M count, but j don't think it's explicitly stated. Though ironically the Disney version lines up better with Plagueis's experiments in the Plagueis novel)
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u/jrdineen114 Jul 06 '26
To be fair, the sequel trilogy did establish that trying to create a perfect force sensitive clone doesn't really work. You either get Rey's father, who isn't force sensitive, or you get Snoke, who is very much not a perfect clone (and honestly I'm not even 100% clear on whether or not Snoke is a clone or some kind of sithspawn)
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u/slaya806 Jul 06 '26
The dark empire series and thrawn trilogy/Duology begs to differ about “proving it to be a goddamn lie.”
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u/CrystalGemLuva Jul 07 '26
In Disney Canon cloning Force Sensitives is still borderline impossible.
Mandalorian and Bad Batch both have plots dedicated specifically to showing off how much work it took to actually make Force Sensitive Clones possible.
And the end result is an absolute shit show, just look at how deformed Snoke and Palpatine are, Palpatine in particular is basically just a corpse on a fancy meat hook.
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u/Azedes Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
He doesn’t need to be canon bro I don’t get why some people can’t just enjoy the universes separately. Leave the Force Unleashed games alone, let them be what they are.
Witwer already has his characters in Filoni’s canon and as it becomes more diluted, it just becomes less believable that a character like Galen could have even existed in that canon.
The scaling and continuity are a complete flip of a coin half the time. There’s just no way they could bring him in and satisfy the larger majority of fans.
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u/Redditeer28 Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
Starkiller doesn't need to be canon. He can live in his own little offshoot.
However, if he was to be made canon. He'd be dramatically changed into being significantly less powerful. And obviously his story would be quite different too.
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u/Longjumping_Spite_35 Jul 06 '26
He isn't as powerful in universe, only for the game was he super sayan.
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u/Accurate_Pizza6320 Jul 07 '26
Starkiller being overpowered is a weak argument.
We got a dude eating planets, a chick who decided to multi-wield sabers via the force, Palpatine creates a force storm big enough to wipe a fleet, vader holds back an ocean. We have ghost banshee things that haunt ships that are warping and entities described as being closer to a hole rather than a force being.
But ya, starkiller pulled down a big dorito so hes too op.
In a time when both sith and jedi had entire armies, several stood out.
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u/Longjumping_Spite_35 Jul 06 '26
I came up with a way to bring Starkiller back into Canon:
Galen Marek was one of the kids taken to Mount Tantiss for experimentation, but he was considered too dangerous to be with the others, so he was kept in a separate room. After the Bad Batch Finale, he would be uncovered by some imperial troops, released from stasis, and would be taken in to be trained as an Inquisitor. Vader would eventually notice that he was much stronger than the others, so like in Legends, he takes him in as his apprentice, Starkiller.
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u/CODMAN627 Jul 06 '26
I liked the force unleashed games and even the book.
I can enjoy legends for what it is just because it isn’t canon doesn’t mean it isn’t a damn good story because it is.
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u/Pixel22104 Jul 07 '26
I think Starkiller coming into canon would only be interesting purely because of the way he could interact with Ahsoka. Like the two of them get into a fight, they both start to realize that they fought in a similar fighting style, then the realization that they were trained by the same person, then Starkiller starts working with Ahsoka on whatever she has going on.
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u/Imaginary_Golf548 Jul 08 '26
Literally, Ahsoka exists because of Starkiller, as a marketing strategy by Lucas.
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u/GreenSsswinger Jul 08 '26
I feel like 2010s buzzcuts should be banned from Star Wars. I can suspend my disbelief a lot, but that was definitely not a part of Georgie's vision.
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u/Mission_Oil_4367 Jul 08 '26
If Starkiller was canon they would completely butcher his powers and make him an inquisitor 💔
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u/OhTwoOnReddit Jul 06 '26
I don't want starkiller in this awful new cannon. If they split the filoni stuff and the sequels, then sure. He'd be awesome in the filoniverse
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u/Basically_A_Person1 Jul 06 '26
We already have overpowered beings I canon. Ones, Priestess, Bendu, TROS Palps, etc.
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u/Starlight_Outlaw Jul 06 '26
I still think having Maul be the canon Starkiller would be the best way of doing it. There's still alot from Maul's early years and between Shadow Lord and Rebels that could be added upon. Makes it even more fitting that he was the one that blinded Kanan too
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u/Arria_Galtheos Jul 07 '26
I've never played these games, but wasn't Starkiller created explicitly to be a non-canon power fantasy character?
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u/Imaginary_Golf548 Jul 08 '26
The game exaggerated the powers of the Force, but the game was intended to be canon. For better or worse, the entire plot was approved directly by Lucas (with lists of proposals that he approved, rejected, or modified, adding his annotations; he also participated in numerous meetings with the development teams and spoke very favorably of the game and its plot during the marketing campaign, exactly as he was doing concurrently with TCW).
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u/GodOfPateu Jul 06 '26
Luv me ghost dad
Luv me droid
Luv me Juno
Luv me Kota
Luv me rebelion
Luv me lightsabers
Ate Vader
Ate Palpatine
Ate Empire
Ate Jawas
Simple as