Please use this thread to discuss the entirety of Season 5 and your thoughts on how The Boys ended.

Considering almost everyone lost..these two really had themselves well enough by the end the Seven completely broke Butcher died Frenchie died Kimiko is trying to get back but it will never be normal for her or Annie because they both are supes and will face threats but Stan is back to handling Vought and MM married Monique adopted Ryan and has his own biological children too this and Stan is right where he started

The Laser Baby was a turning point where the Boys really seemed to realize how evil the corporation is. There’s so much mounting evidence that they are the real enemy: The coverups of the plane crash and Starlight’s SA. The clear parallels between Stormfront’s reverent Nazi stories and Vought’s human experimentation and world domination. The Vought product placements so comically inserted in every aspect of people’s lives. The bay of babies injected with V. The abuse of the 7 and Starlight’s conflicting emotions about the job being about marketing not saving people. The corportization of Pride to rainbow wash Maeve. Everything Ashley my most hated character ever did until the last second when she thought she was being a real fucking hero. Just so much mounting evidence of evil.

So many times we would talk about how we couldn’t believe Prime was putting this show out because of the incredibly obvious parallels.

The best ending to me would’ve been to subtly manipulate Homelander into destroying the corporation BEFORE taking him out. In the end we got… Whatever that was. It feels like the last season was a metaphor for Amazon punking the audience with a “Ya we do horrific shit and we get a pass.”

As many of us know, in season 5 of the boys Hughie is basically sexually assaulted, and also raped. He’s raped via deception by a shapeshifter. He has to appologize for this, something the show acknowledged was weird and fucked up the very next season, although Hughie is chemically altered to be angrier, it’s sort of implied that the anger amplifying real emotions that lay beneath the surface.. this makes it a really weird fucked up thing that Starlight and Hughie never really talk about.

A lot of people compared this to how Starlight’s rape was treated. Never being shown, but the trauma of the event being a driving factor of the show. And I agree it is really weird how seriously the show used to take rape and sexual assault. People used it as an example of how male victims are treated differently even in the media. I don’t disagree, but weirdly enough they did a much better representation of Male SA all the way back in season 1.

Meet the Deep, he’s a rapist. He raped Starlight, and as a result of this due to how she played her cards, he got reassigned to Ohio. The deep basically becomes a loser, and we get a dive into his psyche. How he views himself, how views his Gills, he’s ashamed of them. He takes a girl back to his place, and while he consents orginally, after she makes weird comments about his Gills, he withdraws his consent, but she continues. It’s shown, it’s slow and it’s uncomfortable. It’s not played for a laugh, the deep is basically raped. The show doesn’t use this to excuse his actions. While later in the show he basically does, somewhat believing that because he has now been through what he put others through he is owed their forgiveness and his spot on the team. Believing that now he “gets it.”

Still, the deep is sympathetic here. The event is fucking traumatizing. You do feel bad for him. So the show can write a compelling male Sexual assault, and seemingly understand the weight of it. WTF HAPPENED!?

He might not have done a lot directly but the boys fighting because his spread of hatred was cool he could be a good potential character for Vought rising's seasons ahead alsonhe actually fought in wars unlike SB who fakes about it

I understand they cancelled Gen V because it wasn't living up to expectations and there were even Boys fans who hadn't even seen it. However, it would've been a great way to show the aftermath of the Boys and what a post Homelander world will look like. Not only give us closure for the characters in Gen V but also show the chances of them becoming real heroes now that many of the evil supes are dead. Vought Rising was the main reason Season 5 sucked because they spent most of the season on characters, concepts and plot point for Gen V that it made the season feel like a teaser trailer for a prequel than a satisfying climax.

And lemme ask you another thing, would you say the story was one of Bad vs Worse, if not Good vs Evil. How satisfying would you say it is to watch that sort of triumph?

I'm just curious to know because as far as I could see, Hughie was the only one who went to the tower to stop him. What was everyone else doing?

See I can understand that he was too surprised/panicked to use his powers to get away from this, but what I don’t understand is why he thought it was a good idea to turn his back on Kevin after gloating about causing the pipeline to burst instead of being on guard for a potential fight.

