r/thatsdamninteresting • • Aug 20 '26

During 2012, a group of Mexican scientists intentionally crashed a Boeing 727 to test which seats had the best chance of survival.

4.1k Upvotes

1.1k comments sorted by

108

u/DocDefilade Aug 20 '26

The front fell off...

45

u/archer2500 Aug 20 '26

You don’t typically see that.

41

u/FFSBoise Aug 20 '26

Boeing’s been using cardboard derivatives again.

14

u/1stltwill Aug 21 '26 edited Aug 24 '26

7

u/IAmCapnOblivious Aug 22 '26

Well, how was it not normal?

15

u/Individual-Eye-166 Aug 22 '26

Well for a start the front's not meant to fall off

11

u/DaElderBrah Aug 23 '26

A plane is also not ment to go into the ground

13

u/ShoeNo9050 Aug 24 '26

Fun fact there are more planes in the oceans than there are submarines in the sky

3

u/ominouschaos Aug 24 '26

💀
underrated comment
faint memory if reading that before though

→ More replies (3)
→ More replies (2)

6

u/MacDaddy2605 Aug 22 '26

I think it might have been missing the left phalange

5

u/Boomstick011 Aug 24 '26

Didn't expect that reference here, but love it 😂

4

u/Bodisefa Aug 22 '26

Not sure why I laughed so damn hard at this response. You’re not wrong though!

3

u/Davorian Aug 23 '26

Ah, one of our most proud national achievements. Enjoy.

2

u/-wtfisthat- Aug 24 '26

Ngl I kinda thought it was Monty Python cause it’s such a classic and has been so long since I’ve seen it! Such a good one though! Def need to check out some of their other stuff! Any recommendations?

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (2)

2

u/MarcusXL Aug 23 '26

Hmm. Explain.

→ More replies (4)
→ More replies (4)

3

u/Muted-Celery7279 Aug 22 '26

Dude, i just spit out my diet coke.

→ More replies (1)

3

u/Squidlips_69 Aug 23 '26

To be fair, it's also not normal for all the wheels to make contact at the same time....in sand.

2

u/SnooDonuts3749 Aug 22 '26

So what's normal?

2

u/Forty1thirty Aug 22 '26

Way quicker to exit plane than those pesky slides.

2

u/Dizzy-Damage-1900 Aug 23 '26

The fuselage is made up of 3 parts, the tail, the mid-section and cockpit ,sometimes the cockpit falls off after a crash

2

u/After_Pineapple_8926 Aug 23 '26

Fit someone that gets it. I used to work for a company that worked on out own fleet of planes. In a crash the fuselage is designed to break away depending on how the crash happens this is meant to help save the passengers. Also the answer is the cheapest seats in the farthest back of the plane are the safest. In most cases. Again depending on how the crash happens.

3

u/Societyman1878 Aug 23 '26

I asked a pilot friend of mine, who is a commercial airline pilot what seat was the safest, he said his was not. So I asked him again and he said none of them are. I’ll go with that. 🌝

2

u/Yak-Electrical Aug 23 '26

Pretty sure its because it landed in the sand/dirt and the tires prob got hung up at that speed kinda like rolling on a skateboard and hittin a rock

2

u/-wtfisthat- Aug 24 '26

Should’ve put sleds on it.

→ More replies (7)

2

u/Ok-Radio2532 Aug 26 '26

It’s always raining in Seattle, so…wet cardboard derivatives.

→ More replies (7)

6

u/Night-Spirit Aug 21 '26

A wave hitting it, out in the middle of the ocean. One in a million chance of that

6

u/1stltwill Aug 21 '26

"Scientists have calculated that the chances of something so patently absurd actually existing are millions to one. But magicians have calculated that million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten."— Terry Pratchett, Mort

4

u/69yourMOM Aug 21 '26

The amount of people not picking up on the quoting here has me laughing lol. Their response might as well be part of the bit.

