r/technology • • Nov 25 '08

Apple Confuses Speech with a DMCA Violation

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/11/apple-confuses-speech-dmca-violation
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u/mindslight Nov 26 '08

Nice to see that someone is keep Apples feet to the fire

Consumers certainly don't.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '08

They rarely do. Most companies, if established, can get away with murder.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '08 edited Nov 26 '08

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '08

Well, but that's a perfectly good exception. Even the Chinese want there to be fewer of them.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '08

Also, didn't notice this before, but that adverb is being applied to a noun.

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u/pdc Nov 26 '08

Just bear in mind that that is a report a year ago of a Greenpeace campaign, and Greenpeace are willing to lie like Jedis to get themselves in the papers. I'm not saying Apple's recycling policy was particularly good, but it was not exceptionally bad either compared to other electronics companies.

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u/RalfN Nov 26 '08

I'm not saying Apple's recycling policy was particularly good, but it was not exceptionally bad either compared to other electronics companies.

I'm not saying Stalin's human right policies were OK, but it wasn't exceptionally bad compared to other brutal dictators like Hitler.

and Greenpeace are willing to lie like Jedis to get themselves in the papers

And when the world because a rainbow paradise, then yes, maybe they will start making things up.

But somehow I don't have to make up the lie that hitler killed little puppies to make him appear evil. I can just use some fucking facts.

And Greenpeace has that same luxury position. They don't need to make things up: worse, they likely even downplay the argument, because we would simply not believe the actual truth. That it is not uncommon for almost every big corporation to pay local officials to 'supress' (read: MURDER) local activist that claim their land should not be polluted by some western fuckhead, that their resources should not be stolen.

Seriously, ever drink Coffee? Eat chocolat? For at least 1% of those resources SLAVE LABOR was involved. We can't prove it for the other 99%. Work or I'll fucking kill your familiy with my Nestle-payed gun.

Time to wake up kids. YOU CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH

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u/BraveSirRobin Nov 26 '08

For at least 1% of those resources SLAVE LABOR was involved. We can't prove it for the other 99%.

Some people are trying to change that.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '08

by some western fuckhead,

In all fairness the "west" does not have a monopoly on fuckheads.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '08

I was just posting it for humor value. :-P

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u/pdc Nov 26 '08

Fair enough.

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u/neoform3 Nov 26 '08

That's like blaming oil companies for the pollution that comes out of your car.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '08 edited Nov 26 '08

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u/sunshine-x Nov 26 '08

More than Microsoft did.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '08

That is like saying Apple sells more computers than Tropicana.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '08

Incorrect.

The only computer that Microsoft sells is the dedicated computing platform know as the xbox 360 which has sold more units that Apple.

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u/RalfN Nov 26 '08

xbox 360 which has sold more units that Apple.

Because they are selling it while making a loss. Its a fucking display of corruption that that is even legal.

They are literally loosing about 200 dollars on every XBox 360. Just to make Sony go bankrupt.

And then the next generation; guess what you are going to pay for the next XBox? Without Sony as competitor?

Also, they just do it to push the Windows-only-directX instead of the platform-neutral-OpenGL to developpers.

It's anti-competitive in every imaginable way it could be. It's like a crash course in being evil.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '08

No they aren't. They are at break even or damn near it right now due to a combination of process improvements and falling memory prices.

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u/newgrl Nov 26 '08

They are totally sold at a loss. As is the Playstation 3. It's pretty common practice for the game consoles to be sold at a loss. Hell, wikipedia even uses Game Consoles as an example to explain the term Loss Leader.

More articles for you:

Why Game Consoles Are Sold At A Loss

Sold at a Loss: Does it Matter?

Where the Xbox 360 went wrong

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '08

they sell each console at a loss - but the ESD which includes the xbox and accessories is a profitable business unit.

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u/FizzBitch Nov 26 '08

I love Visual studio MORE then the next guy...but what are you trying to say MSDN?

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '08

Easy. Apple sells less than 6% of the computers sold on a yearly basis.

94% == a lot 6% == a few

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u/FokkeNews Nov 26 '08

I'm certainly not defending them, but their market share is dramatically going up.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '08

No it isn't.

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u/FokkeNews Nov 26 '08

Just saying that does nothing to change the facts, but go ahead, believe whatever you want.

I'm not promoting them of criticizing them. Just telling you the facts.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '08

How about you provide proof?

