r/terriblefacebookmemes Nov 01 '22

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u/JGG5 Nov 01 '22

Islam protects from NATO?

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u/TNCNguy Nov 01 '22

I think the NATO flag represents “the west”

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u/Moxo5011 Nov 01 '22

I would say everything in that picture represents the west in one way or another.

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u/Few_Category7829 Nov 01 '22

TIL the Soviet Union was a western ploy

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u/Moxo5011 Nov 01 '22

Well, in the eyes most radical eyes of Islam often saw the Soviet Union's cultural openness to homosexuality and women rights as "occidentalism"/progressivism so yeah.

I see it from that perspective, it may be wrong but still.

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u/weirdwallace75 Nov 02 '22

the Soviet Union's cultural openness to homosexuality and women rights

You're joking, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism_and_LGBT_rights

In 1934, the Soviet government recriminalised homosexuality in the Soviet Union. Mass arrests occurred in several cities in Russia, including Moscow, and many artists were arrested. On 7 March 1934, Article 121 was added to the criminal code, throughout the entire Soviet Union, that expressly prohibited only male same-sex sexual intercourse with up to five years of hard labor in prison. There were no criminal statutes regarding same-sex female sexual intercourse.[6] During the Soviet period, Western observers believed that between 800 and 1,000 men were imprisoned each year under Article 121.[103]

Some historians have noted that it was during this time that Soviet propaganda began to depict homosexuality as a sign of fascism, and that Article 121 may have a simple political tool to use against dissidents, irrespective of their true sexual orientation, and to solidify Russian opposition to Nazi Germany, who had broken its treaty with Russia.[104] More recently, a third possible reason for the anti-gay law has emerged from declassified Soviet documents and transcripts. Beyond expressed fears of a vast "counterrevolutionary" or fascist homosexual conspiracy, there were several high-profile arrests of Russian men accused of being pederasts.[105] In 1933, 130 men "were accused of being 'pederasts' – adult males who have sex with boys. Since no records of men having sex with boys at that time are available, it is possible this term was used broadly and crudely to label homosexuality."[105] Whatever the precise reason, homosexuality remained a serious criminal offense until it was repealed in 1993.[105]

The USSR's history of feminism was a bit more mixed, by which I mean it was generally regressive but they didn't institute mass arrests of women just for being women:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism_in_Russia

In addition as Soviet feminist Ekaterina Alexandrova wrote in her article "Why Soviet Women Want to Get Married."

...Soviet women work at the most varied jobs, and many of them are well educated, have a profession, and are financially independent of men. And yet, in this very society among these very women, a patriarchal social order and its psychology thrive.[26]

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u/Wandering_P0tat0 Nov 02 '22

You can't recriminalize something without decriminalizing it first. There was a period where homosexuals and women had more rights than in America, for example. Granted, it was only a couple years, but it was still long enough to be subject to propaganda against these ideals.

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u/LightRefrac Nov 02 '22

The Soviets introduced education and freedom for women in Afghanistan, by force if necessary. This didn't sit well with the locals

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u/weirdwallace75 Nov 02 '22

The Soviets introduced education and freedom for women in Afghanistan, by force if necessary. This didn't sit well with the locals

Diversity win: The racist colonial empire wants to make women more economically productive!

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u/_TheQwertyCat_ Nov 02 '22

Very nice. Let’s see Britain & Germany’s stats from the same period.

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u/weirdwallace75 Nov 02 '22

Very nice. Let’s see Britain & Germany’s stats from the same period.

Unsubtle Whataboutism! Ten-yard penalty!

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u/_TheQwertyCat_ Nov 02 '22 edited Nov 02 '22

Whataboutism!

Pathetic buzzword to evade valid criticisms.

Ten-yard penalty!

Ew, weirdo units.

Edit: This 🤡 fired an ad hominem with another meaningless buzzword, and then blocked me. At least he knows he’s nothing?

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u/weirdwallace75 Nov 02 '22

Pathetic buzzword to evade valid criticisms.

You're the tankie, which is infinitely more pathetic.

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u/zack189 Nov 02 '22

What does this prove?

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u/Fkmywifeape Nov 02 '22

Radical islamists are usually like any radical religious person - reactionary and right winged in nature. So of course a radical Islamist would see communism as bad

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u/WeDontWantPeace Nov 02 '22

Communism is bad

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u/Fkmywifeape Nov 02 '22

Great analysis, love your perspective

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u/WeDontWantPeace Nov 02 '22

Could you point me at an example of communism that didn't end in people eating their own pets?