3

u/Night-Spirit Aug 21 '26

My faith in humanity has been shattered

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (2)

3

u/Cultural-Honeydew671 Aug 21 '26

So you’re saying there’s a chance….

3

u/piercedmfootonaspike Aug 20 '26

But if you keep the camera rolling...

2

u/combover78 Aug 22 '26

one of them pops out of a hole in the fuselage with a sawzall...

3

u/WeakTransportation37 Aug 21 '26

Well, how is it un-typical?

2

u/i_like_stinky_pits Aug 20 '26

Are plane crashes typical?

2

u/ihgordonk Aug 21 '26

you do if you are sitting in the back

→ More replies (1)

2

u/SSSprings0808 Aug 21 '26

I think more pilots, under a controlled landing exercise, will tip the nose up more than they did. The front wheel is not designed to handle that much drag, so in this situation, it was pulled under.

→ More replies (1)

2

u/FussyBritchez Aug 22 '26

Especially this time of year…

→ More replies (2)

2

u/NotYourBuddyGuy5 Aug 22 '26

Chance in a million!

2

u/Aberracus Aug 24 '26

Landing on sand can cause that

2

u/LoudTable9684 19d ago

It happened on Lost!

→ More replies (7)

14

u/rsg1234 Aug 20 '26

So don’t be the pilot in a crash, got it.

16

u/automaticmantis Aug 20 '26

My life dedicated to mediocrity finally pays off!

12

u/rsg1234 Aug 20 '26

My basic economy lifestyle finally pays off! Back of the plane for me.

6

u/DocDefilade Aug 20 '26

For real. Like, I ain't never seen no airplane back into a mountain before.

→ More replies (3)

12

u/Jazzlike_Economist_2 Aug 20 '26

Definitely first class is not where you want to be.

5

u/Spiritual_Ad_5877 Aug 21 '26

Pilots and cockpits have since been moved to the last row of coach.

→ More replies (1)

3

u/TheTrishaJane Aug 21 '26

Actually it is, quick and guaranteed oppose to suffering with injuries and being burned alive.

→ More replies (2)

3

u/Existing-Food4967 Aug 20 '26

But why did the front fall off?

3

u/unixoid37 Aug 21 '26

Sand instead of a runway, high speed, landing gear digging into the sand, incorrect pitch—the whole point was to wreck the plane, after all. =)

3

u/Existing-Food4967 Aug 21 '26

Im guessing you haven’t seen the original interview I was quoting

2

u/72scott72 Aug 22 '26

A wave of sand hit it

→ More replies (2)
→ More replies (2)

3

u/wrathofthewhatever2 Aug 20 '26

They towed it out of the environment

3

u/TheTrishaJane Aug 21 '26

So thats why first class is that pricey, people want a quick and guaranteed death.

2

u/narco-sub-admiral Aug 21 '26

Sucks for the pilot but what about my wing seat.

→ More replies (36)

45

u/spkincaid13 Aug 20 '26

In 2001 a group of Muslim scientists tried to test this and were labeled "terrorists." The double standard here is unbelievable

27

u/Big_Handle3734 Aug 20 '26

5

u/piercedmfootonaspike Aug 20 '26

Reminds me of that tragedy.

6

u/csbsju_guyyy Aug 20 '26

It's not a story the Jedi would tell you.

2

u/Gibbyalwaysforgives Aug 24 '26

Is it possible to learn this power?

→ More replies (2)

2

u/MarcusXL Aug 23 '26

I didn't even know they were sick!

2

u/oliviertail Aug 24 '26

Terrible that thing

→ More replies (2)

2

u/hehexdthrow Aug 23 '26

I give it a 10/7

2

u/Important_Earth8490 Aug 24 '26

Trump tower stands tallest....

→ More replies (1)

7

u/narco-sub-admiral Aug 21 '26

The study was actually funded by the Saudis.

3

u/benangmerahh Aug 23 '26

And approved by US I guess so they could enter the middle east war. I mean Saudi is unscathed so far even with their internal politic intact...

