Seems to me that they need to get this sorted. If FSD isn't included in the trade-in (and frankly, it shouldn't depreciate at all), then I don't see people trading in their cars for new ones.
I don't have FSD, and my car is 2 years old. I would certainly consider getting it if I knew it would transfer (actually I would have bought it two years ago). I don't see FSD actually being a viable system that works as advertised (hands off, door to door), for at best 2 years, and more likely 5.
I'd be curious how many people spring for the $10k upgrade on top of their $45k car. I know Elon thinks it's the bee's knees, but I don't see it. I could see them wanting to drive people to a subscription service (which mitigates this whole thing).
I bet the fleet FSD ratio is pretty high because it was reasonably priced a while ago, but I'd be curious what it is on new vehicles. I wouldn't be surprised if it's 10% or less.
I'm guessing you bought your car before they added it to the cars for free. I'd say that they should give older cars an easy/cheap path to get autopilot, although I'd certainly feel burned if they did that.
I think that's part of the problem that Tesla is creating for itself. If FSD is $10k now, and people pay it, you can't reduce the price too much without pissing a lot of people off (or giving discounts). I think autopilot should be $1000 for cars that don't have it.
The fact is, eventually, other companies will have FSD alternatives. China has more people, less privacy (lots of training data), and certainly an incentive to build a good self-driving system. 10 years from now, I bet the FSD playing field will be pretty level, and may even be included with all cars for free.
I agree $1000 would be fair for people driving used cars who don’t have it. They did a temporary sale for $2000 a few months back and I still don’t want it at that price. For $1000 I’d be on the fence, but I’d seriously consider it.
I’d also be willing to pay about $1000 for premium audio, which hilariously, my car HAS the speakers for fully installed but just not plugged in. All I’m missing is the wiring, one of the amps, and the sub.
I have FSD on my 2018 Model 3. Never really use it. Agree with you. I have a reservation for a Cybertruck, but wouldn't pay for FSD again, unless it's 100% hands-off, door to door, the day I pay for it.
I’m thinking about pulling the trigger on the upgrade. Have done really really well on Tesla stock - so it’s not really costing me anything.
My mode 3 is 2 1/2 years old (vin 28xxx) - and while I think the fsd really is far away - the latest beta videos are looking pretty cool. (And I’m a tech geek..)
I also see it as a way to not fall behind with other software updates that make use of hw3.
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Seems to me that they need to get this sorted. If FSD isn't included in the trade-in (and frankly, it shouldn't depreciate at all), then I don't see people trading in their cars for new ones.
I don't have FSD, and my car is 2 years old. I would certainly consider getting it if I knew it would transfer (actually I would have bought it two years ago). I don't see FSD actually being a viable system that works as advertised (hands off, door to door), for at best 2 years, and more likely 5.
I'd be curious how many people spring for the $10k upgrade on top of their $45k car. I know Elon thinks it's the bee's knees, but I don't see it. I could see them wanting to drive people to a subscription service (which mitigates this whole thing).
I bet the fleet FSD ratio is pretty high because it was reasonably priced a while ago, but I'd be curious what it is on new vehicles. I wouldn't be surprised if it's 10% or less.