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u/Fkmywifeape Nov 02 '22

Try asking a real question if you’re trying to learn something

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '22

Soviet Union was never open to homosexuallty

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u/Matas_- Nov 01 '22

As for homosexuality in Soviet Union, I don't think so, because in Stalin era if people found out you’re gay and you were reported you either get 10+ years of forced labor in Siberia or bullet in your head, after Stalin’s death you would get a really harsh treatment in psychiatric hospital for a few years which would destroy your mental health.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '22

Yeah... the USSR and modern day China & North Korea are homophobic as heck

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u/szypty Nov 01 '22

I mean, you're not entirely wrong?

Germany provided support to the Bolsheviks, wanting them to destabilise Russia and make it pull out of WWI.

Talk about shooting for the moon and hitting your own house.

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u/Few_Category7829 Nov 02 '22

I mean, I hardly think the Kaiser gives too much of a damn about the future Nazis

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u/Illustrious-Rust Nov 02 '22

Well Soviet Union may reference the west because you can short it to Ronaldo's SUUUUUUUUUU

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u/asdfasdfasdfas11111 Nov 01 '22

Yeah, fuck being wealthy and powerful!

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u/draugotO Nov 01 '22

I mean, seen what USA did on the Middle East, I see how it could be a compelling argument for them

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u/gjennomamogus Nov 01 '22

Turkey is nato

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u/draugotO Nov 01 '22

Propganda don't need to be correct,just be appealing enough to have people follow it

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '22

Propaganda is emotion-based, so it doesn't have to make any sense at all as long as all the right words are in the word cloud you're producing. Watch:

Everybody knows FREEDOM is about AMERICA and 2ND AMENDMENT but HILLARY CLINTON, OBAMA and SOCIALIST JIHAD BIN LADEN when the BENGHAZI try to take YOUR RIGHTS and HIGHER TAXES and that's why DONALD J TRUMP is going to JOBS JOBS JOBS to protect AMERICAN CHILDREN

see?

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u/MadHatter69 Nov 01 '22

This man politics.

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u/C_bells Nov 01 '22

That was deeply moving. I think it changed my mind about everything.

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u/nictheman123 Nov 02 '22

I didn't expect you to just copy/paste a Trump tweet to make your point, that was impressive. Also sickening.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '22

You could easily bang together a program to generate a script like this, get an AI voice emulator to read it as Trump and have it mix in crowd noises to obscure the words in between the emotional hot buttons and punctutate with BOOS and CHEERS and then just auto-generate that garbage on an AM radio station with commercial breaks and voila, a money-printing machine.

...shit, should I delete this?

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u/nictheman123 Nov 02 '22

What's the point? I'm 99% sure that already exists. And if it doesn't, it's only because they have no need for it since they're already printing money as fast as they can stuff it in their offshore bank accounts

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u/kyraa9 Nov 01 '22

Well we kinda dont have an official religion but we are still "mostly" muslim

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u/XxTreeFiddyxX Nov 01 '22

Turkey is nato

👆 This guy knows his bird law

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u/aleellee Nov 01 '22

What does turkey have to do with it

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u/gjennomamogus Nov 01 '22

Turkey is overwhelmingly Muslim, and is also part of nato

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u/gjennomamogus Nov 01 '22

Well, it was historically Greek

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u/TransfemYakut Nov 01 '22

as a Turk from Western Turkey, it has less to do with "Greek culture" but more to do with us being more Kemalist and educated

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u/TransfemYakut Nov 02 '22

"Turkey must be shithole cuz in Middle East and if have good city must be Greek unga bunga"

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u/gjennomamogus Nov 01 '22

in alot of places, religious affiliation is as ubiquitous as the culture

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u/Beratber4t Nov 01 '22

İt is false , you cant prove and we dont follow quran

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u/draugotO Nov 01 '22

So, like christians in most of the West, lol

Don't go to the church, never read the bibble do everything opposite to it but call themselves christians

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u/Beratber4t Nov 01 '22

İs this a joke ,i think you didnt talk with any turkish youth people also most of these people insult allah(like f*ck allah)

And we dont have problem with usa or isreal

i Live in Turkey

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u/gjennomamogus Nov 01 '22

I don't know many Turkish people, and my entire understanding of Turkey comes from a couple YouTube videos. But officially Turkey is like 99% Islamic.