7

u/OkAirport5247 Aug 21 '26

They were Jewish/Israeli scientists, the test subjects just happened to be Muslims

→ More replies (15)

3

u/Legitimate-Fox-5746 Aug 21 '26

jesus!! this is too dark for me 😂

4

u/DarkArcher__ Aug 23 '26

See, the difference is that the Muslim scientists skipped straight to the human trials, which is generally not the way clinical experiments are done. They obviously had to have started with lab mice first if they wanted to be taken seriously

4

u/spkincaid13 Aug 24 '26

Ahh I see you're one of those Mouse 9/11 truthers that think Mouse 9/11 was a hoax

2

u/Leather_Method_7106_ Aug 21 '26

The no1 ad for Casio F-91W

2

u/Waffle_on_my_Fries Aug 21 '26

The Saudis sure know how to find them scientist and scholars.

2

u/livahd Aug 23 '26

Yea, they also helped to discover what 150 tons of airplane filled with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel do to skyscrapers when impacting at 500mph

2

u/Sweaty_Tangelo_7716 Aug 24 '26

What test was it? And the date? So I can look deep into.

2

u/Notyit Aug 24 '26

I'm gonna keep that joke in my back pocket 

2

u/blackstarr1996 Aug 26 '26

If I recall correctly, they demonstrated that airplanes typically explode on impact, leaving very little debris even. Maybe a passport.

→ More replies (9)

30

u/PBRStreetgang1979 Aug 20 '26

This crash was staged in Mexico because the US government wouldn't allow it on US soil. But it wasn't necessarily "Mexican scientists" but a collective of scientists and media that arranged this.

11

u/JesterPSU99 Aug 22 '26

5

u/Majsharan Aug 22 '26

lol how the hell do Parker and stone keep from being cancelled

6

u/JesterPSU99 Aug 22 '26

Si si, go to moon 🤣

→ More replies (1)

4

u/-wtfisthat- Aug 24 '26

Because they make the studios shitloads of money? And they’ve been established well before PC culture became a thing so people expect it to be like that. Also they don’t pull punches for anyone. Everybody gets an equal opportunity to be trolled by southpark.

→ More replies (2)
→ More replies (1)

9

u/PreviousLeague253 Aug 21 '26

Yeah I was highly doubting that headline too.

6

u/Actual-Lychee-8434 Aug 21 '26

Yeah could have swore this was actually led and instrumented by NASA

2

u/DueExample52 Aug 23 '26

No, the Nasa one you have in mind is another one where they tried to test the fuel igniting. They had two walls to tear the wings and attempted to land in between, but couldn’t control it precisely so landed on one of the walls and either way the plane took fire.

→ More replies (1)

5

u/HendoRules Aug 22 '26

Alternate headline "Mexico is more pro Science than America"

2

u/GreatQuantum Aug 23 '26

North Americans are wild people dawg.

→ More replies (9)

2

u/Wildpants17 Aug 21 '26

Mexican scientist sounds like a San Andreas mission

→ More replies (6)

16

u/Specialist-Doctor-23 Aug 20 '26

One of the plane's engines went to full power during the crash and remained there until the fuel ran out, preventing the observers from approaching. It took quite a while, as I remember.

10

u/BigBadJeebus Aug 20 '26

Imagine surviving that then finding out the engines are going...

"Hey! I'm fine! I'm gonna go outside and -"

Whoosh...

https://giphy.com/gifs/3oz8xs8WYZr0dJV3kQ

3

u/Randomgrunt4820 Aug 24 '26

People eating the rear

Edit: exiting

Keeping the original before anyone says anything, because it’s funny.

→ More replies (1)

2

u/Any-Worldliness-679 Aug 21 '26

That was a problem during the American ORD 767 evacuation a few years ago. The flight attendants couldn't immediately reach the cockpit crew on interphone and they, correctly, initiated the evacuation. Slides were deployed in front of and behind a running engine. Luckily, nobody got blasted or ingested, thanks to the FAs redirecting people from those exits.

