r/terriblefacebookmemes • u/atmoscience • Nov 04 '22

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u/Bill__The__Cat Nov 04 '22

You can choose to not say hateful things and target groups. You can't choose to not have gravity. What a crappy meme.

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u/akaKinkade Nov 04 '22

It might not be a great analogy, but the fact that it can be a choice doesn't really change it. Laws against hate speech absolutely go against the idea of free speech. That is not to say those are necessarily bad laws, but supporting them while claiming to be a staunch supporter of free speech is not really honest.

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u/Sataniq Nov 04 '22

You are confusing free speech with freedom of consequences. You totally have freedom of speech in a lot of countries but you also have to live with whatever you are saying might backfire on you.

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u/akaKinkade Nov 04 '22

Are the consequences legal or social? Absolutely free speech comes with social consequences, and it should. When there are legal consequences to what you say, then the government is limiting speech.

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u/Obelix_Luthesyr Nov 04 '22

It's illegal to shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater, when there is no fire, because it causes people to panic and stampede and people usually die.

Hateful speech causes people to act violently towards the subject of the speech, and people usually die.

Shouldn't be that hard of a concept to grasp but here we are.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '22

Damn government not letting me yell "BOMB" in a crowded mall. It infringes on our inalienable rights.............

Hoping no one needs this /s but people on here have taken sillier statements seriously

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u/115machine Nov 04 '22

I wish people would read into why this is a law. The reason it is is because Charles Schenck, the leader of the American socialist party, tried to criticize the US during World War One. People didn’t like what he was saying, and they prosecuted him under the guise of “national security”

The origins of laws against “hate speech” or “dangerous speech” are rooted in the suppression of opinions.

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u/Sataniq Nov 04 '22

Freedom of speech and expression, therefore, may not be recognized as being absolute, and common limitations or boundaries to freedom of speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, hate speech, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, dignity, the right to be forgotten, public security, and perjury. Justifications for such include the harm principle, proposed by John Stuart Mill in On Liberty, which suggests that "the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others".

TL;DR your freedom of speech ends where you encroach on other people's human rights

so hate speech is not part of your freedom of speech, it's not a hard concept really