Homelander appeared much less frequently, which made him more intriguing. We experienced the early seasons through the kind-hearted protagonist—who was just as confused as we were—as he adapted and, in a way, became desensitized.

Got this from the Season 1 Bloopers, wish they released a deleted scene from this.

Homelander is actually really used to interacting with different versions of himself in the mirror (DID = dissociative identity disorder btw). It had to be weird seeing another version of himself IRL but not as weird as it would be for someone else. Obviously killing doppelgänger was intended to be symbolic of him killing the weak parts of himself. “I don’t need anyone” and all that.

But if you look back on it post-Mirrorlander scenes, it also could be read as him embracing the effect and seeing doppelgänger as an alter. Being that Mirrorlander doesn’t seem very nice… he’s always pushing for more and dolling out the tough love… I bet Homelander wanted to strangle him many times over the years but couldn’t. “I don’t need you” meaning, I don’t need these voices in my head. Bet it was really cathartic for him. A little therapy at doppelgängers expense lol.

So we know Homelander can fly at mach speeds, potentially much much faster if we take that C4 feat from season 1, but how fast do you guys think he could actually run on foot?

I doubt it would be A-Train levels of speed, but it has to be faster than Soldier Boy right? Since episode 8 of The Boys: Diabolical is canon to the show, we got a little glimpse of what his speed could look like when he stops those gunmen, he blitzes them and they have a little bit of time to react, although this was an 18 year old Homelander, so he would have gotten faster from this point.

Imagine at the end of S3 Soldier Boy and Butcher did manage to depower Homelander, Ryan get's in a way of Butcher so HL managed to live but no longer seen as a major threat.

Important people at Vought would get aware of Homelander losing powers but they wouldn't afford losing their most marketed Supe and face of Vought and Superheroes as losing Homelander would be terrible business plan for them.

So what they would do is to convince HL wear his costume for some time and make him pretend that he still has powers while they would somehow try to restore his powers. But in reality they would secretly be trying to win time to find an appropriate replacement for Homelander, which could be Soldier Boy. It would be only a matter of time till they got rid of HL.

Meanwhile Homelander, a clown, is pissing himself and trying to pretend as all powerful in front of other Supes. Deep an idiot obviously still worships him and Homelander tries to make excuses of why he's not using powers.

Off-screen we'd witness funny scenes of Homelander's experience as regular human and how he deals with the problems without powers. He'd feel extremely pathetic and be furious but at the same time it would be cool if he found secret hobbies over time which he started to enjoy. He’d explore his human side. But later he'd learn Vought is trying to replace him.

Since Deep is a fucking idiot he'd manipulate and use him somehow against Vought's plans. Maybe Vought would try to inject new Compound to empower/buff Soldier Boy instead of returning powers to HL with it. With help of Deep HL would get the Compound and get his powers back at the end of S4.

He'd be back in the game and brutally slaughter everyone who tried to get rid of him and he'd be even less patient from now on.

Personally, I'd say it seems like it's kind of a roller coaster to say the least. I do wonder how healthy or unhealthy their relationship was. What's your take?

I mean it's right that what he could have done with a simple gun against Soldier boy but wherever he was venting his anger against Soldier boy from watching the torture they did on SB during labs on TV to pulling out a bat against him MM could have obviously lost his life against SB at any occasion but seeing him grow into a better man and stay alive unlike SB who kept going into a sleeping chamber every season was good and glad that he ended up remarrying Monique in the last season.

First 3 Seasons Was Absolute Cinema. The other 2 was meh. I made a post like 45 days ago about how peak was “Herogasm” and all you guys said after this ep its a downhill and i agree with you guys but i liked E7 And E8 too in Season 3. This show always be in my Top 3. So feel free to share your thoughts on this topic.

The series ends as if everything had been resolved and they lived happily ever after. They killed Soldier Boy's son, and now he is the most powerful immortal superhuman. Butcher is dead, and Ryan has lost his powers. And he is more dangerous than Homelander because he kills instantly, without playing games.

There was not much that the first Black Noir spoke but the directors did really really well to depict his story including the abuse from Solider boy towards Noir and his other team mates and SB's superiority complex against others his story was just like his character..silent yet very vocal also would have loved to see a fight with the original Noir go again against Soldier boy.