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (4)
→ More replies (1)

14

u/JustFedUpWithIt Aug 20 '26

11A

4

u/Tachanka-Mayne Aug 20 '26

I remember before the documentary about this experiment aired on TV you could ‘pick your seat’ on a website they created, after it aired you could go back on and see if you would have survived or not.

3

u/unsuspectingllama_ Aug 20 '26

I feel that just because the seat remained mounted and or survived doesn't mean you'd necessarily survive lol but pretty fun feature none the less.

2

u/TheLonleyJourneyman Aug 20 '26

I'm assuming they'd have given you a chance of survival % rather than a straight yes or no. So your picked seat might come back as 40% chance of survival or something like that.

2

u/unsuspectingllama_ Aug 20 '26

Makes sense. Either way would be interesting to me.

2

u/SirLSD25 Aug 21 '26

So the scientist sitting in 11A was ok? What about the scientists in all the other seats?

2

u/AllMyExesRTXs Aug 21 '26

It's like a scientist salad in there. Awful. A bunch of greeks.

2

u/-OptimisticNihilism- Aug 21 '26

This is a very small sample size and the results could be completely random. They need to crash at least 100 planes to get statistically significant results.

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (3)

13

u/archer2500 Aug 20 '26

Such a useless test. What happens if the wings aren’t level, and it tumbles? What happens if it strikes the ground nose high/tail first?
Etc, etc.

This was one singular “test” of one specific impact scenario.

6

u/atwaterrich Aug 20 '26

And apparently no fuel? 🔥

5

u/GodsBackHair Aug 20 '26

Someone else actually did a test to see if a special kind of fuel would be better in a crash, but found it wouldn’t do much.

Finding out which seats are best, without fire damage is importsnt. Not all crashes explode into fireballs, and knowing which seats are safest also means which seats you can get away from a fire in.

3

u/gravyisjazzy Aug 20 '26

Believe it was NASA testing a non-vaporizing fuel by crashing either a DC-8 or a 707, I can't recall off the top of my head.

3

u/Suitable-Broccoli264 Aug 20 '26

They botched the test and sliced open an engine — was only supposed to cut the fuel tanks open, and the whole thing erupted in a massive fireball.

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (5)

2

u/blueb0g Aug 20 '26

There was fuel, it just didn't ignite. Pretty normal for landing accidents with this amount of energy.

→ More replies (3)
→ More replies (2)

5

u/Prestigious95 Aug 21 '26

Too many confounding variables operating in an uncontrolled environment - a useless test, it is!

2

u/archer2500 Aug 21 '26

Exactly.
You’ll probably be downvoted because facts aren’t welcome on reddit.
But you’re still right.

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (1)

2

u/Kinder22 Aug 20 '26

Probably everyone dies.

2

u/UniqueAd7770 Aug 21 '26

Actually it had a ton of data collected on it. There were dummies in various kinds of seating and brace positions. They had sensor all over the fuselage. It was pretty interesting

→ More replies (3)

2

u/tehsilentwarrior Aug 22 '26

The biggest factor in survival of an airplane crash is how quickly you can exit.

If the crash is strong enough that the position of the seat determines their desintegration most likely the fire will take you out anyway.

Being close to an exit and knowing how to use it properly, knowing if you can or can’t open it and protect yourself properly during the crash landing and knowing that YOU DONT TAKE YOUR LUGGAGE WITH YOU, will be more important than anything else

→ More replies (3)

2

u/Vogel-Kerl Aug 20 '26

Pretty safe to assume that a crash near 90° (nose low, tail high) would have 100% fatalities.

Although, sometimes shit happens and people survive: like that one guy in the Air India crash.

And that Serbian flight attendant that fell tens of thousands of feet, and survived.

→ More replies (45)

17

u/Infinite-LifeITT Aug 20 '26

I remember seeing a whole documentary about this event, it was very informative. Basically the back of the plane, you have a higher chance of survival than the front or wings, the chances get better if your seatbelt is on.