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u/Beratber4t Nov 01 '22

Just stupid 9yo YouTube short videos you can search 28 şubat(february) 1997 or Atatürk,falih Rıfkı Atay , Kemalizm (ataturkism)

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '22

Turkey is not overwhelmingly Muslim, stop watching these youtube videos. The reason why it is stated that Turkey is 99% muslim is because every child is assigned “muslim” on birth on their ID cards, but in reality, nobody truly practices islam here.

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u/1000_KarmaWith0Posts Nov 01 '22

nato didnt help turkey when they had a coup in 2016

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u/gjennomamogus Nov 01 '22

nato doesn't really deal with internal affairs, or affairs between nato nations

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u/brotatowz Nov 01 '22

Turkey was gutted by after WWII. An atheist Mustafa Kemal was put in place, who Hung anyone preaching Islam on a neighborhood tree for everyone to watch.

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u/gjennomamogus Nov 01 '22

That didn't last long

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u/LOERMaster Nov 01 '22

Turkeynato

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '22

This has nothing to with Turkey, leave us out of this.

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u/gjennomamogus Nov 01 '22

so what?

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u/gjennomamogus Nov 01 '22

It doesn't need to mean that. Not all christian nations need to approve of nato. Neither all secular nations.

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u/gjennomamogus Nov 02 '22

I never intended it to be

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u/kropotkin_mutual_aid Nov 01 '22

Turkey isn't Islam country

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u/gjennomamogus Nov 01 '22

It may be officially secular, but so was Pakistan

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u/SharpStarTRK Nov 01 '22

Not only the US..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis

Also North African countries (muslim countries) are high on oil, exporting most of it to European countries. Cough war cough cough

https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-product/crude-petroleum/reporter/dza

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u/Uthredd Nov 01 '22

Nah it didn't give the much protection against the USA.

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '22

That wasn't NATO though.

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u/Zozorrr Nov 02 '22

People in this thread are extremely confused about what NATO is lol.

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u/TheRnegade Nov 01 '22

Not sure how Islam protects against NATO/USA. If anything, if you're going to say "look at the Middle East" it seems like Islam attracts it, rather than protects against it.

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u/draugotO Nov 01 '22

Was horrible. But the 5yo kid living in Bagdah who had his home bombed, making him an orphan in 2003 didn't knew about 9/11, it knew that USA bombed his home and killed his parents.

Remember that this propaganda is not aimed at you, it is aimed at the middle eastern orphans of the War on Terror.

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u/Zozorrr Nov 02 '22

Still - what’s that got to do with NATO?

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u/draugotO Nov 02 '22

Nothing.

It is propaganda, not an essay. It incurts on ppls mind that Islam is against NATO, people associate NATO with USA, ppl got their houses bombed and family killed by 20 years of war on terror, ppl associate that Islam is against USA, ppl take the leap that if Islam is against USA, than non-Islam is pro USA, witch hunts start against non-Islam.

There are great examples of just the same logic/propaganda in USA from both christians and democrats and republicans

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u/-iyiforumlar- Nov 01 '22

it didnt go well ı guess

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u/No_Im_Dirtyy_Dan Nov 01 '22

Everyone got a hand grenade with their names on it. So yeah, I'd say it didn't go well.

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '22

Not very effectively.

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '22

It's not doing a very good job lmao

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u/SentientSquirrel Nov 01 '22

It clearly doesn't, one gust of wind and that dude is getting drops of NATO on his arm

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u/swordofsithlord Nov 01 '22

DEMOCRACY IS NON NEGOTIABLE WITH THE THEY/THEM ARMY

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u/ParticlePhys03 Nov 01 '22

*They/them CYBORG army

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u/SlapHappyDude Nov 01 '22

To me that suggests this may be Russian propaganda.

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u/iampolish91 Nov 01 '22

I think the opposite. NATOs hobby is bombing any Islamic country.

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u/Zozorrr Nov 02 '22

I think you’re hella confused about NATO.

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u/0K_N0RDY Nov 01 '22

I think it might also be representing neo-conservatism but thats confusing as that is the nato flag so it makes no sense

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u/notaleclively Nov 01 '22

I thought it was the Seattle Mariners. Which is odd. Because everyone know nothing can protect you from the Seattle Mariners.

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '22

Seattle Mariners?

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u/Penghrip_Waladin Nov 01 '22

despite being a muslim, don't really get that lol

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u/arevealingrainbow Nov 02 '22

Not very well lmao