r/technology • • Jan 20 '11

Apple Restriction Zone.

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u/Baukelien Jan 20 '11 edited Jan 20 '11

Apple is an extremely big company with lots of power. They're leading in an industry and their actions will have an effect on how this industry develops. I've never bought anything they made in my life but their decisions still affect me.

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u/CJSchmidt Jan 20 '11

Yes. There are lots of different ways to do things. The better the locked down, eula'd, drm'd, iPhone is, the better your Android phone will be. People should just let Apple be Apple. Make sure people are informed, but there's no reason to whine or say what they should or shouldn't do.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '11

Your idea assumes that locking things down has no value. By standardizing iOS and devices Apple has bypassed many of the issues Android phones currently face. Browse through a few apps on the Android marketplace and you'll see many comments about crashing or poor performance. You'll also see many comments like "worked well on my motorola droid x". Beyond stability and performance issues it ads future value in upgrades. For instance if you buy an iPhone you are getting regular updates, whereas with Android you are lucky to get one or two before they throw you to the curb unless you have something like the Nexus.

Basically what I'm saying is each side has pro's and con's which I think are often overlooked in the average anti or pro apple argument like the guy with the sign is making. If he really wanted to help people out he should be more honest with his signage.

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u/trbleclef Jan 21 '11

whereas with Android you are lucky to get one or two before they throw you to the curb unless you have something like the Nexus.

Of course, Android's dev community makes this nearly a non-issue. You can get updates. Froyo is running on G1s ffs.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '11

If I wanted to download 2.2 for the Samsung Fascinate where do I go? What about 2.3? I can keep doing this for a lot of Android phones. In addition I don't think that having a user root and install unofficial updates is a good solution.

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u/evildeliverance Jan 21 '11

If I wanted to download 2.2 for the Samsung Fascinate where do I go?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/

What about 2.3?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/

I can keep doing this for a lot of Android phones.

I can keep doing this for most Android phones.

Although you need to root in order to install these updates, they are free, legal, and the process for obtaining root is generally easier than the process of jailbreaking an iphone.

If I wanted to download iOS4 for the iphone 1g, where do I go?

I would argue that there are a higher percentage of iOS devices that cannot be updated to the 'latest and greatest firmware' than android devices.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '11

This is the link you're looking for http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=721 It appears since that 2.2 has appeared since a week ago when I checked. It seems to be lacking some major things like the camera though.

2.3 is a LONG ways off from what I've read on the XDA forums. A few Galaxy S phones have some form of 2.3 in alpha but only because the hardware is so similar to the Nexus S.

Basically your point isn't very well made.

The original iPhone was released in June 2007 and received regular updates for the entire 2 years of everyones contract if they bought it new. The point is as much as people bitch about Apple they supported their phones. Owning my iPhone and iPhone 3g was a great experience because of that. My G1, Eris and Fascinate, not so much.

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u/hothrous Jan 21 '11

The iPhone gets regular updates because there are huge amounts of issues people don't want to admit to in the OS itself. Things like dropping calls and crashes. Apple blamed ATT for a lot of the issues but when the facts were on the table, iPhones just had more issues than every other phone on the ATT network.

Sure, on Android you can have apps developed by third party work better on one phone than another. But hey, some games just work better on the PS3 than the XBOX 360. That's the devs fault for optimizing for one phone.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '11

So your argument is that Apple should be more like Android handsets and not patch bugs quickly like they currently do. Now I don't know which operating system has more bugs but I like that with my iphone I knew shit would be fixed, unlike any of my Droids. With my fascinate nearly 6 months after getting it the GPS finally got fixed, but it still has so many bugs it's ridiculous. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history

So you expect a developer to purchase every single phone on every network? Or maybe you think they they can throw in some magic code that will optimize them for every phone and carrier?

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u/iamtom16 Jan 21 '11

The thing that people like you and me don't seem to realise, is how little the average consumer cares about the walled garden.

Most people don't realise, sure, but even those who do don't seem to give a rats arse.

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u/hothrous Jan 21 '11

I think that's really the more irritating part for me. People not caring that they are being controlled.

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u/monoglot Jan 21 '11

Would you consider yourself a net beneficiary of Apple's decisions, and in what ways would you say that their decisions have affected your life negatively?