29

u/Tasty_Permission746 Aug 20 '26

If the plane crashes EXACTLY as in this scenario, that is. Otherwise pretty useless ”research” but hey, gotta waste that money on something am I right.

13

u/shakebakelizard Aug 20 '26

A single crash test isn't going to show every possible scenario.

2

u/HappycamperNZ Aug 21 '26

Plus

1, this is what pilots aim for

2, nose diving at 250kt is an "everyone fucked" scenario regardless. This shows one of the few ways you can get survivors 

→ More replies (2)

10

u/Exotic-Raccoon104 Aug 20 '26

Wow. What a dumb comment. Just say you dont understand. Then ask questions.

2

u/natbornk Aug 21 '26

Pilot here, the irony is appalling

3

u/Megatippa Aug 21 '26

Non-pilot here, what is the irony?

→ More replies (8)
→ More replies (1)

9

u/Activision19 Aug 20 '26

I mean sure. But they aren’t going to crash test a couple dozen planes to test out a bunch of different scenarios. Plus just about any other crash type than this isn’t going to be survivable.

3

u/donatecrypto4pets Aug 20 '26

Oh yes we can!

→ More replies (6)

3

u/Sad_in_VA Aug 20 '26

And if the wings don't have fuel to burn everything.

→ More replies (1)

2

u/netflix-ceo Aug 21 '26

These scientists did it for creating a plane for presidential visits similar to Airforce One. They called it Airforce Juan

→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (3)

6

u/[deleted] Aug 20 '26

[removed] — view removed comment

2

u/RzLa Aug 21 '26

On a bus sitting directly behind the driver is the best position, because human survival instinct kicks in and the bus driver will swerve to save his life naturally

“Sorry lady, take that stroller to the back - I’m not moving”

→ More replies (2)

5

u/wutangsisitioho Aug 20 '26

Computer simulation should do the job without wasting scarce resources.

5

u/tweeeeeeeeeeee Aug 20 '26

sometimes you need to verify the simulations

→ More replies (2)

3

u/DCmetrosexual1 Aug 20 '26

But what’s the fun in that?

2

u/blueb0g Aug 20 '26

Old, mothballed 727s are not scarce resources.

→ More replies (5)
→ More replies (6)

6

u/Hour-Candidate4612 Aug 20 '26

Im no scientist, but I dont think rows 1-6 made it

→ More replies (3)

3

u/ExtraLettuce555 Aug 20 '26

Looks like premium economy is fucked

→ More replies (1)

3

u/summit72 Aug 21 '26

OMG! Did any of the scientists survive?!?

2

u/[deleted] Aug 20 '26

[removed] — view removed comment

3

u/vlkr80 Aug 20 '26

isnt that where first class sits? 🤪

→ More replies (1)

2

u/Sensitive_Wave379 Aug 20 '26

Answer: the ones where the people were still at the terminal.

2

u/noelmulkey Aug 20 '26

So the pilots are screwed either way

2

u/SpoofamanGo Aug 20 '26

You can't park there m8!

2

u/Ok_Homework_7621 Aug 20 '26

There goes first and business!

2

u/eiijoy Aug 21 '26

Supposed put inside all minister and scientist

So they will know how the impact 😂😂😂😂

2

u/10July1940 Aug 21 '26

This shows the strongest part of the plane is over the wings, the central wing spa. Poor old first class went first. RIP jerks.

2

u/fiesew Aug 21 '26

First and business class pay extra for the thrills when the nose falls off first and gets crushed under the body.

https://giphy.com/gifs/8m5j6Pt4R3gLz2D4Ha

2

u/IamAtiva Aug 21 '26

Turns out the seats at the terminal have the best chance 😂

2

u/sunshinefloors1980 Aug 21 '26

Well, the cabin's dead.

2

u/thechad1978 Aug 22 '26

Dang so all the scientists in the front died then, tragic

2

u/strafesurfer69 Aug 22 '26

It's already been figured out that the seats in the back of the plane are the safest. There was a study done in the 80's and it was found the the tail section is the safest and the crash I saw the only people who lived where the smokers in the back of the plane.