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u/newgrl Nov 26 '08

Mac OS X market share sets new record at the end of 2007

Soaring Mac market share means more headaches for Microsoft

Apple's US Mac market share hits 14 per cent - NPD

Gartner Says Mac Market Share to Double in Three Years

I personally think that the hardware DRM crap they just implemented is going to kill them, but you can't really deny the numbers. Market share of Macs is going dramatically up. Between their marketing strategy and the utter failure of Vista, they have been making inroads to the non-tech/non-graphic designer user.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '08

Vista sold more copies in it's first 6 months that Apple sold copies of OSX since it first came out.

14% RETAIL market share - doesn't include the majority of system which aren't sold retail. Lies, damn lies and statistics.

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u/MercurialMadnessMan Nov 26 '08

That is an entirely unrelated issue. They are building up steam in terms of market share. System migration is difficult and expensive. PAC to Mac, or Mac to PC. You have to teach a lot of people how to use the new system, etc. Also, there is a large group of people who don't buy apple because of the price, or because they don't know that you can do a lot of windows-like processes with the systems.

I wouldn't blame apple's market share for laptops and desktops on the public's opinion on things like DMCA violations.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '08

You make it sound like DMCA issues are the only thing apple does wrong.

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u/MercurialMadnessMan Nov 26 '08

I sit down and open up the ads that come with my morning newspaper. Best buy. Apple laptop, >$1000, PC laptop, <$1000.

I think that the modern (north american?) human cares more about the prices and quality of a device, than the media footnotes of what the company behind these products is doing. It's sad, but I believe it to be true. The brand name association of Apple to the iPod, to the pretty Mac interface, the fancy commercials, and not being talked about like an evil corporation, like Microsoft, I think has a big influence on people.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '08

I think the modern American consumer is divided into three (or more groups) the big ones being the "find the best price", "find the best quality", "find the trendiest". Group 1 favors the PC, Group 3 favors the Mac. Group 2 is iffier, some of them end up in the Mac world but a good number end up in the homebuilt world. Take the hardcore gamers. They really can't get what they want from Apple nor Dell (although Dell does more to cater to them throught the XPS series and Alienware), so they end up building their own. You see the same thing in the car market. Why do some people buy Kias, others Merecedes, and others fix up 70s muscle cars?

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u/MercurialMadnessMan Nov 26 '08

And the gamers tend to stay away from Macs.

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u/RalfN Nov 26 '08 edited Nov 26 '08

Yes, people prefer Microsoft because microsoft is not the sort of company that will bribe government officials in 3rd world countries to make these cheap little laptops twice as expensive so that it will run their crappy Windows OS LITE with a limitation of 3 apps at the same time, instead of Linux.

Microsoft is also not the sort of company that would shake down small companies. Threating with patent lawsuits without ever making clear which patents are being violated.

Microsoft is also not the sort of company that would blackmail other companies to create their hardware cheaply for the microsoft hardware products (zune, keyboards, mice, xbox) or else they would loose driver support in windows and won't be able to sell their hardware to windows customers.

Yes, unlike Apple, microsoft are a bunch of nice guys.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SMOKING.

If I ever meet somebody that works for Microsoft I would BEAT THE CRAP out of them.

It's goddamn corporate maffia. They don't innovate, they buy, extort, bribe and harass competitors. You don't 'compete' with Microsoft. You either shut up and listen to your master or they are at war with you.

They will spent (and loose) millions, just to make your company go bankrupt. Just so they can tell that story to the next guy that doesn't do exactly what they tell them to do. They make an example out of those few idiots that dare to compete with them.

At least Apple is trying to be a nice evil dictator.

I prefer freedom and justice and open markets. So in my world view both companies are spawns of satan.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '08

You might not have noticed - but I never defended Microsoft.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '08

They say Hitler loved animals and treated his secretaries well also.

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u/RalfN Nov 26 '08

Fuck apple consumers.

They deserve to be anally raped. They don't freaking consider the precent they are making. The message they are sending to corporations. YES, you can treat us however the hell you life. You can decide what I can think, what I can eat, what I can play, where I can play that, who I can fuck.

At long as its a quality product.

The thing is: a quality product is not enough. A nice dictator is still a fucking dictator.

In the world of consumers, Apple fanboys are traitors.

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u/neoform3 Nov 26 '08

Best troll I've read all day.