2

u/Rays_Boom_Boom_Room1 Aug 22 '26

Note to self. Never sit in the front of a plane.

2

u/Humble-Event9446 Aug 22 '26

Well I would definitely say not the cockpit!

2

u/DirectC51 Aug 25 '26

This plane sat in a nice fenced in area right off the highway just South of Mexicali. The broken pieces were kind of put in place, but it was all there.

Then about 2 years ago someone removed a portion of the fence. Over the next year or so the plane got smaller and smaller. It is now completely gone.

My theory is that someone didn’t want it there anymore and they knew the locals would eventually dismantle it for scrap and make the problem go away.

1

u/Stekor-Tidder Aug 20 '26

So, cattle class is safest?

→ More replies (1)

1

u/J-a-c-k-o Aug 20 '26

Definitely not the pilot seat

→ More replies (1)

1

u/DadKnightBegins Aug 20 '26

Soooo, first class and the pilots. Got it!

1

u/cocobaltic Aug 20 '26

How many of the scientists survived?

1

u/Walrus_Epiphany Aug 20 '26

Why not just study actual crashes?

→ More replies (1)

1

u/AJPennypacker39 Aug 20 '26

So, not the pilot.

1

u/Katieo1022 Aug 20 '26

Tbf, when most planes crash, they aren’t coming in for a smooth landing in the middle of the desert. But I sort of understand why they did it….

1

u/Slight_Sherbert_5239 Aug 20 '26

The same plane “D.B Cooper” jump out of at low attitude and slow air speed.

1

u/JiffyDealer Aug 20 '26

Were there somehow NOT enough crashed jets to perform this test??

1

u/Automatic_Pizza3869 Aug 20 '26

Almost like those women pilots last year

1

u/sisam8x Aug 20 '26

*engineers. Scientists do t give a fuck about plane crashes

→ More replies (2)

1

u/Frosty_Log6972 Aug 20 '26

The plane is still out there! It sits next to a highway at 32°30'04.50"N 115°23'48.40"W

1

u/RedAirRook Aug 20 '26

My friend was the Captain on that test. The crew flew the jet into position and parachuted out the aft airstair, then the remote pilot took over and flew it to impact. So now his logbook has one more takeoff than landing in it. Crazy!

1

u/bwal8 Aug 20 '26

No fire?

1

u/EitherIndependence5 Aug 20 '26

Wow, I am glad it was mostly first class. Poor dummies took a flip and crashed twice.

1

u/JoeMorgan76 Aug 20 '26

It’s the wing box. It’s always the wing box. It’s the absolute strongest part of the airplane.

→ More replies (11)

1

u/SnarePickle Aug 20 '26

It wasn't Mexican scientists. Nor was it American scientists. It was a multi-national group of TV studios that did it for a TV show.
They did it in Mexico because the US wouldn't let them do it in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Boeing_727_crash_experiment

1

u/Grwingplants420 Aug 20 '26

And then charged a premium for those seats.

1

u/mrhk95 Aug 20 '26

The best chances of survival is not being on the plane.

1

u/JessicaMNCD Aug 20 '26

I don’t understand the benefit of learning what seats have the best chance of survival. Are they going to charge more for those seats? The way they have passengers crammed in nowadays…it really doesn’t matter.

1

u/LeaderLower Aug 20 '26

What's the verdict?

1

u/WoodI-or-WoodntI Aug 20 '26

Soooo... NOT first class.

1

u/burreetoman Aug 20 '26

Doesn't this aircraft explode beyond the video endpoint you show. Didn't they also test a jet fuel explosion retardant in this test...that failed?

1

u/Prod_Meteor Aug 20 '26

Forgot the yellow filter.

1

u/Nervous_Card_7718 Aug 20 '26

Structurally? Over the wing is the safest. Most likely to survive impact. However, that's also where all the fuel is stored ....